My brother, I just went through your journal because I found your comment confusing and it appears you started with full loops which was too much for you so you switched to 3x 1min a day.
@Parsifal told you it was still beyond recommendations and count as running 3 loops but you went ahead and now complain subs don’t work for you because you feel overwhelmed.
You see what is happening here?
You should try ONE microloop of 3-5min every two,three or four days before calling it quits.
what in the haberdasheries is going on in here
Actually I ended up doing a 1 min loop in the morning and another one in the evening.
But anyway I try a lot of different schedules for months you know and my mind gets exhausted whether I use microloops or full loops.
Confusion has become quite a buzz word for me everything has been only confusion whenever I run the subs. I’m at the point of giving up with it.
I get results and they are cool and nice but the overexposure is absolutely unwilling to give in for me.
I tried cycles with microloops and full loops the end result is the same… overexposure.
So basically also I have been on a break now another washout as you would say and I just strongly feel like my mind is exhausted from it in general. Its always exhausted. Even when good results are there I am exhausted and cannot fully enjoy whatever is happening.
It’s up to you, but if you want to give something a try, take a break from subs for a week or two. Then listen to only ONE sub for 30 sec every second day. There’s a chance you’ve already pushed your mind more than it can handle, and you’re overloaded, and like a hurt muscle you need to let it rest and recover, and then start up again slowly.
Are you the type of individual who deeply ponders on things like reality itself, or other metaphysical questions, etc.?
Some people get very good results with only one loop per week, you could try that approach, more like a soft booster.
The power of the subconscious mind is just tremendous and because of that these programs have been intriguing to me.
However If I ignore the signs that my body is giving me any longer it would be very stupid. In the morning I would always wake-up with a fried brain and my brain is always heated, it is also never beyond activity, I feel it is constantly processing high-demanding input.
I don’t want anymore processing so that my mind has time to rest and become revitalised because I am now thinking that I am putting it under so much stress all the time that it may be causing a mental burn-out. Anyway beyond all theorising I just can just clearly feel I begin to feel exponentially better after a certain amount of rest days. I never feel like I want to listen again at all, in fact it is very much the opposite.
Why you ask?
I am drawn to those topics in general but I am engaging my mind as little as possible and be as meditative as possible because it really feels like my mind cannot take anymore information.
My mind wants to rest is what it feels like but my body is not sleepy at all. This is always the problem as even if I am exhausted I am never sleepy (I wish I was because if I could sleep my mind could also get the needed rest and time for processing) so I strongly feel the need to not put so much pressure on my mind constantly.
Anyway I am doing a meditation retreat I think it would be good to step away a little bit and go be fully in deep silence.
Do it! This sounds like a great idea. I want to do it too.
Because what you’re describing is a common phenomenon with those who process information in a certain way. Think of it like this – everyone has a unique “filter” that not only colors all information they receive, but also “directs” that information toward a method of digesting and processing it, and this is unique to the person. While the way this works is different with everyone, we can discern that everyone falls under a particular archetype (and this is how things like the MBTI works).
In your case, that “filter” is that of philosophizing the life experience itself. What this generally means (if you feel it applies to you) is that all information you receive is then deeply pondered upon in some way, or rather, you walk through life in a state of regular contemplation.
The “issue” with this (not that it’s any kind of failing on your part, but rather how you’d interact with subs) is that the subliminal’s scripting isn’t processed as advice or suggestions, but instead it triggers your natural deep contemplation process and in that state of contemplation, you experience “confusion.” But, I’d be willing to bet that if you think back, it’s less of generalized “confusion” and more of “so what do I do next, how do I proceed?” which again, triggers your deep contemplation processes. And you end up with a cycle of contemplation that feels exhausting, since you’re processing so much information.
Luckily, the solution is quite easy, but people don’t believe us when we say it. One loop. 30s. Like every 4-5 days. What people don’t understand is that in these situations, you will genuinely get better results with this because you won’t be locked in contemplation or recon and can actually express what you’re trying to change. People with the philosophizing mind also tend to have high flow factor (indicated by the fact that you mentioned getting results, even in recon / overexposure) because the same internal resources that can lead to this contemplation cycle can be used to work through recon issues more easily.
Keep in mind, however, that this is all theoretical and is based upon close customer observation. Ultimately, you have to decide what’s best for you, even if that includes stopping all subliminal use. I suspect, though, that this will be an “issue” regardless of the producer and the solution will still likely remain the same: very low usage.
EDIT: And apparently, it seems as those who have taken the MBTI and are *NTP will have to deal with this the most.
would this help in the recon process to bring balance and improve overall outcomes in subliminal processing
That’s a very enlightening theory which could explain my unique situation too.
So for example for someone who’s naturally drawn to go into deep introspection, observation and self-inquiry with a very active mind would be better to reduce the exposure overtime instead of lengthening it?
Starting from an exposure of maybe 3 minutes and then lowering by 30 sec. every listening day until you arrive at 30 sec. microloops, which then you lower even more by introducing more resting days between every listening time?
I always thought that the exposure should get higher over time but probably it’s not the case for everyone.
In case I do this and the 30s ends up working well, and stick with 30s forever will I then never have the full script of the program? This is my only issue with this cause I really like to listen to the entire program and not just a small fragment of it.
I am allowing my mind to process everything right now.
Whenever I have done this and returned to subliminal programs I had instant powerful results and then after a little over a week would be back into a state of constant processing and eventually it leads to the same mental overload.
This has not quite been true when I have listened to hypnosis audios who do not even have densily packed information, or layered information to “increase power” I process it quite well and very immediately. Those programs seem to never get me stuck but deliver results, however after stopping for 2-3 days it would also be completely out of my system and I am okay with that. With Subliminal Club it takes weeks if not longer to completely have everything out of my system.
It is just when too much information is delivered too quickly my mind seems to just get stuck in processing it, I still get results as mentioned but since my mind is in a state of constant exhaustion and tiredness it is not as profound and especially not enjoyable since I am just a bit numb about it.
Just want to feel life fully and not run around with a tired mind all the time. I am not available to people and people have told me I do listen probably because I am already ignoring a bunch of the scripts in general. So when people tell me I do not listen I am actually listen carefully but just not rendering the information. Because already so much information is being ignored. And doing this it just leads to me wasting time & energy in exhaustion instead of gaining results.
I think subliminal program are interesting but they need to be honed to work well for each individual. For what little results I gain and the amount of stress it puts on my system I don’t feel it is worth it. I might attempt a last try with the 30s once a week after I have emptied my mind from processing.
With just meditation I can permanently make myself live in joy and peace and create my life however I want it. I think a very little amount of stimuli that is processed immediately here and there could be good for reprogramming and empower my mind a little bit but I really do not need a ton of information because it becomes a huge burden that I carry around all the time.
My theory is that either you process it into results or it builds-up. And I seem to build-up information in my unconscious that is not being used until I have a very heavy head.
Anyway to all who responded thank you for listen to my story and offering a helping hand. I am going to do my yoga now 
@SaintSovereign can you check my pm to your response to me!
Damn, that’s my MBTI (ENTP).
Everything you wrote is also spot on with my experience.
Yep, that’s me. I still get great results even in a bad recon.
I think that’s just the subs being unbelievably powerful though.
Lately I’ve been gravitating towards 2-4 rest days. It seems to work just as well, if not better, because the load is lighter while still being just as impactful.
Once gain, this is how overexposure and low-level recon affect us:
Of course, only few people have that high transliminality level. However, overexposing and low-level recon concernes all of us. It’s only that people with high transliminality levels are more aware of what’s happening in their mind.
My reply:
@Adi Your transliminality might also be quite high, and when combined with a hyperactive mind, it may cause you to experience low-level recon more intensely than the average user. This is because there may be many intrusive thoughts and unsolicited emotions that, apart from being useless, disrupt your reconciliation cycle.
How the new recon tech might help with low-level recon:
When it comes to hyperactive mind, sedative techniques and emptying your mind should help a lot.
Of course, moderating your subliminal input is key.
How it goes for me on the new recon tech when I stop overexposing:
Yes very interesting @Sub.Zero. Why do you call it low-level recon though, this is more like high level reconciliation is it not so?
Now today actually suddenly had a huge breakthrough, still a lot of unresolved processing but at the same time huge breakthroughs and results are very much present. A very wonderful feeling within myself, feeling the programs I have been listening very strongly executing and feel so energised I barely want to sleep.
This as opposed to the numbness I am mostly feeling is just amazing. This feeling and the progress I am feeling is why I have not dropped the subliminal programs yet, I absolutely know and have experienced the potential. It is all about making it work for me at this point.
But it has been a constant observation that whenever I hit a certain amount of rest days results will come and flourish, however, it might as well be tomorrow I wake-up and it is gone again and I am back into processing, there is no consistency to it. If only I can have daily results, not a week of processing and being in weird and stuck states with one day of results it would be fantastic.
Also whenever this happens I will get a strong déja-vu for some reason, as if my mind clicks and things start to flow again. The deja-vu is just like any other deja-vu but it feels like “oh wow, I have been here before in my subliminal journey, like a similar breakthrough has occurred before” … not sure if this is new to others but it is not to me it has happened many times before and seems to always happen when I am on a cross roads.
I can now really see the progress I have made this cycle and the delay that I mentioned before seems to lessen by the day. Once I start to get into processing where results delay it is never good it will just build-up and will take time to unwind later on, leading to potentially weeks of harsh recon and constant processing with zero results whenever I finally take my washout.
The only solution I see to this is being able to manage and monitor exposure properly to keep it within a certain range that can be worked with for each individual and it is very variable and different for everyone!
You do realize that you’re working through your own recon with journaling and observation, right? Did you consider that this phenomenon isn’t just overexposure, but rather a deep sense of reconciliation?
Look at it from our perspective — you stated the issue and then began to think deeply about it, externalized your emotions, and then the recon suddenly broke.
Take it from someone who has read thousands upon thousands of customer reports. You should consider delving deep within the self, and the copy of whatever titles you tried to locate a pattern. When you’re in recon / processing, you said certain things bother you that normally wouldn’t. Write all of those down and try to find a commonality between them, then cross reference against the features or objectives of the title.
You may discover something there that is exceptionally triggering.
I call it low-level recon, since many people either fail to recognize it as recon (or at all), or refuse to acknowledge it due to FOMO (that used to be my case) or pride and act accordingly.
What’s most problematic is that low-level recon traps you in the vicious cycle I described in the first post.
That’s correct. The only issue I see is that there’s no reliable pattern; our reconciliation cycle varies not only between users but also from one exposure to another.
I described how to detect and deal with low-level recon in the first post.
Only after almost 10 days of processing this process begins to unfold smoothly, before it was also occurring but is was so burdening that even if I overcame some parts of the reconciliation clog there would inevitably be another layer that had to be resolved. This puts me just in a permanent reconciliation state leading to depression and no results at all.
Now it feels like a smooth process and emotions are involved, before there was no emotion and just a sort of numbness, I felt literally that something was “stuck” likely I am very sensitive to overexposure and it become so much that everything got stuck within my system.
Now I am just sailing through it but a bit hesitant to start again as even now when having awesome results I still have pressures and tensions in the mind.
I want to washout everything and start over slow, I really never again want to be in such a state. I did not feel my life at all. Life is the only valuable thing to me and my own inner well-being I do not want to stake. Reconciliation as I experience it now does not bother my whatsoever, I can consciously work it out very easily. Only when it gets stuck, I get stuck, and I have no idea what is going on and am just feeling numb and mentally lethargic it is absolutely a disaster and feels nothing short of life threatening to me.
This is all because the process has become more than my system is capable of handling and it shuts down completely.
Carefully monitoring & managing this process for me will be very important moving forward. But thanks for input I had not thought of writing it down like that and will try this approach.
While I understand your frustrations, at the end of the of the day, there’s very little that can be done on our end. If an individual has the natural proclivity to philosophize the life experience itself, even if we created scripting to “assist” with that, the individual would simply philosophize that too and most likely outright reject it, as the scripting would contain suggests that the person stop thinking the way they are built to think.
You also seem to hold the notion that “increased information” is the source of this issue, as if the “secret” to Zero Point’s effectiveness is complexity. That is untrue, and we have tested this before. We have created titles that were significantly shorter and contained less information and it triggers more recon than a title with “more information.” Case in point, Heartsong, which is remarkably short and concise and yet users have reported that they sometimes struggle with it, indicating that length and information density are not the deciding factors of the scale of recon that a user would potentially face. Instead, it is what I’ve always said: subject matter is the determining factor.
If I were to make “Gaming Mastery X - Valorant,” for example and went absolutely bonkers with the amount of information in the title, one who has mastered this game and reached higher ranks could still run it with ease, while those who are new to this game would experience much more recon. Why? Because the emotions and thoughts involved with competitive gaming are nuanced, but the Valorant expert has already naturally worked through those issues and wouldn’t be triggered by the script. To further illustrate, if I were to make this title, I would obviously write scripting for people to deal with the toxicity of PVP gaming itself. However, most of you who engage with PVP are already equipped to deal with this in your own unique fashion – whether that’s talking crap back, turning off the chat, etc. But someone new to this would find themselves having recon over this, since they haven’t actually developed an emotional strategy that works for them.
And thus, assuming the issue is solely with the nature of the Zero Point build and then placing an additional assumption upon that build will lead to further frustration, as titles that people would expect to “have additional information” may actually be rather simple in written form. The anti-recon scripting, for example – exceptionally simple in written form, complex in actual expression.
The only advice I can give is – if you want to continue using Zero Point titles, you will have to continue experimenting to find your sweet spot. It is not a hopeless cause, everyone has one. But yes, I understand if you feel that the cost is not worth it. In this case, perhaps your subconscious is informing you that you may already be undergoing a natural “accelerated” growth and attempting to push it further with subliminal audio may not be within the boundaries of your unique life path. But recognize that it is your unique lifepath and thought process that is driving the situation, not the actual build itself.
While we all have experienced overexposure – not just with subliminal audio usage, but also information overload in the daily life (think back to the COVID lockdown era, where information overload and fear drove individuals mad) – the large majority of users have indeed found their sweet spots.
