I didn’t use microloops till now , but when saintsoverign said its like when you watch a scene from a movie and you get the feeling of the whole movie .
This quote from the movie Arrival describe the situation beautifully
“Despite knowing the journey (because you listened to certain sub enough times that now your mind memorise it ) … and where it leads… I embrace it… and I welcome every moment of it ( you now live your daily life executing the script )
By the way highly recommended to watch 
I have the effects after 10 seconds but never tried to stop there
Maybe I give this a try
I haven’t tried the 30s loop yet. Will I miss out compared to the normal 15min? Could this also mean the 30s are more temporary compared to the full 15min?
It bascially is a theory that the first 30 seconds are enough to kickstart the script into action and still get results.
Make sure you’ve integrated the sub first though
@AlexanderGraves has done lots of experimental reports on microlooping and his reports speak volumes to the power of microloops, which I fully agree with. His major statement in this post is that on microloops, the same-day results are through the charts.
This is in line with SaintSovereign’s statements that ZP Exp. Was originally a prototype for lifechargers aka same-day boosters.
Why the experimental version of subliminals might be better for 30s microloops
What bugs me a lot with these subs is not understanding where the processing power is going on 3 minute loops.
Is it the sheer volume of info? Or decoding the sped up subliminals? Or is it actually going towards actualizing the changes and preparing for action within the mind?
What I’m getting at, is there a point of diminishing returns as far as repetition goes and the burden you place on the mind to process things vs potential usage of it?
I’ll use myself as an example. I’m currently on 3 minute loop once a week. When I listen to that 3 minutes am I reinforcing the sub more? Is there more to sort of spread out during the week and build on? Or is the 3 minutes just creating more of a processing bottleneck to get to the actual script execution that could have been reached quicker with 30s?
This kind of reminds me of database queries and running processes. You want efficiency returning your query with the least amount of processor utilization. 3 minutes would be like running the fully built out dense query and 30s would be like running a process that queries pre-stored data run at an earlier time from that dense query.
But our brains aren’t computers. I don’t know how these subs are built or react within the mind. Common sentiment years ago with subliminals was basically “bang your subconscious over the head with a concept over and over because it’s stupid and eventually it will yield to your demands”. You have to “overwrite”. But I feel like we’re at a point where it’s more about successful communication and negotiation. ZP really has proved itself to take a complete opposite approach to most subs and it shows.
Anyone else wondering about this stuff? lol. I guess I do just because I’m still trying to optimize my input stage with subs. The suggested listening schedules with ZP never agreed with me.
Posted this in the Emperor experimental section and posting here
With this experimental or with microloops in general
Can I run 30 seconds of one sub/ this experimental sub everyday
and 5-15 minutes of my others subs loops every day?
So EmperorX 30 seconds daily
HOM/EOG 5 minutes (same day) every other day
Yeah I’ve made peace with the not understanding
and have trust in my experience with subclub that it doesn’t really matter
AND it ‘drives a part of me crazy’
to not understand the ‘how’ or strategy of it’s implementation.
One because I am someone who wants to know everything!
Two because I think it would create a radical shift of how or why I choose to run what amount of loop/loops
I believe for certain types knowing this would improve results
and due to secrecy it’s not an option.
I don’t understand what amount of the sub actually is the whole script or not. Some subs I never run more than 3 minutes with.
Some questions that come up for me
What creates development over time vs. performance in the moment and is the performance in the moment at the cost of not fully developing over time or not as effective at developing over time as running more of the script or even the full script.
Why is three minutes sufficient and 15 minutes or a full loop overwhelm for some people etc.
Is it due to to much exposure to the same script or the entirety of one script.
When in comes to optimizing my input and strategy with subs some of this info could be useful.
And maybe its not relevant at all. That’s what comes to mind for me about your statement @Fractal_Explorer
I can relate with you on this. I don’t know if its a controlling issue I have or that I’m just skeptical, as long as we don’t stop asking questions.
Yeah those are good questions too.
If I could run the suggested amount of loops with the typical schedule I wouldn’t ask any of these questions. But it’s the very fact I’ve experienced a lot of difficulty at times that leads me to explore alternatives. It’s really out of necessity for me more than curiosity.
I feel like with these subs you need to trust your own intuition, a lot. But I’ve found that intuition isn’t always clear. Like you can get false intuition that tells you to switch your sub or listen more or listen less. After a while it becomes difficult to trust that intuition. So when there isn’t a standard that agrees with you it can sort of leave you making bad decisions.
Just knowing the underlying mechanics of how it all works can help you dissect it more from a logical angle and make better informed decisions.
It’s a mix of control, not knowing, and optimization (dissecting it from a more logical angle to make more informed decisions at @Fractal_Explorer has said) for me
and I’m totally happy letting all that go at the end of the day.
It becomes a different game
Following my instinct and intuition and experiential results
without knowing has its own upside.
We can still enjoy a meal without knowing the ingredients
knowing the ingredients and recipe can totally change the experience of a consumer and
it’s not necessary.
Just getting the maymay started.
I’d also like to know how often we’d need exposure to the full 3-5 minutes in order to maintain microloop (30s) viability.
A post I made about 30s loops. By no means definitive.
@SaintSovereign has seen this post, edited it, and made no comments, so definitely nothing in here is official!!!
I think there will be camps.
Like the post I made with Saint’s quote, he says even running 1 loop of a sub at 3 minutes is enough to be able to run 30s loops. Because it’ll remind you of the script.
But I’m more of the camp that it takes 1-2 cycles at the minimum before you really get as much value out of listening to microloops.
Why would you sustain your “peak potential” if your peak potential is almost virtually the same as it was one loop ago?
I’d personally prefer expanding consciousness first, then living at the peak of that expanded consciousness, second.
3+ minute loops are like learning math, with lots of hard work put into it.
30s microloops are like reminding yourselves of what you already know.
30s microloops will help you master the material you’ve already learned, but you’ll want to learn it first.
For example, Az said that this is one of the results he’s getting with his stack.
30s loops may make this more consistent. He’s getting “in and out” results with it, so, it’d make them more “in” than “out.”
30s loops with this would keep his fear 70% abated, all the time, without triggering more fear, but also decreasing the fear even further, but with more of a focus on same day results than overall maximum growth.
I think I’m understanding the limitations of the 30s more now. Since it relies on recall of the script I could see the mind deciding to cherry pick what it likes and become a bit tunnel visioned and unyielding to other points of view. So it seems 30s would benefit those who are higher flow factor and more open to new experiences. But I guess it could also benefit hardgainers if they stonewall the entire script, cherry picking might be just what their mind needs.
Guys who listen to other producers’ subliminals for 30 seconds…
Guys who listen to subliminals from SubClub…
Results from 30s commander loops
Background: ran commander for 2 months before this, from April 1 - May 31, and after 2 weeks of listening to commander at 3-15 minutes, I started listening to commander and limitless executive microloops
