Main Disc. Thread - Khan ZP

[Luther24]

@Martin

Great review, can you do a review of Khan to understand how different it is from Primal Seduction?

I just started Khan… so for a full review of it, you’ll have wait at least a year. Lol

You shouldn’t need a review to differentiate between Khan and Primal Seduction.

Primal Seduction turns you into the primal seducer by combining inner game (Primal) and outer game (S&S). This turns you into a masculine sexual man, who is skilled in the art of seduction.

Khan… is the most comprehensive Alpha Male program ever created.

It might help you to better understand Khan, by how it compares with Emperor.

Saint’s breakdown of Khan vs Emperor:

@SaintSovereign

four stagers allows us to delve deeper into concepts that we normally wouldn’t be able to with a single stage. I’ll use an analogy. The high school I attended had “preparation tracks.” There were 3 or 4 of them, each designed for a different purpose. If you wanted to go to a state university right out of high school, there was one track you could take. If you were planned on going to junior college / community college (where only associate degrees are offered), you took another track, and so forth.

The “University” track required you to take Calculus I, II and III. The “Junior College” track only required a class called “Survey of Calculus,” which introduced you to the concepts from Calc I, II, and III, but didn’t delve deep into the subjects. In fact, it was more overview and discussion than actual practice.

This is similar to Khan vs. Emperor. Emperor – as powerful as it is – is still an “overview,” compared to a four stager like Khan. That doesn’t mean that Emperor lacks deep concepts – it does, but naturally, we can’t spend nearly as much time on those concepts as we could with four full stages. Emperor is a really detailed “Cliff’s Notes,” while Khan is the actual course.

If you have time and want to become the ultimate sexually dominant badass while experiencing a deep and broad growth in all levels of your life/self, then I’d run Khan.

If you want to become pro-active with your dating life, then run Primal Seduction.

It all depends on what you’re prioritizing and what your goals are.

The Khan archetype is a primal seducer, but it’s far more than that. The sexual and social dominance is dialed to the absolute maximum.

With Primal Seduction, I’m able to be super liberated in my primal sexuality while being a natural with women. I can create sexual abundance in my life, but that’s about it. The extent of my growth is capped. I need a broader and more comprehensive development/growth which is why I’ve started Khan.

My theory as I’m running it, is that Khan takes primal sexuality/power/social dominance and allows you to live your entire life through that filter. It’s the most complete liberation of man.

Primal Seduction focuses on sexuality/dominance in a niche of self/reality. It’s for a specific purpose. It’s more narrow and specialized. It doesn’t express itself through your entire reality, it expresses itself through a part of reality.

It’s a tool to become better at seducing women through learning and not being afraid to learn while tempering that with your wild, inner sexual nature. It’s not meant for overall growth and development of a man on all levels.

Just because I can get laid all the time with beautiful women doesn’t mean that I’m the best, most powerful, most confident, most attractive, most charismatic, most masculine and most socially dominant version of myself, etc. There are an infinite number of things to improve upon and that’s the game of life. The growth never stops…

[Palpatine]

Reading Khan’s Objectives sold me on running full Khan stacked with my money custom.
As soon as the custom is in my hands, I’ll be doing that.

I’ve been running Wanted, S&S and Chosen lately. Great stack. A woman friend even said today that I’m “just like a guy. Take 12 hours to respond and then it’s one-word answers.”

Another said “You’re hot and cold lately.”
So Wanted definitely works, but my custom is Emperor and EoG4…I’ll be stacking that with Khan stages. Not sure if/what a 3rd sub might be. PCC perhaps.

Khan, here I come.

[Pilkington]

Question for you guys i’d appreciate your input on.

How do you personally define the Dominance talked about so much in the description of Khan?

For some reason, probably wrongly so, i’ve always viewed dominance as a negative trait, every situation I can remember where some guy has been trying his hardest to come across as dominant he’s actually just been viewed as insecure, I seem to attach the need to be dominant as just lack of confidence in yourself.

Reason I ask is that i’m currently running just Wanted and would like to include a second sub for profound inner growth. Above all else I value freedom, the freedom to go where i want, when i want
and just simply be myself, that includes standing up for myself if anyone tries to impede that freedom of expression.

I’m torn between Primal and Khan. Primal specifically mentions being free so maybe lines up more with my goals, but I like the sound of Khan’s long journey and going through multiple stages of development.

I’d just really appreciate your opinions, I want to keep my love for freedom and independence whilst not becoming that jerk obsessed with being the most alpha guy in the room.

[Lion]

@Pilkington

How do you personally define the Dominance talked about so much in the description of Khan?

First, the textbook definition of Dominance is to have power and influence over others.

@Pilkington

For some reason, probably wrongly so, i’ve always viewed dominance as a negative trait, every situation I can remember where some guy has been trying his hardest to come across as dominant he’s actually just been viewed as insecure, I seem to attach the need to be dominant as just lack of confidence in yourself.

This is a valid concern. In fact, I would go as far as to say that this is even a good concern. Because it shows that you value not being a bully.

@Pilkington

Reason I ask is that i’m currently running just Wanted and would like to include a second sub for profound inner growth. Above all else I value freedom, the freedom to go where i want, when i want
and just simply be myself, that includes standing up for myself if anyone tries to impede that freedom of expression.

And this freedom is what you will get with Khan.

Let me explain from personal experience. I was the typical nice guy when I started Khan 3 years ago. I craved freedom and abundance.

Those 2 I have yet to work on but what I did get was oodles of Masculinity and Dominance.

Masculinity is easier to accept for men (debatable in this day and age I know). It implies self-discipline, stoicism, masculine energy, ambition, etc (all the traits described in Godlike Masculinity).

What is Dominance though? It is the natural outcome of your rise in status. Where when you dominate your life, others want to be like you and will look to you for help and guidance.

This isn’t necesssrily a bad thing but an equal value exchange. You are the leader and you teach your followers to be leaders in due time.

To dominate others is to have authority through knowledge, experience, competence, confidence and power. Can this be misused? Yes. But that is when the exchange of value isn’t equal. Where you take, take and take even more from others and don’t give any value in return.

Being Dominant is natural for the strong for they realize that people need to see strength in action. And that is where you show them what a leader is like by your example.

When you are strong, masculine and dominant, you are free to express yourself. No one will be able to take away your freedom because you are above them in fearlessness (although you do have to check with yourself for humility in order to be able to learn and grow).

@Pilkington

I’m torn between Primal and Khan. Primal specifically mentions being free so maybe lines up more with my goals, but I like the sound of Khan’s long journey and going through multiple stages of development.

Khan is an extension of Primal, the wild and free man. You can’t go wrong starting with Primal and doing it for a couple of months. After which you do Khan. Khan. Be even more Primal. More Mogul. More Sex and
Seduction.

@Pilkington

I’d just really appreciate your opinions, I want to keep my love for freedom and independence whilst not becoming that jerk obsessed with being the most alpha guy in the room

Don’t worry too much about this. As long as you journal while running Khan and be a little self-aware, you will be able to be the alpha without having to be a jerk.

The association of jerk being an alpha comes from the jerk’s ability to get girls and bully others. But this is a short-term advantage since due to a lack of self-improvement and massive ego, the jerk ends up being unattractive and dominated by a bigger bully or a KHAN.

Choose to be the Khan. Dominate your reality and take what is yours!

EDIT: I would recommend you having atleast some level of financial success and your own residence before running Khan. Else you won’t be able to make full use of it.

[Pilkington]

This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks for such a detailed response man

[Simon]

@Pilkington

trying his hardest to come across as dominant
…
the need to be dominant

@Lion

to have power and influence

The difference. Want/Need vs Have/Is.

The other side of the Dominance coin is Submission.

What kind of man will people willingly submit to?

The kind of man who’s judgement and decisions people trust, because they know that he understands them, and cares for them.

That is Khan.

When you go all the way with it.

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@Simon

I have Clarity, Maturity, a relaxed undercurrent of Power.

@Simon

K4 ZP is bringing Wisdom to my approach. I’m now using Systems Thinking principles to make decisions …

This is a bit too mature for a social dominant archetype.

[Houdini]

Does I Am also have removal of negative subliminal programming such as with Khan total breakdown?

[Lion]

@Houdini

Does I Am also have removal of negative subliminal programming such as with Khan total breakdown?

Possible but best to enter a support ticket for that answer.

[Martin]

@Luther24

the best, most powerful, most confident, most attractive, most charismatic, most masculine and most socially dominant version of myself, etc

That’s a good summary for Khan.

[Ice]

@Luther24

My theory as I’m running it, is that Khan takes primal sexuality/power/social dominance and allows you to live your entire life through that filter. It’s the most complete liberation of man.

Primal Seduction focuses on sexuality/dominance in a niche of self/reality. It’s for a specific purpose. It’s more narrow and specialized. It doesn’t express itself through your entire reality, it expresses itself through a part of reality.

Just as @Luther24 has stated the importance of an alpha foundation for proper execution of subs like Wanted, I suspect a foundation of Primal Seduction will serve your Khan journey quite well.

Certainly, the progression of the stages particularly Stage 1 will help to facilitate this journey into becoming a Khan, but having that foundation of sexuality / dominance from using Primal Seduction will set the stage for a much easier execution of Khan’s script.

[GoldenTiger]

I can’t agree with you more

@Ice

alpha foundation for proper execution of subs like Wanted

I’m back on Khan St1 for that purpose. I don’t have big plans or anything, but I find myself a bit unconfident in myself after coming back from depression. The bad thoughts are gone, but I have accumulated beliefs some self fulfilling prophecies in the past two years.

Just today I was thinking about some shit that happened to me during that time that might of changed my way of thinking, making me feel like I’m worth less than I am. That’s the first loop of Khan St1’s effect. I’ll keep running it for more time. Last run I did changed me and I am now ballzy enough to apply at Deloitte (which I got a first interview). I would for sure not have that belief after my depression without Khan St1.

Now I want to clear more shit, and I wonder how much time I must stay with it, but I’ll see how I feel.

[Houdini]

See my introspection of I Am at @Michel’s fireplace.

Does it remind you of the workings of Total Breakdown? Or is your experience different?

Oh and also trauma develops over prolonged time of remaining in a painful experience of a very shocking and intense negative experience momentarily.

In the first category you will not experienced ptsd or panic attacks and you will easily be able to step out of it (depression) if you can remove yourself from that experience and the more you remove and distance yourself the brighter your reality will once again become.

You will find this brightness more and more as Total Breakdown CRUSHES those believes attaching you to this painful reality.

[Houdini]

I concur with luther this person’s feelings are incongruent with the manner in which he acts showcasing his illusions out in the open.

There is no weight, nor power, calm, and all other traits of a masculine man within the feeling of his body so he cannot move reality as the “alpha male” does.

If this power is not present within that person and is judged by outside reality it loses control on the inside resulting into outside toxicity for trying to impose a reality on the outside which is not as yet fully true on the inside.

I’m sure a lot of the scripting is in zp though because it changes the inside so that the outside cannot help but to conform.

Simply put if you change the weather in skies, life and experience on the ground will be either colourful or sluggish (and the other way around). I’m sure most prefer sunshine over a thrilling storm and windy rushes of cold weather at the darkest night of winter time?

The shaman would change the energy on the ground to change that of the skies but is this the best approach considering the sky is higher and above the ground and earth?

[Martin]

@Luther24
Where do your theories come from? Where did you get your model of reality? Which book/video/ressource? You may PM if you dont want to share here.

[Sage_Ninjistic]

@Martin

Where do your theories come from?

Based off of the context of the posts of his that I’ve read, the content of his posts come from personal observation.

[Palpatine]

Experienced Khan users:

Does Total Breakdown cause immediate sexual results? I always just assumed that it was all about removing all beliefs relevant to Khan’s purposes, so that ST2 (Total Programming) could put good programming in.

Been running Khan1, EoG1 and Emperor for the past 3-4 days (no rest days yet. Just been running it daily). Tonight, the wife got all coy and said “I’m gonna go shave my legs and have a bath”…which means she wants sex.

It was pretty damn mind-blowing. Won’t get into TMI other than to say we have to clean 2 sheets, a waterproof mattress protector, and spray the mattress.

Does ST1 do that, or did it just start removing bad gunk getting in the way of expressing my natural Khandom?

[pacman]

@Palpatine

Been running Khan1, EoG1 and Emperor for the past 3-4 days

1. Khan Stage 1 has removed sexual blocks and Emperor replaced the sexual scripting and the aura.

2. Could possibly be the amount of confidence you extrude now via Emperor.

[Palpatine]

Seems very fast. I mean if that’s the case, I’ll take it. Just not what I expected to happen this fast.

[Apollo]

It did for me. I noticed an improvement with my performance, increased touching and got jumped more often.

A few IOI’s from strangers got notably blatant, but I didn’t notice much when I was having some recon and turbulence.

I enjoyed ST1, but ST2 was fun as well. You’ll feel like Don Draper.

Enjoy brother

[jaguar]

@FoxDie

Personally I have trouble knowing what to say when I talk to a girl, someone solved this?

this means that on a deeper level you care about her approval so you feel good with yourself. it’s a common problem for beginners. it’s very simple. just talk to her the way you’d talk to anyone else that you just met (for the beginning that’s enough. then you can switch to other more efficient ways that are more advanced) . 99% of girls have the same problem so you have to be the guy that helps them relax and open up. i recommend you start with ascension and primal seduction first in order to build a high self esteem (ascension) and learn seduction faster (primal seduction). if you want specific content about seduction that is proven to work on many girls, just tell me.