The viscious low-level recon cycle

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#15

Because what you’re describing is a common phenomenon with those who process information in a certain way. Think of it like this – everyone has a unique “filter” that not only colors all information they receive, but also “directs” that information toward a method of digesting and processing it, and this is unique to the person. While the way this works is different with everyone, we can discern that everyone falls under a particular archetype (and this is how things like the MBTI works).

In your case, that “filter” is that of philosophizing the life experience itself. What this generally means (if you feel it applies to you) is that all information you receive is then deeply pondered upon in some way, or rather, you walk through life in a state of regular contemplation.

The “issue” with this (not that it’s any kind of failing on your part, but rather how you’d interact with subs) is that the subliminal’s scripting isn’t processed as advice or suggestions, but instead it triggers your natural deep contemplation process and in that state of contemplation, you experience “confusion.” But, I’d be willing to bet that if you think back, it’s less of generalized “confusion” and more of “so what do I do next, how do I proceed?” which again, triggers your deep contemplation processes. And you end up with a cycle of contemplation that feels exhausting, since you’re processing so much information.

Luckily, the solution is quite easy, but people don’t believe us when we say it. One loop. 30s. Like every 4-5 days. What people don’t understand is that in these situations, you will genuinely get better results with this because you won’t be locked in contemplation or recon and can actually express what you’re trying to change. People with the philosophizing mind also tend to have high flow factor (indicated by the fact that you mentioned getting results, even in recon / overexposure) because the same internal resources that can lead to this contemplation cycle can be used to work through recon issues more easily.

Keep in mind, however, that this is all theoretical and is based upon close customer observation. Ultimately, you have to decide what’s best for you, even if that includes stopping all subliminal use. I suspect, though, that this will be an “issue” regardless of the producer and the solution will still likely remain the same: very low usage.

EDIT: And apparently, it seems as those who have taken the MBTI and are *NTP will have to deal with this the most.

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#16

would this help in the recon process to bring balance and improve overall outcomes in subliminal processing

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#17

That’s a very enlightening theory which could explain my unique situation too.

So for example for someone who’s naturally drawn to go into deep introspection, observation and self-inquiry with a very active mind would be better to reduce the exposure overtime instead of lengthening it?

Starting from an exposure of maybe 3 minutes and then lowering by 30 sec. every listening day until you arrive at 30 sec. microloops, which then you lower even more by introducing more resting days between every listening time?

I always thought that the exposure should get higher over time but probably it’s not the case for everyone.

#18

In case I do this and the 30s ends up working well, and stick with 30s forever will I then never have the full script of the program? This is my only issue with this cause I really like to listen to the entire program and not just a small fragment of it.

I am allowing my mind to process everything right now.

Whenever I have done this and returned to subliminal programs I had instant powerful results and then after a little over a week would be back into a state of constant processing and eventually it leads to the same mental overload.

This has not quite been true when I have listened to hypnosis audios who do not even have densily packed information, or layered information to “increase power” I process it quite well and very immediately. Those programs seem to never get me stuck but deliver results, however after stopping for 2-3 days it would also be completely out of my system and I am okay with that. With Subliminal Club it takes weeks if not longer to completely have everything out of my system.

It is just when too much information is delivered too quickly my mind seems to just get stuck in processing it, I still get results as mentioned but since my mind is in a state of constant exhaustion and tiredness it is not as profound and especially not enjoyable since I am just a bit numb about it.

Just want to feel life fully and not run around with a tired mind all the time. I am not available to people and people have told me I do listen probably because I am already ignoring a bunch of the scripts in general. So when people tell me I do not listen I am actually listen carefully but just not rendering the information. Because already so much information is being ignored. And doing this it just leads to me wasting time & energy in exhaustion instead of gaining results.

I think subliminal program are interesting but they need to be honed to work well for each individual. For what little results I gain and the amount of stress it puts on my system I don’t feel it is worth it. I might attempt a last try with the 30s once a week after I have emptied my mind from processing.

With just meditation I can permanently make myself live in joy and peace and create my life however I want it. I think a very little amount of stimuli that is processed immediately here and there could be good for reprogramming and empower my mind a little bit but I really do not need a ton of information because it becomes a huge burden that I carry around all the time.

My theory is that either you process it into results or it builds-up. And I seem to build-up information in my unconscious that is not being used until I have a very heavy head.

Anyway to all who responded thank you for listen to my story and offering a helping hand. I am going to do my yoga now :slight_smile:

@SaintSovereign can you check my pm to your response to me!

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#19

Damn, that’s my MBTI (ENTP).
Everything you wrote is also spot on with my experience.

Yep, that’s me. I still get great results even in a bad recon.
I think that’s just the subs being unbelievably powerful though.

Lately I’ve been gravitating towards 2-4 rest days. It seems to work just as well, if not better, because the load is lighter while still being just as impactful.

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#20

Once gain, this is how overexposure and low-level recon affect us:

Of course, only few people have that high transliminality level. However, overexposing and low-level recon concernes all of us. It’s only that people with high transliminality levels are more aware of what’s happening in their mind.

My reply:

@Adi Your transliminality might also be quite high, and when combined with a hyperactive mind, it may cause you to experience low-level recon more intensely than the average user. This is because there may be many intrusive thoughts and unsolicited emotions that, apart from being useless, disrupt your reconciliation cycle.

How the new recon tech might help with low-level recon:

When it comes to hyperactive mind, sedative techniques and emptying your mind should help a lot.

Of course, moderating your subliminal input is key.

How it goes for me on the new recon tech when I stop overexposing:

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#22

Yes very interesting @Sub.Zero. Why do you call it low-level recon though, this is more like high level reconciliation is it not so?

#23

Now today actually suddenly had a huge breakthrough, still a lot of unresolved processing but at the same time huge breakthroughs and results are very much present. A very wonderful feeling within myself, feeling the programs I have been listening very strongly executing and feel so energised I barely want to sleep.

This as opposed to the numbness I am mostly feeling is just amazing. This feeling and the progress I am feeling is why I have not dropped the subliminal programs yet, I absolutely know and have experienced the potential. It is all about making it work for me at this point.

But it has been a constant observation that whenever I hit a certain amount of rest days results will come and flourish, however, it might as well be tomorrow I wake-up and it is gone again and I am back into processing, there is no consistency to it. If only I can have daily results, not a week of processing and being in weird and stuck states with one day of results it would be fantastic.

Also whenever this happens I will get a strong déja-vu for some reason, as if my mind clicks and things start to flow again. The deja-vu is just like any other deja-vu but it feels like “oh wow, I have been here before in my subliminal journey, like a similar breakthrough has occurred before” … not sure if this is new to others but it is not to me it has happened many times before and seems to always happen when I am on a cross roads.

I can now really see the progress I have made this cycle and the delay that I mentioned before seems to lessen by the day. Once I start to get into processing where results delay it is never good it will just build-up and will take time to unwind later on, leading to potentially weeks of harsh recon and constant processing with zero results whenever I finally take my washout.

The only solution I see to this is being able to manage and monitor exposure properly to keep it within a certain range that can be worked with for each individual and it is very variable and different for everyone!

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#24

@Adi

You do realize that you’re working through your own recon with journaling and observation, right? Did you consider that this phenomenon isn’t just overexposure, but rather a deep sense of reconciliation?

Look at it from our perspective — you stated the issue and then began to think deeply about it, externalized your emotions, and then the recon suddenly broke.

Take it from someone who has read thousands upon thousands of customer reports. You should consider delving deep within the self, and the copy of whatever titles you tried to locate a pattern. When you’re in recon / processing, you said certain things bother you that normally wouldn’t. Write all of those down and try to find a commonality between them, then cross reference against the features or objectives of the title.

You may discover something there that is exceptionally triggering.

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#25

I call it low-level recon, since many people either fail to recognize it as recon (or at all), or refuse to acknowledge it due to FOMO (that used to be my case) or pride and act accordingly.

What’s most problematic is that low-level recon traps you in the vicious cycle I described in the first post.

That’s correct. The only issue I see is that there’s no reliable pattern; our reconciliation cycle varies not only between users but also from one exposure to another.

I described how to detect and deal with low-level recon in the first post.

#26

Only after almost 10 days of processing this process begins to unfold smoothly, before it was also occurring but is was so burdening that even if I overcame some parts of the reconciliation clog there would inevitably be another layer that had to be resolved. This puts me just in a permanent reconciliation state leading to depression and no results at all.

Now it feels like a smooth process and emotions are involved, before there was no emotion and just a sort of numbness, I felt literally that something was “stuck” likely I am very sensitive to overexposure and it become so much that everything got stuck within my system.

Now I am just sailing through it but a bit hesitant to start again as even now when having awesome results I still have pressures and tensions in the mind.

I want to washout everything and start over slow, I really never again want to be in such a state. I did not feel my life at all. Life is the only valuable thing to me and my own inner well-being I do not want to stake. Reconciliation as I experience it now does not bother my whatsoever, I can consciously work it out very easily. Only when it gets stuck, I get stuck, and I have no idea what is going on and am just feeling numb and mentally lethargic it is absolutely a disaster and feels nothing short of life threatening to me.

This is all because the process has become more than my system is capable of handling and it shuts down completely.

Carefully monitoring & managing this process for me will be very important moving forward. But thanks for input I had not thought of writing it down like that and will try this approach.

#27

While I understand your frustrations, at the end of the of the day, there’s very little that can be done on our end. If an individual has the natural proclivity to philosophize the life experience itself, even if we created scripting to “assist” with that, the individual would simply philosophize that too and most likely outright reject it, as the scripting would contain suggests that the person stop thinking the way they are built to think.

You also seem to hold the notion that “increased information” is the source of this issue, as if the “secret” to Zero Point’s effectiveness is complexity. That is untrue, and we have tested this before. We have created titles that were significantly shorter and contained less information and it triggers more recon than a title with “more information.” Case in point, Heartsong, which is remarkably short and concise and yet users have reported that they sometimes struggle with it, indicating that length and information density are not the deciding factors of the scale of recon that a user would potentially face. Instead, it is what I’ve always said: subject matter is the determining factor.

If I were to make “Gaming Mastery X - Valorant,” for example and went absolutely bonkers with the amount of information in the title, one who has mastered this game and reached higher ranks could still run it with ease, while those who are new to this game would experience much more recon. Why? Because the emotions and thoughts involved with competitive gaming are nuanced, but the Valorant expert has already naturally worked through those issues and wouldn’t be triggered by the script. To further illustrate, if I were to make this title, I would obviously write scripting for people to deal with the toxicity of PVP gaming itself. However, most of you who engage with PVP are already equipped to deal with this in your own unique fashion – whether that’s talking crap back, turning off the chat, etc. But someone new to this would find themselves having recon over this, since they haven’t actually developed an emotional strategy that works for them.

And thus, assuming the issue is solely with the nature of the Zero Point build and then placing an additional assumption upon that build will lead to further frustration, as titles that people would expect to “have additional information” may actually be rather simple in written form. The anti-recon scripting, for example – exceptionally simple in written form, complex in actual expression.

The only advice I can give is – if you want to continue using Zero Point titles, you will have to continue experimenting to find your sweet spot. It is not a hopeless cause, everyone has one. But yes, I understand if you feel that the cost is not worth it. In this case, perhaps your subconscious is informing you that you may already be undergoing a natural “accelerated” growth and attempting to push it further with subliminal audio may not be within the boundaries of your unique life path. But recognize that it is your unique lifepath and thought process that is driving the situation, not the actual build itself.

While we all have experienced overexposure – not just with subliminal audio usage, but also information overload in the daily life (think back to the COVID lockdown era, where information overload and fear drove individuals mad) – the large majority of users have indeed found their sweet spots.

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#28

Update 1:

That’s generally correct. However, I noticed that subliminal reconciliation is not a linear progression toward greater and greater results but rather a cycle. This means that even after experiencing a spike of recon, it doesn’t guarantee you won’t go through another spike, even if you were off subs. However, in general, low-level recon tends to subside gradually, and, simultaneously, the recon blanket that smothers the results gets lifted.

I noticed that running micro loops can cause spikes of acute recon; however, it shortens the overall reconciliation cycle. So, shortening your loops will help you get through recon quicker, but it doesn’t necessarily make the experience smoother.

Glossary:

(Subliminal) Reconciliation is the process induced by subliminal input.
Recon refers to the side effects of (subliminal) reconciliation.

Update 2:

The quickest fix is the new recon tech, which helps smooth out reconciliation significantly by allowing you to deal with recon much faster—often on the spot. However, as you know, only a few titles include this technology, so managing recon—especially low-level recon—can still be challenging. Recon tends to be unpredictable and is often overlooked, especially in its low-level form.

The most reliable approach is to monitor your reconciliation cycle and adjust your subliminal exposure accordingly. Low-level recon is a clear sign that your mind needs more time to process the scripting, so it’s important to give it that time. Increasing physical activity, practicing relaxation techniques, maintaining a proper diet, staying hydrated, and getting enough sleep can all make a big difference and smooth out the whole process.

Update 3:

It’s hard to tell, as our reconciliation cycle is mostly unpredictable—as I mentioned before. This means that even though 3 minutes worked for you this time, it might not work as well the next time you run your sub. As I said earlier, it’s all about monitoring your reconciliation cycle and managing low-level recon when it arises.

My guess is that 3 minutes might be the minimum you can currently handle, and it would be a good idea to gradually increase your exposure—perhaps once a week.

From what I’ve observed, the longer loops you run, the more rest you need, and the higher the “risk” of experiencing low-level recon. The sweet spot is a theoretical point where there’s little to no low-level recon and results are consistent. However, this sweet spot isn’t static—it’s dynamic. That’s why continuous monitoring of your reconciliation cycle and actively managing recon is essential.

Update 4:

While an accurate response to this may not be as straightforward as it seems, I will attempt to provide one to the best of my knowledge, drawing from my experience and long-term observation.

First, however, it’s important to differentiate between subliminally induced reconciliation and its side effect known as 'recon’.

Each time we run subliminals, we either initiate a new reconciliation cycle or reinforce the one we’re currently experiencing. Reconciliation is a process involving multiple, often unpredictable and unexpected, changes in our subconscious mental structures and patterns.

This subliminal process, known as reconciliation, can be ridden by what is referred to as ‘recon’. These are the side effects of reconciliation that most of us are familiar with—and don’t particularly enjoy—like the ones you described here:

and many other side effects.

Now, I’ve experienced these typical recon symptoms even while using non-healing subs, so they’re clearly not limited to healing programs alone. Moreover, I’ve run many healing subs without experiencing recon, yet I could clearly recognize the reconciliation cycle I was going through—and still enjoy the results.

We absolutely don’t need recon in order to grow. Moreover, based on my experience and observations, recon actually interrupts subliminal reconciliation and should be avoided at all costs, as it tends to smother the very results we’re aiming for.

Moreover, recon often makes it impossible to take the required action—or severely limits our ability to carry it out. And as we know, taking action is the primary catalyst for growth.

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#29

Good stuff.

Starting with micro loops each time is recommended for a reason : it’s the best way to find your sweet spot, as it’s a highly individual matter. It varies not only from person to person but also between different stacks—and sometimes even from day to day.

This is what I been doing with DRR. I cycle between 3-5m. Some days I can handle 5m no problem, no recon, other days 5m will give me brutal recon. When this happens, I usually take an extra rest day and start over at 3m.

Also I’m gonna add the new HERO ST1 with DRR1 on my next cycle. Seems like it can help in lots of ways.

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#30

Glad for your comments and you decided to keep contributing. I always find myself learning from your comments

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#31

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#32

Update 5:
Recon is not the same as what most people refer to as ‘reconciliation,’ since subliminal reconciliation refers to all the mental processes that occur after exposure to subliminals whilst recon are the side effect of that subliminal reconciliation. Therefore, I clarified the distinction above, although SC describes both quite well below.

Reconciliation:

When you are listening to a properly made subliminal, reconciliation is always happening.

It’s not a negative process at all!

[…]

Reconciliation is a process where your internal beliefs and subconscious structures are being integrated, connected, reconciled, tested and made stronger/discarded in your subconscious mind.
Once you introduce subliminals, that’s when the game starts.

Once you have subliminals being inputted into your subconscious mind, suddenly you have millions of new ideas, questions, answers and tests flowing into your subconscious mind – and it has to reconcile all of these!

Recon:

As it does so, you’ll experience emotions and memories surfacing and side effects such as fatigue, headaches, desire to switch/drop subliminals, etc. The more it has to reconcile, the more likely you are to experience these and have them be more noticeable.

Reconciliation Symptoms:

  • Desire to quit subliminals.
  • Obsessive, compulsive desire to switch subliminals (to some of our other subliminals or another company altogether).
  • Feeling that nothing is happening/working, feeling of wasting time, or hopelessness.
  • Depression, sadness, apathy, rage, anger, hate, jealousy (any negative emotion can surface). Can come in multiple forms such as a mood over several days or a sudden surfacing. Rarely can also come in extremely unusual feelings never felt before, such as joyous but soulful mourning.
  • A “reconciliation fog” over your mind that makes illogical seem logical (in your mind, you’ll think you’re fine and that everyone else is at fault).
  • Extreme handwaving away of results and effects – even the most obvious results will seem as if nothing is happening. An example is when we had testers with obviously elevated vital signs (rapid breathing, high heart rate, sweating) claim nothing is happening during testing of very specific experimental physical shifting technology.
  • Vivid or weird dreams, which at times can contain hints at to what is happening in the subconscious. Can also be complete lack of dreams or at times nightmares.
  • In rare cases, repeat awakenings where you wake up, think you are in reality, but then wake up again (sometimes multiple times in a row). This is usually the case with high levels of overload when the process of reconciliation gets incredibly complex, like a ball of yarn trying to reconcile all the new input and straighten itself out. We call these time-loops.

Source

To sum it up:

  • Reconciliation → the actual internal subliminal process, and
  • Recon → the experiential side effects of that process.
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#33

@SaintSovereign

ENTP here as well.

Plus, I’ve been diving deep into complex spiritual and scientific concepts basically throughout my whole life and overthinking, overanalyzing and over-reflecting on everything and everyone.

Or in other words, it seems that when the ZP script triggers a reconciliation process inside my subconscious mind, a chain reaction happens, where the reconciliation then goes through all the possible layers, further down the rabbit hole, asking questions about the questions about the questions. And that reconciliation chain reaction only stops once it arrives at the very core of things.

I’ve been suspecting this for a long time, since this is how my conscious mind operates as well, trying to understand the concept behind the concept, the reason behind the reason, the source behind the symptoms etc. And now with Saint’s explanation this would confirm that it means that my subconscious mind also operates like that.

Luckily for me, I am always super open minded towards everything, so my mind, in most cases, will never outright reject an idea, but will always try to go its core and then reconcile it with other already existing ideas. No idea is too crazy to not be considered and reflected upon.

Which explains why I’ve always gotten hardcore recon symptoms from Love Bomb and WANTED / WB, as I’ve been processing additional layers from other people’s minds too – this is that “Extraverted” and “Intuitive” part of me (from “EN”-TP) and the mechanic that makes my subconscious mind telepathically access other’s people’s minds for additional processing of data happens because of this more often than it is probably necessary. That’s what happens with over-analyzing and overthinking of everything.

Sometimes it feels like that my mind is reconciling all of humanity at once. For example, reconciling my relationship with one particular person, triggers reconciliation of my relationship iwth all of humanity and all of humanity’s aspects etc.
Then, this chain reconciliation goes on and on until all possible aspects of humanity have been reflected upon and I can find my new place in that, and then update my belief about my relationship towards that particular person.

It feels like all I want to do is overwrite Girl-A.JPG with Girl-B.JPG, but then my mind starts questions the nature of JPEG’s, the file folder that these files are stored in, the nature of the operating system, the BIOS, the computer hardware it is based upon, the nature of saving pictures on computers, the nature of pictures in general and information processing etc. :joy:

It feels like only wanting to take a sip of wine, but ending up becoming a sommelier and wine expert, just to mentally classify what that sip of wine meant and how it fits into the grand picture of my life.

I wish I would have known this earlier, I mean about the very different ways of how people can process the subliminal input, I then would have made more rest days in the past and even more conscious processing and would have paid more attention to how I am processing everything. Looks like I’ve been overexposing myself massively over the last years… but not because I listened to too many different titles, but because I was not aware that my mind operates in reconciliation chain reactions.

Maybe scripting against overthinking and overanalyzing would help?
Something like instruction the subconscious mind to reconcile an idea only gradually? Like reconcile it only so far, that the new idea can be manifested in the outer reality and just “tested out for a little bit first” and if the reality-backtest is successful only then reconcile it further?

Over the last weeks I have used ChatGPT extensively to dive deep into reasons for things and events in my life and all the psychological mechanics associated with it and that has been helping me a lot in terms of conscious processing of upcoming emotions and insights.

This also explains my latest experiences of the synergistic effects of running many different titles as sometimes a different perspective onto something is all that needed in order to break through a plateau. For example using the latest EE approach, has broken through the action taking plateau I previously had with KHAN. Now that plateau has been broken, I am taking a lot of action while going through KHAN’s Total Breakdown processing.

PS: I have also been using esoteric stuff in order to increase my transliminality.

PPS: Sorry if not all of this makes sense what I wrote here. English is not my native language. Anyways, with those new explanations I am one big step further with learning how to properly work with ZP.

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#34

I have been wondering this for awhile. If information can be perceived through someone his energetic field. And if I often times get more results from reading the sales page and consciously tapping into that energy structure then why should I process things through the auditory part of my brain.

What if I can turn the entire audio just into an electromagnetic field and process it as energy.

#35

Update 6:

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