Main Disc. Thread - Emperor ZP v1

[Sage_Ninjistic]

@Simon

@Invictus

it’s hard to differentiate when both of them share a lot of their objectives

That is the part I don’t like about Objectives.

The mechanism differences between titles needs to be understood.

Else … Khan, Stark, and Emperor will all look the same.

Old descriptions that tell a metaphorical story are actually better.
At least for me.

I love the updated objectives.

With that being said, I agree with you very, very much on the mentioned alpha titles - especially EMPEROR and Khan, but also Mogul/Ascended Mogul - potentially looking very similar on paper(-edit: just realized i didn’t finish the thought earlier smh: looking similar on paper, to the casual viewer, with the way the new objectives have been written out, if some objectives are repeated uniformally across several titles.

Edit: It’s cool going back and reading titles on the Main Store in the order I remember them being released and seeing the changes in how the Bois flesh out their creation’s description. Emperor is still one of my very favorites, Wanted being the next up I think.

[Invictus]

@Simon

That is the part I don’t like about the current Objectives.

This is the reason I thought some of Chosen’s scripting is in EmpZP because of the “positive leadership” objective.
I know it’s executed in a much different way, but I know that Saint cares a lot about the new lurkers and beginners, which is probably why he kept it somewhat “simple”.

However, the passage before the objectives, always helps.

Also regarding this

@Simon

You used Wanted and EF Qv2 … then …
You were among the first ones to get Wanted ZP … and now …
You’re running the earliest preview version of ANY EF ZP script that’s become available.

I realize I’ve kinda been ungrateful for everything I gained so far, it might not sound like much, but I started WANTED in may, at 67kg, now it’s only been 9 months since then and I’m already 73-74kgs, that’s 6 to 7kg muscle, while also going from like 13-14% bodyfat to now 10%.

So yeah, subclub’s body enhancement tech rivals some of the most hardcore PED cycles, but I guess my impatience and body dysmorphia made me a bit too ungrateful

[Pyro]

@Simon

That is the part I don’t like about the current Objectives.

The mechanism/pathway difference between titles needs to be understood.

Else … Khan, Stark, Emperor, and Ascended Mogul will all look the same.

Old descriptions that tell a metaphorical story are actually better.
At least for me.

I just wanted Emperor to have an archetypal one, instead of the old modular bullet points one.

Hard disagree. The new objectives are why I chose to stick with Emperor. These give a much more clear picture of what you are buying rather than an overall archetype especially with ZP molding with your personality and essence. The overall picture is good but the objectives complete the picture.

It’s a lot easier to consciously guide the subliminal with the objectives as well.

I have made leaps and bounds on my inner mind with Emperor ZP and wouldn’t have stuck to it without the objectives.

[LikeADrug]

Totally, the descriptions on paper make choosing extremely difficult

[Azriel]

Is this actually true/ where was this said confirmed?

[MadaraUchiha]

@LikeADrug

Totally, the descriptions on paper make choosing extremely difficult

i agree this is proabbly my biggest problem with subliminalclub from the start.

there is way too many products that do not have a clear difference.

limitless,beyond limitless,quantum limitless and limitless executive being probably the best example.

but not a big deal; i just buy and try and see what happens and still happy so far i discovered subliminals.

i think i have bought 17-20 products so far and overall no regrets.

[Billions]

@mecharc

Sexual healing is priority issue for me

Planning to upgrade my custom with Diamond, Sex Mastery and Paragon, once ZP is out for customs.

Sex isnt just physical and therefore sexual healing isn’t just physical healing.

It’s a very emotion driven process. I can attest that having PE, the biggest solution for me is to be with a partner I trust, proving that if my emotions aren’t in line, if I feel any sort of Fight Or Flight response in my body, I won’t be sexually “healthy.”

So a sexual healing stack would probably include Chosen From Within because it has Love Bomb and Chosen for the positivity, and Regeneration to heal the emotional side of sexual trauma.

Pretty sure SMX has Diamond in it now… not totally sure… but even running a 2-Title Stack of SMX + CFW could be really good.

A third “emotional/sexual” healing title would probably be Wanted. Not only is there emotional and self-esteem assistance in wanted, but there’s even some physical shifting.

Chosen, Wanted, Regen/Elixir/Rebirth/DR, Love Bomb, Even Heartsong would all heal the emotional aspect

And so on top of physical healing, there’s some emotional healing that can be done multiple different ways as well

[SaintSovereign]

@Simon

The mechanism/pathway difference between titles needs to be understood.

Else … Khan, Stark, Emperor, and Ascended Mogul will all look the same.

No, they won’t. Stark is vastly different than Emperor. It doesn’t have nearly the emphasis on sex that the latter does, thus a lot of the bulletpoints listed on Emperor’s page won’t be on Stark’s. Likewise, Stark has a huge emphasis on fame and social status, which isn’t in Emperor. Those auras and features won’t be on that page. AscMogul will contain all the bulletpoints from Ascended and Mogul, since… well, it’s pretty obvious what AscMogul is from the title.

[SaintSovereign]

@LikeADrug

Totally, the descriptions on paper make choosing extremely difficult

@MadaraUchiha

limitless,beyond limitless,quantum limitless and limitless executive being probably the best example.

Ya’ll want us to try and fix a problem that we can’t – your own indecisiveness and ability to look inward and determine what you really want to work on. The difference between the programs that @MadaraUchiha listed is very much obvious.

• Limitless: Cognitive enhancement in a nice single stage package.
• Quantum Limitless: Cognitive enhancement, same as Limitless, but since there’s four stages, we can include A LOT more scripting to help achieve that goal. Four stagers are for those who want to dig deeper into an issue and get better results.
• Beyond Limitless: Originally designed as a booster, since the Qv2 listening guidelines allowed you to toss in an Ultima from time to time to get a needed booster. Right on the page, we say to use it on days when you need to study, or you have a test, etc.
• Limitless Executive: It’s Beyond Limitless and The Executive. Executive is general productivity enhancement, but when combined with Limitless, now you get those short-term cognitive boosts.

This is not confusing. What you’re confused about is which tool you actually need to use. I don’t know how we can answer that for you – we’re slowly adding the objectives to the pages, and now people are claiming that the objectives makes them even more confused?

[SaintSovereign]

• Ascension: Alpha title, heavy emphasis on internal value and strength
• Ascended Mogul: Ascension + Mogul. For those who want more alpha scripting than what’s in Mogul but less than Emperor’s aggressive alpha vibe.
• Emperor: A more comprehensive alpha and empire building program that hits deeper. Look at the module lists for the Q versions of Ascension vs. Emperor. Emperor is MUCH more comprehensive. This is still true with the ZP version.
• Khan: An even more comprehensive alpha program, as it’s four stages, thus we can include even more scripting, as well as “step up” the scripting in power as you progress along the program.
• Stark ZP: Alpha and empire building, with an emphasis on innovation, fame and achieving celebrity status

[SaintSovereign]

@Billions

Pretty sure SMX has Diamond in it now… not totally sure… but even running a 2-Title Stack of SMX + CFW could be really good.

Naw. Different outcome. There as overlapping elements, yes. Different scripts, though.

[Billions]

Got it! Makes sense.

[SaintSovereign]

@Billions

So a sexual healing stack would probably include Chosen From Within because it has Love Bomb and Chosen for the positivity, and Regeneration to heal the emotional side of sexual trauma.

@mecharc

Try Diamond ZP for 2-3 weeks. I think you’ll like the outcome. No porn, though. Try to resist.

@Billions

This is a good stack, though, if all else fails.

[Sinusoid]

I like the objectives. I thought you did a great job on the Emperor objectives. I look forward to the list for Stark, Love Bomb, and others.

[infinite]

@SaintSovereign

we’re slowly adding the objectives to the pages, and now people are claiming that the objectives makes them even more confused?

please keep the objectives coming - I think you did a great job on the ones you already added. helps a lot deciding which sub to go for!

@SaintSovereign

• Ascension: Alpha title, heavy emphasis on internal value and strength
• Ascended Mogul: Ascension + Mogul. For those who want more alpha scripting than what’s in Mogul but less than Emperor’s aggressive alpha vibe.
• Emperor: A more comprehensive alpha and empire building program that hits deeper. Look at the module lists for the Q versions of Ascension vs. Emperor. Emperor is MUCH more comprehensive. This is still true with the ZP version.
• Khan: An even more comprehensive alpha program, as it’s four stages, thus we can include even more scripting, as well as “step up” the scripting in power as you progress along the program.
• Stark ZP: Alpha and empire building, with an emphasis on innovation, fame and achieving celebrity status

I also like this kind of bullet point overview you made here. I think these kind of short descriptions will help all people who are new to SC a lot. much easier to scan this through than going through the shop and reading through all the descriptions.

[LikeADrug]

Well, let me put it this way. The descriptions don’t help me in making an argument against people on this forum who say you absolutely must use A or B… You are right in saying to look inward and decide but a lot of others don’t act as such.

[SaintSovereign]

@LikeADrug

Well, let me put it this way. The descriptions don’t help me in making an argument against people on this forum who say you absolutely must use A or B… You are right in saying to look inward and decide but a lot of others don’t act as such.

Yes, I can understand where you’re coming from, but that’s exactly what I mean about going inward. Others will give their opinions, and it’s always smart to hear them out, but only you can decide what you really need.

I have colleagues that thought I was crazy for running Chosen From Within (a healing experimental sub) to unlock my creativity, but because I engage in such deep introspection on a daily level, I knew I needed to create it and use it.

That being said, we will look into options to make things easier to understand. Maybe a comparison table.

[MadaraUchiha]

@SaintSovereign

Ya’ll want us to try and fix a problem that we can’t – your own indecisiveness and ability to look inward and determine what you really want to work on. The difference between the programs that @MadaraUchiha listed is very much obvious.

• Limitless: Cognitive enhancement in a nice single stage package.
• Quantum Limitless: Cognitive enhancement, same as Limitless, but since there’s four stages, we can include A LOT more scripting to help achieve that goal. Four stagers are for those who want to dig deeper into an issue and get better results.
• Beyond Limitless: Originally designed as a booster, since the Qv2 listening guidelines allowed you to toss in an Ultima from time to time to get a needed booster. Right on the page, we say to use it on days when you need to study, or you have a test, etc.
• Limitless Executive: It’s Beyond Limitless and The Executive. Executive is general productivity enhancement, but when combined with Limitless, now you get those short-term cognitive boosts.

This is not confusing. What you’re confused about is which tool you actually need to use. I don’t know how we can answer that for you – we’re slowly adding the objectives to the pages, and now people are claiming that the objectives makes them even more confused?

I completely disagree.

I have from day 1 and to this day remain very confused by most of the product descriptions.

maybe its my fault but im an exceptionally smart person with tangible achievements that prove this.

I was placed in a special program at age 12 where i did grade 6 in 5 months instead of 10 months like most kids, i had 6 figures in earnings as a teenager and now already have millions in career earnings while still in my 20s.

By any tangible measure of intelligence i have always been and remain exceptionally smart.

so if someone like me is confused I’m sure a lot of other people are as well.

again, my solution to this confusion has been to just buy products and see what happens and im happy with my experience overall so far.

but i remain firmly in my opinion that the descriptions for several products are written in a way that create a lot of confusion.

[Malkuth]

@MadaraUchiha

maybe its my fault but im an exceptionally smart person with tangible achievements that prove this.

This may actually be what’s causing your difficulty.

Your analytical imagination and intellect may be flexible enough to generate multiple plausible descriptions and mechanisms for each program.

At the same time your intuitive, emotional intelligence may currently be too rigid and anxious to let you feel comfortable trusting and sticking with one ‘most likely’ interpretation.

As a result, you may keep flying from one ‘possible’ interpretation to another.

[SaintSovereign]

Is English your second language? Do you primarily speak in another language? If so, which one? Also, those of you who finds the descriptions confusing can also answer.