The viscious low-level recon cycle

[Sub.Zero]

I’ve decided to compile all my thoughts on the matter that I’ve shared across various threads, in order to keep everything neat and well-organized—so the community can benefit more easily from my insights.

1. Let’s start with desribing reconciliation.

@Sub.Zero

Reconciliation is happening all the time (even off subs), and it’s a process that can make one overwhelmed by heightened levels of intrusive thoughts and unsolicited emotions. However, the modern man already experiences all of that daily due to a hyperactive psychology and intellect—and this only gets amplified when reconciling demanding or “scary” concepts.

The real culprit is that hyperactive psychology and intellect, which make us more vulnerable to “mental events” that interrupt the natural reconciliation process—such as intrusive thoughts and unsolicited emotions.

In order to counterbalance this mental hyperactivity, it’s essential to become more physically active and to take action with clear intent and strong focus. Of course, there are other ways to restore balance—like meditation, breathing exercises, and mindfulness—but increased physical activity combined with intentional, focused action is something that can be applied consistently and often yields far better subliminal results overall.

@Sub.Zero

Thanks to the new recon tech, I’ve been able to explore my own reconciliation cycle, which helped me arrive at the conclusion that a clear distinction must be made between subliminal reconciliation and our natural reconciliation cycle. It’s crucial to understand the correlation between the two—and how alignment between them is of utmost importance.

Subliminal reconciliation disrupts our natural reconciliation cycle when there is a significant discrepancy between the two. It does so by triggering intrusive thoughts and unsolicited emotions, which make the natural process not only more difficult but also far less effective.

To illustrate an example of high alignment between our natural reconciliation cycle and subliminal reconciliation, let me use a simple—though admittedly extreme and hypothetical—scenario, meant purely as a conceptual aid:

A guy has just been dumped by his girlfriend. His mind is naturally coping with the rejection, working to regain emotional balance. This process forms the core of his current natural reconciliation cycle. Running Sanguine would support that process, because the subliminal reconciliation it induces aligns well with what his mind is already trying to accomplish. There’s nothing in its scripting that would interrupt the natural cycle with intrusive thoughts or inappropriate emotional responses.

In contrast, running WB could severely disrupt this process. The subliminal reconciliation it triggers might bring up intrusive thoughts related to self-worth, women, and relationships, along with unsolicited emotions like despair or self-loathing—none of which match the current emotional and cognitive work his mind is engaged in.

Again, this is a hypothetical scenario used solely for explanatory purposes—it’s not meant to be an analysis of anyone’s actual situation.

2. On the content that is reconciled:

@Sub.Zero

@SaintSovereign

This is the expected response to using a title that hits on deep blockages. Zero Point’s job is to make you consciously aware of the issues that are preventing you from reaching maximum success. Once that issue is brought into conscious awareness, you must take action to resolve them. The scripts come with various support scripting to help you do that, but ultimately, you have to work through that issue. Then the results come.

However, that concerns only a tiny percentage of what actually surfaces in consciousness—at least thanks to the new recon tech. Most of it is just mental garbage you can’t do much about, other than waiting it out and allowing your subconscious to process it naturally, ideally supported by increased physical activity.

When the process becomes intense, it’s important to reduce exposure. In fact, I recommend doing so earlier—specifically when reconciliation episodes filled with useless intrusive thoughts and unsolicited emotions last longer than five minutes.

3. On low-level recon itself:

@Sub.Zero

Low-level recon is like a suffocating blanket over the mind. It’s usually accompanied by a flood of mental garbage—intrusive thoughts and unsolicited emotions surfacing. Only a small portion of this content reflects real issues being processed—ones that can be addressed consciously and worked on with intent.

Subliminal recon isn’t much different from our natural reconciliation cycle, where a lot of subconscious material surfaces without offering any real value for conscious work. That’s why it simply has to be waited out. What helps in dealing with this kind of mental clutter is increased physical activity. Of course, reducing exposure time is essential once low-level recon is identified.

4. On the main culprit = overexposing:

@Sub.Zero

You’re not the only one. Pretty much all of us are overexposing and the surest sign of that is what you mentioned here:

@Adi

If I listen every day or if I listen every other or even once 3-4 days I will process crazy dreams every single night and wake up with a fried brain.

@Adi

This is my feeling, most of the time I get very delayed results somehow.

Overexposure leads to low-level recon, which not only diminishes current results but also potentially delays them, just as you intuit. It may be that most of the potential results never get executed at all, and only a fraction of them eventually manifests—with a delay.

@Adi

Not in the slightest am I lazy in mind I can easily focus long long hours and not get tired but processing of programs still exhausts my mind for several days to weeks I can feel it in the back of my mind.

I just want to remind everyone once again that Zero Point was initially intended to be used once a week—and that was in the beginning but, as we all know, the tech has developed significantly since then.

The most common occurrence on the forums: overexposure leads to getting stuck in the vicious cycle I just mentioned here:

@Sub.Zero

Overexposure typically triggers low-level recon; low-level recon makes us rely too heavily on the subs, and that in turn leads back to overexposure. A vicious cycle, indeed.

5. On the viciousness of low-recon cycle as there’s a causative relationship between those three factors I mentioned above:

@Sub.Zero

I’ve found another trinity that’s even more crucial as it concerns subliminal usage in itself:

1. Overexposure.
   It’s hard to accept that the rule ‘less is more’ applies to subliminal usage—and so easy to succumb to subliminal FOMO. Overexposure is the main culprit when it comes to making reconciliation rougher than it needs to be, as well as producing subpar results.
2. Overlooking low-level recon.
   This one is prevalent in the community and is the main reason why we don’t see as many mind-blowing results as we should—considering how exceptionally potent these tools are. The community has yet to understand that this kind of reconciliation is the most detrimental, as it’s insidious by nature and disrupts our natural reconciliation cycle .
3. Relying too much on the subs.

6. On the traditional way of preventing the vicious low-recon cycle from occurring.

@Sub.Zero

Starting with micro loops each time is recommended for a reason: it’s the best way to find your sweet spot, as it’s a highly individual matter. It varies not only from person to person but also between different stacks—and sometimes even from day to day.

Another important point is monitoring low-level recon, which is the most common type of recon—and even so-called “elite” users often struggle to detect it. This kind of recon can be quite insidious because it’s subtle, easy to overlook, and can linger for weeks or even months if not kept in check.

Signs like lingering anxiety or irritability lasting more than a few hours—especially when combined with vivid, intense dreams and waking up groggy—are clear indicators of low-level recon. In such cases, it means the mind needs more time to process the scripting.

Good luck, guys.

[Sub.Zero]

There are plenty of examples on the forum, yet that’s the one I chose since it’s the most obvious I’ve just come across lately. Here, you can see how people get stuck in the vicious low-level recon cycle and how their mind doesn’t have enough time to process the scripting, as it is constantly occupied processing.

@HyperMan

3rd cycle on Primal+G:M+LotS started after a strange washout time full of high and medium lows, emotionally and mentally speaking.

@Parsifal

@HyperMan

However I discovered that my Soul wants to follow a different but unknown pathway to create the best life possible for me. A life that’s meant uniquely for me without any societal conditioning and constraints.

Perhaps just as a word of encouragement from someone following your journals for some time now.
Just reading your journal, you changed a lot.
Simply the way you write changed. Much more introspection. Deeper thoughts. More profound goals.
You might not see to much results as of yet, but be sure, you’re building the necessary foundation to build something great.

The strong inward pull of the mind’s focus (especially intense introspecting) reflects intensive internal processing—something not everyone may realize.

@HyperMan

Are these your own anecdotal assumptions or official researched conclusions?

These aren’t assumptions, mate — these are real dynamics that you, and pretty much everyone on the forums, experience daily without even realizing it. I just bring the light, that’s all.

[HyperMan]

Frankly I don’t why you keep calling me out of 100s of other users who aren’t even following the recommended guidelines. At least I’m microlooping my 3-title stack and listening even less than recommended.

You don’t know me enough to say that I’m trapped in your anecdotal theory.

Also, you seem to give others all the answers and you still struggle with high recon levels after all these years, but paradoxically speaking you feel entitled to judge others path if they aren’t conforming to your theories.

[Sub.Zero]

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[HyperMan]

I won’t be buying into unofficial theories or recommendations. Only from the founders and moderators.

Please refrain from calling me out from now on.

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[Adi]

Recon (edit: reconciliation on this level) truly makes life more difficult than it should be, it makes small and little things in to huge and big things for me and makes me stress over things that would otherwise not in the slightest affect me.

I will for hours be stuck with something that I don’t actually care about at all. Every time I do a washout I don’t want to come back to subliminal’s because I prefer my peace of mind so now I don’t know if I will continue using them again, the only reason I do is because I like the product descriptions and what they are meant to do.

But my system gets affected in very negative ways even with very little exposure.

I can genuinely accomplish more if I am just in a mental state of ease and looseness instead of constant tension and overload even if the information that is processing should contribute to growth. It is not just contributing to anything at that point.

And overexposure has been completely unavoidable for me whatever I have tried.

I just know if I don’t use the programs at least Ill have peace of mind for myself and everyone around me will benefit way more from my presence.

Meditation seems to be genuinely all I need.

See @Sub.Zero I also have been making out a whole theory about it but then it never adds up in the end I will be in unbearable states of reconciliation and overexposure.

For whoever it works really well I applaud them and I am happy for them.

For now I am enjoying my time off from listening as it is just ease and contentment!

[SoulFire]

@Adi

And overexposure has been completely unavoidable for me whatever I have tried.

My brother, I just went through your journal because I found your comment confusing and it appears you started with full loops which was too much for you so you switched to 3x 1min a day.

@Parsifal told you it was still beyond recommendations and count as running 3 loops but you went ahead and now complain subs don’t work for you because you feel overwhelmed.

You see what is happening here?

You should try ONE microloop of 3-5min every two,three or four days before calling it quits.

[SaintSovereign]

what in the haberdasheries is going on in here

[Adi]

Actually I ended up doing a 1 min loop in the morning and another one in the evening.

But anyway I try a lot of different schedules for months you know and my mind gets exhausted whether I use microloops or full loops.

Confusion has become quite a buzz word for me everything has been only confusion whenever I run the subs. I’m at the point of giving up with it.

I get results and they are cool and nice but the overexposure is absolutely unwilling to give in for me.

I tried cycles with microloops and full loops the end result is the same… overexposure.

So basically also I have been on a break now another washout as you would say and I just strongly feel like my mind is exhausted from it in general. Its always exhausted. Even when good results are there I am exhausted and cannot fully enjoy whatever is happening.

[Risky]

It’s up to you, but if you want to give something a try, take a break from subs for a week or two. Then listen to only ONE sub for 30 sec every second day. There’s a chance you’ve already pushed your mind more than it can handle, and you’re overloaded, and like a hurt muscle you need to let it rest and recover, and then start up again slowly.

[SaintSovereign]

Are you the type of individual who deeply ponders on things like reality itself, or other metaphysical questions, etc.?

[SoulFire]

Some people get very good results with only one loop per week, you could try that approach, more like a soft booster.

[Adi]

The power of the subconscious mind is just tremendous and because of that these programs have been intriguing to me.

However If I ignore the signs that my body is giving me any longer it would be very stupid. In the morning I would always wake-up with a fried brain and my brain is always heated, it is also never beyond activity, I feel it is constantly processing high-demanding input.

I don’t want anymore processing so that my mind has time to rest and become revitalised because I am now thinking that I am putting it under so much stress all the time that it may be causing a mental burn-out. Anyway beyond all theorising I just can just clearly feel I begin to feel exponentially better after a certain amount of rest days. I never feel like I want to listen again at all, in fact it is very much the opposite.

@SaintSovereign

Are you the type of individual who deeply ponders on things like reality itself, or other metaphysical questions, etc.?

Why you ask?

I am drawn to those topics in general but I am engaging my mind as little as possible and be as meditative as possible because it really feels like my mind cannot take anymore information.

My mind wants to rest is what it feels like but my body is not sleepy at all. This is always the problem as even if I am exhausted I am never sleepy (I wish I was because if I could sleep my mind could also get the needed rest and time for processing) so I strongly feel the need to not put so much pressure on my mind constantly.

Anyway I am doing a meditation retreat I think it would be good to step away a little bit and go be fully in deep silence.

[Risky]

@Adi

Anyway I am doing a meditation retreat I think it would be good to step away a little bit and go be fully in deep silence.

Do it! This sounds like a great idea. I want to do it too.

[SaintSovereign]

@Adi

Why you ask?

I am drawn to those topics in general but I am engaging my mind as little as possible and be as meditative as possible because it really feels like my mind cannot take anymore information.

Because what you’re describing is a common phenomenon with those who process information in a certain way. Think of it like this – everyone has a unique “filter” that not only colors all information they receive, but also “directs” that information toward a method of digesting and processing it, and this is unique to the person. While the way this works is different with everyone, we can discern that everyone falls under a particular archetype (and this is how things like the MBTI works).

In your case, that “filter” is that of philosophizing the life experience itself. What this generally means (if you feel it applies to you) is that all information you receive is then deeply pondered upon in some way, or rather, you walk through life in a state of regular contemplation.

The “issue” with this (not that it’s any kind of failing on your part, but rather how you’d interact with subs) is that the subliminal’s scripting isn’t processed as advice or suggestions, but instead it triggers your natural deep contemplation process and in that state of contemplation, you experience “confusion.” But, I’d be willing to bet that if you think back, it’s less of generalized “confusion” and more of “so what do I do next, how do I proceed?” which again, triggers your deep contemplation processes. And you end up with a cycle of contemplation that feels exhausting, since you’re processing so much information.

Luckily, the solution is quite easy, but people don’t believe us when we say it. One loop. 30s. Like every 4-5 days. What people don’t understand is that in these situations, you will genuinely get better results with this because you won’t be locked in contemplation or recon and can actually express what you’re trying to change. People with the philosophizing mind also tend to have high flow factor (indicated by the fact that you mentioned getting results, even in recon / overexposure) because the same internal resources that can lead to this contemplation cycle can be used to work through recon issues more easily.

Keep in mind, however, that this is all theoretical and is based upon close customer observation. Ultimately, you have to decide what’s best for you, even if that includes stopping all subliminal use. I suspect, though, that this will be an “issue” regardless of the producer and the solution will still likely remain the same: very low usage.

EDIT: And apparently, it seems as those who have taken the MBTI and are *NTP will have to deal with this the most.

[themadsexyscientist]

@Sub.Zero

like meditation, breathing exercises, and mindfulness

would this help in the recon process to bring balance and improve overall outcomes in subliminal processing

[HyperMan]

That’s a very enlightening theory which could explain my unique situation too.

So for example for someone who’s naturally drawn to go into deep introspection, observation and self-inquiry with a very active mind would be better to reduce the exposure overtime instead of lengthening it?

Starting from an exposure of maybe 3 minutes and then lowering by 30 sec. every listening day until you arrive at 30 sec. microloops, which then you lower even more by introducing more resting days between every listening time?

I always thought that the exposure should get higher over time but probably it’s not the case for everyone.

[Adi]

@SaintSovereign

Luckily, the solution is quite easy, but people don’t believe us when we say it. One loop. 30s. Like every 4-5 days.

In case I do this and the 30s ends up working well, and stick with 30s forever will I then never have the full script of the program? This is my only issue with this cause I really like to listen to the entire program and not just a small fragment of it.

I am allowing my mind to process everything right now.

Whenever I have done this and returned to subliminal programs I had instant powerful results and then after a little over a week would be back into a state of constant processing and eventually it leads to the same mental overload.

@SaintSovereign

I suspect, though, that this will be an “issue” regardless of the producer and the solution will still likely remain the same: very low usage.

This has not quite been true when I have listened to hypnosis audios who do not even have densily packed information, or layered information to “increase power” I process it quite well and very immediately. Those programs seem to never get me stuck but deliver results, however after stopping for 2-3 days it would also be completely out of my system and I am okay with that. With Subliminal Club it takes weeks if not longer to completely have everything out of my system.

It is just when too much information is delivered too quickly my mind seems to just get stuck in processing it, I still get results as mentioned but since my mind is in a state of constant exhaustion and tiredness it is not as profound and especially not enjoyable since I am just a bit numb about it.

Just want to feel life fully and not run around with a tired mind all the time. I am not available to people and people have told me I do listen probably because I am already ignoring a bunch of the scripts in general. So when people tell me I do not listen I am actually listen carefully but just not rendering the information. Because already so much information is being ignored. And doing this it just leads to me wasting time & energy in exhaustion instead of gaining results.

I think subliminal program are interesting but they need to be honed to work well for each individual. For what little results I gain and the amount of stress it puts on my system I don’t feel it is worth it. I might attempt a last try with the 30s once a week after I have emptied my mind from processing.

With just meditation I can permanently make myself live in joy and peace and create my life however I want it. I think a very little amount of stimuli that is processed immediately here and there could be good for reprogramming and empower my mind a little bit but I really do not need a ton of information because it becomes a huge burden that I carry around all the time.

My theory is that either you process it into results or it builds-up. And I seem to build-up information in my unconscious that is not being used until I have a very heavy head.

Anyway to all who responded thank you for listen to my story and offering a helping hand. I am going to do my yoga now

@SaintSovereign can you check my pm to your response to me!

[Viktor]

@SaintSovereign

And apparently, it seems as those who have taken the MBTI and are *NTP will have to deal with this the most.

Damn, that’s my MBTI (ENTP).
Everything you wrote is also spot on with my experience.

@SaintSovereign

People with the philosophizing mind also tend to have high flow factor (indicated by the fact that you mentioned getting results, even in recon / overexposure)

Yep, that’s me. I still get great results even in a bad recon.
I think that’s just the subs being unbelievably powerful though.

@SaintSovereign

Luckily, the solution is quite easy, but people don’t believe us when we say it. One loop. 30s. Like every 4-5 days. What people don’t understand is that in these situations, you will genuinely get better results with this because you won’t be locked in contemplation or recon and can actually express what you’re trying to change.

Lately I’ve been gravitating towards 2-4 rest days. It seems to work just as well, if not better, because the load is lighter while still being just as impactful.

[Sub.Zero]

Once gain, this is how overexposure and low-level recon affect us:

@Fractal_Explorer

So I’ll find a good microloop amount, run it consistently, then one day it’s like I just keep getting pulled internally. It’s like my ability to focus on the outer world diminishes and all energy is diverted internally. It’s not conscious, I can’t control it. it’s like a part of my mind is intensely focused on something else. For anyone who has ADHD it’s like hyperfocus, it’s like getting locked into something and being unable to switch gears. As far as I can tell, my mind is trying to solve an intricate puzzle or dissect things and it gets stuck. The problem is action doesn’t counterbalance it or relieve it for me. I just have to wait it out and eventually my mind goes back to not feeling like it’s being pulled in two different directions. Some days it can be so bad I just zone out for like 30 minutes or an hour. Like my brain is buffering and catching up.

Of course, only few people have that high transliminality level. However, overexposing and low-level recon concernes all of us. It’s only that people with high transliminality levels are more aware of what’s happening in their mind.

My reply:

@Sub.Zero

The thing is, your transliminality seems to be quite high. While this can be a significant advantage when working with powerful tools like subliminals, it can also become a disadvantage— and that seems to be the case for you. Your mind appears to struggle with the content delivered by the subs, which is always interpreted through the lens of our unique ZP.

In your case, due to your heightened transliminality, you’re able to absorb and process more of that content—but it may become overwhelming during the reconciliation and integration phases. I see two possible reasons for why you might feel overwhelmed when processing.

First, you might simply be overanalyzing the content and how it’s being reconciled and integrated. Second, this experience could be pointing to deeper underlying issues that need to be addressed before you’re able to process the current content more effectively.

If it’s overanalyzing, that could suggest a hyperactive mind. In this case, using sedative techniques or tools could be helpful in calming mental activity. If it’s deeper issues, then the best course would be to work on those first—either before continuing with your target scripting, or in parallel, using supportive methods (not necessarily subliminals) that can help you work through those issues.

Keep in mind that ZP fosters and amplifies transliminality. The only way to reduce that effect would be to go back to Q, but doing so would also mean giving up the powerful benefits that ZP offers—or switching to a different producer altogether.

@Adi Your transliminality might also be quite high, and when combined with a hyperactive mind, it may cause you to experience low-level recon more intensely than the average user. This is because there may be many intrusive thoughts and unsolicited emotions that, apart from being useless, disrupt your reconciliation cycle.

How the new recon tech might help with low-level recon:

@cryo424

I sense the new reconciliation technology allows for the entire reconciliation process to speed up and ultimately shorten in length. What I’ve noticed is that reconciliation seems to surface into conscious awareness much faster, while at the same time understood on a conscious level and reconciled in rapid succession. Reconciliation no longer lingers, it executes immediately allowing you to move thru it quickly.

When it comes to hyperactive mind, sedative techniques and emptying your mind should help a lot.

Of course, moderating your subliminal input is key.

How it goes for me on the new recon tech when I stop overexposing:

@Sub.Zero

On the fourth day of my washout, I see a huge shift in my focus—from thorough introspecting, reconciling, and integrating to executing and improving my ‘external baseline.’ The difference in that regard is much more pronounced than it was on the older tech.