Alright Whats Happening?

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#1

yo :slight_smile:
some might remember me here ive been a member from 2021 bought
about 5-6 subs including a Q custom then Quit using any since it had a negative impact on me

i quit like back in 2022 maybe in summer, cause subs made me feel lethargic to music and to lots of stuff that inspires me, which is a huge red flag cuz thats the only thing making me sane in this world

i used my Q Custom in ZP that has 2 cores (10 modules in total):
Stark Q
Ascension Q

and paired it with RM ZP for about 4-5 months, and never found any tangible results

was doing the recommended listening pattern every other day one play of each

and never found tangible results, which was really disappointing cause ive remember using ascension Qv2 before a long while ago and it helped me a bit and found a bit of results from it, and ive tried Stark Qv2 back in 2021 too and ive found insane social results

but again these lasted just like a week or 2 then boof, all gone

also a huge thing ive noticed that everytime im playing subs at bed, ( my usual way of listening to subs is to play them when im asleep for better programing) i wake up super tired and could never get enough sleep, and once i quit i felt better

im kinda sad shit is not working for some reason and it honestly bothering cause i used to have huge hopes on these products, ive recommended them to friends, my mum, my sister, everyone that matters to me

so i came back here again after a long while to ask, maybe some things changed? maybe there was errors or problems with pervious tech? idk i started doubting that subs even work and that i was delusional,

important to note that i was not getting overexposure as i was following every recommended pattern on here one play of each subs every other day, and did washouts as recommended

so whats up? anything new? any new notes? any new insights?

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#2

i genuinely liked the subs but man, making me feel lethargic to art and to music and to things that brings me joy in this life was one of the main reasons if not the reason to quit cuz i didnt mind if the subs wont work till some years, but man this shit is only thing keeping me sane

also the lack of quality of sleep is a huge thing

so share what u think

#3

that is one of the symptoms of overload which can lead to stonewalling.
reduce exposure and take washouts if necessary.

was ZP around back then? did you listen to ZP subs all night long on repeat?

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#4

Welcome back!

You up to date on the new version of ZP?

LBFH, primal, primal seduction, Emperor, QL, and Aimbot are all updated. Power Can Corrupt was enhanced to become Emperor: The Will To Power, and Rebirth was MASSIVELY upgraded and rebranded as Phoenix.

#5

Agreed. One thing that’s changed is how much people have fully adopted the “microloop” strategy and no longer listen to the maximum allowable “recommendations.” The forum as a whole has gotten better at becoming attuned to and avoiding overload.

And if it’s been since 2022 that you’ve been gone, you probably haven’t kept up with the revelation series of subliminals, and Khan Black, which are some of the most profound subs on the store now.

#6

yeah it was up back then, it was ZPv2 even

no just one play of each title ( 1x custom 1x RM ) my custom had Stark Q core, and Ascension Core

and 1 play of each

#7

yeah if u mean Zpv2? yes it the ones i listened to for quite a while

was using RM ZP and my custom which was in ZP too,

#8

Revelation of spirit has the opposite effect, brings life to music and the joy of living.

#9

No, I mean the NEW new ZPv2

Another upgrade has happened called ZPv2MAX, and on top of that there is now the New Subliminal Experience. All the upgraded subs (mentioned above) are both rebuilt in Zpv2max and have the New Subliminal Ezperience added

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#10

can you explain? i have no idea what that approach is, im willing to give subs a chance again, cuz i firmly believe that changing the subconscious is truly the way and it would make it easier for change in ones life, i was listening to the whole 15 min loops btw of each title

dont know what that is, but the quite honest with you, i really dont wanna buy anything more i think ive got enough products that are indeed for my goals such as my custom which has ascension and stark as powerful cores

and RM which is perfect too for my goals

i had this approach which is, if ascension and stark are not working for me i wouldnt bother to try go into this loop of buying new titles, cuz those are major programs and should cover lots of stuff and they should be powerful on their own

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#11

that’s relieving to hear.
like ouroboros said, try microlooping them. start with 1m or even 30s for each sub and build up the exposure over time. Microlooping has fixed many of my problems, recons, overload, etc with subs.

take more rest days if you need to

#12

thanks for the recommendation i appreciate it , but i was already feeling the joy of music before using subs and once i even quit the lethargy has gone and i felt normal again

so i dont think this approach is healthy is to pair another sub for lethargy which is mainly was caused from me using subs in the first place

#13

are those different than the old Zpv2? im kinda confused, cuz i know there was ZP, then Zpv2, ive tried both

what is this? i just went to my downloads and found only ZPv2 for my Renaissance man Sub and other subs that i used to own

and my custom i think is in ZP, not sure if its ZP or ZPv2, it has a solace mask

#14

oh nice :slight_smile: this sounds promising

so instead ill be using them first in the morning when i wake up , just 1m of each title.,but u sure? dont u think this is very short ? or its the way now with community, forgive have been gone for a while

also my custom is in ZP i think regular ZP not ZPv2 so it should work even if its not in the latest tech right?

#15

I’m going to make this a light-hearted, quick and funny post.

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You left because you thought we were “censoring and monitoring”:

Let’s be honest here.

There are reasons why you thought (and are thinking) you had no results. It’s a combination of reconciliation, doubt/skepticism, subconscious structures that need time to be dealt with (you can’t heal a life’s worth of issues in a month), and of course correct listening where you don’t kitchen-sink things together.

For example:

Acid trips, breathwork, “other work”, subliminals…

goddamnsubs

Come on y’all.

Do better, be better.

Focus on the things that really give the most results, don’t skirt the recommendations and don’t kitchen-sink things together in an attempt to make it work faster.

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#16

that’s what i thought about microlooping too.
15m is already ridiculously short, 1m is even more outrageous.
then i tried microlooping out of curiosity.

I used to get insane recon from WB. After 1 cycle of aggressive microlooping, it became easy to run.
I also started Hero: Origins with microloop from the get go. i got big results with as little as 30s.
LBFH used to drain my productivity. when i started microlooping it, the problem goes away without affecting the effects of the sub.
And more.

Now i always use some sort of microlooping in my schedule.

#17

@Budewr

“Alright Whats Happening?” Things happen usually in SubClub, free update as usual. Now things are even better with New Subliminal Experience update.

But are you ready for it? I mean man up and take responsibility for your action.

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#18

cmon man i literally said that ive seen results for a couple of weeks ive never denied that? and my post history shows it? why are you fishing me like that?

and ive used paragon for a while and it helped with my dandruff ive never denied it and post history shows as well,

but then i quit using it and started a new stack after 3 months or something

and my honest issue with results that its very temporary, i feel good the next day i see results for about a week or two, then nothing for quite a while?

i left the forum didnt quit the products , was just lurking and reading to keeping with tech it has nothing to do with politics here and to be frank honest with you i didnt like how it was, just didnt suit me

ive never kitchen sinked, i always made sure that i gave subs at least 2 months then maybe switch a stack, and sometimes a month but rarely did that cuz i knew switching around stacks and playing around is not beneficial

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last time i did acid was in 2019, i was talking about a pervious experience and thats why psychedelics scare me, breathwork helped me a ton to change my life back in 2020 dealing with traumas before knowing this website , it changed my whole perception on life. it literally has nothing to with subs? i never found out about this till mid 2021 ?

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i really was keen for your reply when i saw pfp typing cuz i quite liked ur replies here and u seem like a genuine guy, but i feel like youre fishing me here when i clearly stated that ive found some results in the past but in never lasted that long. why would i recommend to my mother and my sister closest people in my life if im denying any results? obv i recommended it to them cuz ive seen some results and was too excited and happy then told them about it,

and thats one on the reasons i quit the forum, when i ask for help or i complain about not finding the results that i can see and feel tangible and i get “youre kitchen sinking, youre skirting the recommendations” and i hate being gaslit (lol first time using this term not sarcastically)

EDIT : my main issue is ive ran solely my custom and my RM ZP for 3-5 months followed the pattern recommendations did not “skirt anything” and even before micro looping was a thing here, but still i wasnt seeing improvements, and was seeing a huge negative the lethargy thing was getting into me

will start again with micro looping for a month or 2 to see how it goes,

#19

Then come to the forum with correct intentions, properly constructed criticism and an honest overview of your issues.

A blanket statement of “never found tangible results” is wrong and can be directly seen from your previous posts.

You’ve cured a massive health issue with Paragon, and yet your post boils down to “I’ve barely had any results, have you fixed anything?”.

How do you expect anyone to help you with that?

There is absolutely nothing to work with here.

Now, had you stated something along the lines of:

“I’ve had major results with Paragon and some results with Stark, but I’ve been struggling with Emperor and Ascension, and I know that I have some deep internal issues that need to be fixed. I’ve also mixed breathwork and some other practices.”.

Now we are getting somewhere.

Now you can actually get some help and we can actually diagnose the issue.

@Budewr, I’m not going to be sugarcoating the truth to you so that you “don’t feel gaslit”.

I’d rather you feel gaslit and insulted than you going in circles without knowing the issues you are dealing with.

If you want help, be honest with your situation and be ready to receive it.

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#20

hey thanks for taking the time

so i start 1m of each title:
my custom 1m
RM 1m

then off day

then again
1m custom
1m RM

how long should i stick with 1m? maybe ill do 2 months of 1m micrloops maybe it will help

cuz the lethargy is honestly disgusting, and the sleep fatigue is horrible, gosh i dont wanna come across em again

same washout right? after 21 days take 5 days off