From the perspective of trauma specialists like Peter Levine (who coined pendulation), Stephen Porges (Polyvagal Theory) and others in the field, the body has to feel safe first in order to release trauma, it’s the foundation for any trauma release. Trauma is stored throughout the nervous system and body as incomplete survival responses, affecting muscles, fascia, posture, autonomic regulation etc. Supporting the body’s felt sense of safety is essential when healing trauma
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That’s the axis of pendulation — the sense of safety within the whole psychosomatic system. For this reason, I suggested focusing on strengthening “the container” (the whole system). By that, I didn’t mean building muscles or simply healing/developing the nervous system, but rather permeating the entire system with a deep, visceral sense of safety and stability, which are crucial for growth (expansion) of the whole being.
The system struggles to grow while stuck in survival mode, being constantly triggered — let alone when growth is accelerated (by subs or any other modality that enables it).
Perhaps it all boils down to communicating to the whole system: Fasten your belt, babe, it’s going to be one hell of a ride — because the system is very capable of doing just that, priming itself for accelerated growth.
I believe you mentioned something similar in the past, @Fractal_Explorer
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I’m with you on the core — the system has to register safety before any meaningful release can happen.
‘Feeling safe’ isn’t always enough if the system doesn’t know how to hold that state or return to it after activation.
I’ve seen sympathetic rebound kick in — contraction, agitation, tension spike.
Not always from external threat, but often from the system bracing against a shift toward parasympathetic regulation it hasn’t yet learned to trust.
That might be resistance. Or it might be a system gripping to preserve control — not because safety is absent, but because the felt sense of softening still doesn’t register as safe.
Until the system can metabolize safety and anchor it as trustworthy, release remains blocked — and growth can’t unfold.
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Yes, I see it as making the whole system feel safe and stable on a visceral level (strengthening the “container”) as its default state, where it responds to stimuli in a resilient and empowered way instead of reacting with contraction. That resilient and empowered response expands the system and propels its growth.
What we call subliminal results and report on the forum are usually mere signs of the powerful transformation happening underneath, and I would say they are a natural byproduct of our growth.
I can clearly see it now, as I’m strengthening my whole system with Earth, Focus 10 tape #2, and TRE. TRE has taken it to a whole new level. I don’t really entertain those results anymore, as they don’t matter when your aim is to transform your whole system in a way that makes it strong enough to tap into your real capabilities and express them autonomously — as a response to the world, not merely as a reaction.
At this point, the visceral sense of safety and stability within your entire system is so high that expressing what you’re truly capable of happens in a highly resilient, self-reliant, independent, and self-empowering way.
Pendulation is, in its essence, becoming comfortable with the uncomfortable, so to speak, to make it really simple to explain.
Pendulation, seen from the perspective of the anti-recon tech, would be gradually becoming comfortable (“safe”) with what’s uncomfortable (“unsafe”) in executing certain elements of the scripting that are outside your comfort zone.
That’s a massive shift in how we view the processing, integration, and execution of the scripting, mate. I see lots of implications in that shift that could help improve the tech even further — way further.
Here’s an idea guys, which I will definitely be testing:
Start your tre session and run your subs in the middle of it when good amount of tremors and energy flow is going on.
Why would you do that, mate?
I’d like to examine your rationale, as it could provide me with further insights. So, if you could, mate. Thanks
During TRE you’re in a deeply relaxed and open state on all levels, nervous system is relaxing and opening deeply so the subliminal input has a very good pathway to enter the field of our consciousness and start immediate integration on deeper levels within the system.
The TRE tremors are creating both a release of energy and a stimulation of the body, which is very good state to introduce new ideas(mental sub input) that will translate into new energetic pathways(emotional patterns habits) and new physical structure(nervous system/muscles,etc.).
Accelerated integration is what I’m thinking and have already experienced with doing pandiculation while listening to sub, but TRE is deeper and more potent so I’m convinced it can bring very good results when combined.
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I’m in that state after the exercise when my nervous system is integrating the changes. When the violent tremors stop, my body feels a kind of ping throughout that leads me into a really deep state of relaxation.
I’m experiencing something totally different now, as I’ve attained a very deep visceral sense of safety and stability throughout my entire system, thanks to Earth, TRE, and Focus 10 tape #2. It’s a powerful and undeniable transformation beneath the subliminal results I’m getting and beyond what the scripting could potentially offer.
It’s happening because I’ve massively strengthened my whole system — that deep visceral sense of safety and stability I mentioned — so the pendulations around my subliminal themes now happen faster and run much deeper.
The results line up with the themes but go beyond what the subs actually offer, because my potential within each theme exceeds the subs’ scope. In practice, the subs seem to kick the theme into motion and give me only these pieces that match my true potential, while leaving out the rest.
No problem — thanks to really effective pendulation, my inborn potential simply transcends the scripting and produces far better outcomes, because those outcomes emanate from the true me more than ever before, so to speak.
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Similar sentiment, but I think we’re taking different approaches
This is a good example of what I’m trying to avoid. This is the equivalent of the “fight” response which will cause me to swing back in the other direction of a trauma response.
I’ve learned for me there is no way to communicate this and get my system to understand. It has to be through example. Setting the expectation that tough times are ahead is enough for me to go into that contracted state.
Also unfortunately for me, safe situations trigger anxiety. I have a bad habit of expecting the worst when things are at their best.
It’s very much like the micro loop strategy, I have to work within the window of tolerance to enact change → have my system witness that change → then my system is more receptive to growth. There’s no real way of short cutting this process or enhancing it and I’ve found attempts to do that in the past has resulted in the opposite of what I want
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What you quoted was just venturing and I must agree with you that it could trigger our defense mechanisms.
The core concept was conveyed here:
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Appreciate the depth you’re bringing here, SoulFire — and I can see the optimism around layering and integration.
TRE opens the system wide — increasing sensitivity and reducing containment scaffolding, which compromises encoding safety if directives are introduced mid-discharge.
Injecting subliminals mid-tremor introduces dual activation: discharge + directive. That collision can scramble processing and stall both mechanisms.
Mid-tremor stacking creates a timing mismatch — discharge and directive collide before the system stabilizes.
The system’s exposed — but not yet buffered for safe encoding.
Integration tends to land more cleanly post-TRE — during parasympathetic rebound, when the system shifts into stabilization and receptivity.
That rebound phase marks the rhythm of pendulation — the system’s natural swing between activation and safety that makes integration possible without overwhelm.
Potency without containment is volatility. Sequence decides whether it integrates or destabilizes.
During TRE the nervous system is actively releasing and reorganizing, creating an open state for deep integration. Listening to subs during tremors can be a an optimal time for new patterns to be processed because the system is actively clearing old tension while expanding capacity for change.
Far from destabilizing, this tremor state enhances the system’s capacity for change, allowing accelerated integration of positive mental, emotional, and even physical patterns.
Just keep in mind that subs induce what’s called recon, which is nothing more than stress energy arising from shifts beyond what our psychosomatic system can handle, leading to inner physical contraction.
TRE, on the other hand, releases stress energy and improves pendulation in a way that fosters further expansion and growth.
In other words, causing contraction by inducing stress energy through subs while simultaneously trying to release that stress energy through TRE might confuse the entire system — and could even be perilous. Be careful, mate.
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I see it as TRE clears space and subliminal can plant new patterns right into the openness.
We can theorise all we want it doesn’t matter as much as practice, I will try it and report.
Labeling sub input as stress inducing is a stretch, but I get the idea.
I assume you want to do that to improve your subliminal results. Well, there are plenty of other things you can do that are safer and more effective than trying to figure out a combination like the one you’re talking about.
I do TRE 3–4 hours after running my stack, and I reap great benefits.
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This is not quite correct. When I said recon = stress, that was only one facet of recon – the lived and noticeable experience from the conflict between the ideal and that which exists. The somatic response to recon is unique to every individual, it is not uniform in the slightest. It is simply how a person deals with stress. It is important to notice that some people carry stress in the jaw, legs, throat, stomach, and some people don’t react somatically at all and it remains largely a mental / emotional phenomenon.
What we’re talking about here is stress management, not recon management. Recon requires resolution through inner engagement, expressed outwardly as “taking action.” When the ideal and the reality do not match, that conflict must be resolved or reconciled.
So yes, while recon can reflect into the body as somatic stress, and that stress can be partially alleviated through stretching, Yoga, Qigong, etc., the recon itself must be resolved through conscious action. The conscious mind must seize control of subconscious impulses and redirected toward the ideal. This is what truly resolves (or reconciles) the discrepancy between ideal and reality.
In other words, physical tension is the symptom of mental tension as they reflect each other. This is partially why people believe that resolving the physical tension will alleviate the mental tension, but the whole picture isn’t being grasped. It is not that these modalities inherently resolve the mental tension completely, but rather alleviates the bodily tension which allows the mental aspect to operate with a bit more clarity. And yet, the recon will persist, because the core issue – again, a discrepancy between the ideal and the reality – still remains.
You cannot stretch your way into becoming a millionaire. You cannot stretch your way into finding a soulmate. You cannot stretch your way into whatever the ideal is. You must become the ideal. Running a seduction sub and spending your entire focus on releasing tension from the body will not lead to success. It will actually lead into even more recon as you continue to run a title loaded with information about being out and about with attractive people.
While I enjoy reading these threads and watching people help each other, at the end of the day, this is still treating recon as some kind of symptom that must be eliminated rather than harnessed. Recon very much is information, like everything. Information that if one learns to understand, they will become exceptionally powerful because they can directly see the source of recon and can easily overcome it. In other words, you use the recon to fuel growth efforts.
The real question when experiencing recon is “why am I experiencing such a reaction to such a positive script?” This is why we started listed the “tools” in each title. It allows the individual to go through each feature and monitor their emotional response. Once the emotional trigger is identified, the individual can then take conscious action to alleviate it – and yes, stretching and relaxation can be part of that. But the core issue is still within.
As we observe the results of the anti-recon scripting, we see things like going for walks in the sun, cleaning up their work and living spaces (which I experienced just the other day, where spending a few hours deep cleaning resolved recon), listening to music, doing nothing, eating a good meal, etc. As much as we’d all like to think we can see a “pattern” here, that pattern would be inaccurate, because there’s no way to accurately predict how an individual can resolve their recon and thus the anti-recon scripting helps the user discover how to alleviate recon in their own manner. There is no single “universal” method that resolves recon.
Given that everyone is analyzing that which we have already achieved (diminished recon, actions that can resolve recon, recon resolving in real time), we personally see no reason to move in a different direction, or to impose any kind of control within the scripts, as the outward expression of the anti-recon is the individual’s natural response whether they realized it or not. I personally would’ve never linked deep cleaning my bathroom with the recon I was experiencing, but nonetheless, that is what occurred.
So again, recon cannot be limited to the somatic effects, as that is the outward expression of recon and not the source of recon itself. Recon is a natural phenomenon that occurs to most people everyday. Any time you have passed over for a promotion you thought you deserved, or dumped in a relationship you thought was solid, you experience reconciliation (the ideal does not match the reality), and this cannot be dealt with solely through the mechanism of alleviating bodily response.
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Yes, I can’t disagree — recon doesn’t boil down to just its somatic dimension. However, I consider it the most prevalent form after introducing the newest anti-recon tech (excluding Earth), and in many people’s cases, even overwhelming.
In my case — and not only mine — it was (until GLM and Earth were recently released) mostly about somatic responses. Handling emotional recon used to be an issue for me before ZP; as far as I remember, when I was running Emperor, my girlfriend could easily drive me crazy.
The “somatic layer” of our system seems to be the most dominant. Therefore, taking care of it with Earth and TRE eliminated my usual trauma response, which used to be significantly amplified whenever I was in recon. Recon became mostly somatic after the introduction of the anti-recon tech.
On my current stack (including Earth), together with TRE, all I do is ease into the experience and let it unfold. Taking action aligned with the scripting now feels as natural as breathing, since the somatic obstacle I mentioned is no longer there to ‘make me feel incapable,’ disabling me. In other words, I’m somatically comfortable with the discomfort caused by taking action aligned with the scripting, so to speak.
I’m no exception in that regard.
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One thing I noticed is that the act of resolving recon in the physical world can be as symbolic as processing things during dreams.
Or in other words, if you start seeing the whole physical world as nothing but a dream world too, then the strange ways and types of action that we sometimes do in order to resolve recon, start to make more sense. All of these actions are symbolic and conceptual representations of this recon resolve process.
This is the mindset of "none of the worlds (dream, physical, astral etc.) that I am experiencing, are actually objectively real, hence in ALL of these worlds the processing of things by my consciousness can happen in a symbolic and conceptual way.
The symbolic and conceptual processing appears in more crazy forms in the dream and astral worlds, because these worlds allow for more different things to happen. While in the physical world, only the things can happen that are allowed by the physical rules. Which is how we end up “flying with a pink pirate ship through a sea of lemon grass” in the dream world, while end up with just “cleaning our bathroom” in the physical.
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This whole post from Saint is pure gold to read and then read again… the more understanding you have, the more conscious tools you have.
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It is only coming across as the most prevalent because it is the most obvious and easiest to identify. The New Subliminal Experience’s foundation is based upon unveiling or revealing to the individual all that is holding them back. Since the anti-recon scripting is based upon and expands the NSE, then naturally the first thing many people would realize is that there is a connection between the body and mind.
We actually began to research this around December of 2024, as can be seen here:
And the original version of the anti-recon scripting solely relied on alleviating somatic response. However, what we found during testing is exactly as I said. Only minimal “good results” in regards to lessening recon. But as we’ve always observed, not everyone responds in the same way. Some respond energetically to subliminal audio (subtle energy moving through the body), others are strongly somatic in the sense they need to stretch. Others need to move. To dance. To cry. To contain emotion.
There are an infinite number of responses, none more prevalent than the others. When doing this kind of analysis, one cannot lock onto an idea and “make it true.” By this, I am referring to the natural inclinations of most people when researching the topic of subliminal audio to create a narrative first and then confirm the narrative. In this situation, given that we have a lot of data and information on this, I can confidently say that there are an equal amount of people who don’t report somatic response as those who do.
I would also point out that somatic response was not something openly reported (we had to look very closely to see it) until this topic came into the open discussion, and now more people are reporting it. The issue with this is that now the data becomes inherently skewed, because people are aware and looking at it. In the past, what we considered a strong result is something that was not as openly stated and yet people picked up on it anyway.
This is more difficult to achieve with our current tools-based modality, in which the entire script is summarized and presented as various tools. Now, people are going to look for these things and report it more. We chose to provide the individual with more information, even if it meant that the subtle connections we used to look for would be diminished (we keep saying that with ZPU, you’ll understand how this works). We prepared for it.
Now, none of this diminishes the helpful role that strategies like TRE and the such plays. In fact, as you can see from the thread I posted, I would advocate for it. Strategies that release tension in the body are potentially (I am still undecided) one of the only things that I would openly state to mix with our subliminal audio.
However, what I’m discussing does affect the notion of prevalence, which – in my opinion – is a data point or metric. And when we do our analysis of results, there are strict controls to prevent “dirty data” from messing up the analysis. As I’ve said before, that is the true “secret” of Subliminal Club. @Fire and myself are extremely adapt at seeing subtle patterns and connections within large sets of disparate data and then drawing complex, yet precise conclusions.
Now, I don’t want anyone to think that I am being harsh on anyone. I am not. The strategies being discussed here have the potential to become extremely helpful. What’s happening is as many people use the cognitive enhancement titles, or through their own efforts without subs, they are now wanting to delve deep into their own Zero Point and learn how they truly work, with the title serving as a catalyst.
My only goal here is to inform, inspire and educate on the nature of Zero Point itself. When dealing with that subject – as someone who has done this for a long time – the only way you can find success is through universality. What are the things that truly link us together as people, what is the relationship between collective and individual?
And so, we observe the outer and seek deeper meaning. I gave this example before.
If I ask, what is this? Some of you will say a television. Others will say it’s entertainment. @Fire and I would say that is glamour and illusion – there is nothing that comes across this screen that is depicted exactly as it happened. It has been edited multiple times, color graded, reviewed by large teams of people who approve a certain message.
For us, the “mystery” of recon is hidden in what I just said, and thus we can respond accordingly if necessary.
EDIT: So yes, if everyone wants to work with TRE, the concepts of contraction, etc. that is being discussed here, please do and report back. I don’t know about those focus tapes that @Sub.Zero is using, I highly recommend NOT MIXING our titles with these. However, efforts on understanding the tension in the body and how that relates to the mind is very good.
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