I only notice results after they accumulated for some time. At a point it’s “Oh, I’ve changed a lot”.
For me it’s like taking the train to your holiday destination, falling asleep and only waking up in major cities. But you miss the beautiful landscape in between.
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The problem is that I had to take a huge leap of faith and just keep listening.
Not easy, when everyone else seems to be getting results from one loop. Or feeling the difference between subs.
And I got nothing.
I’m not sure how many people can actually do that. Kind of amazed that I did.
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I totally relate. It often takes me months to a year with a set title or stack to attain the results I’m looking for… but I do get them
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It would seem so, however – if one were to experience a “good” form of recon, this would be it, because you are clearly attempting to work through an internal issue by externalizing in the form of questions. That’s a “seeking” action, and one seeks to resolve imbalance. Believe it or not, these types of discussions do indeed qualify as “taking action.”
Anyway, to answer the question – one of the things people have to remember is that we are forced, by nature of the company’s global customer base, to create an experience that can be used and enjoyed by ALL. While theoretically, more “in your face” results could lead to faster development, said faster development almost ALWAYS (and we know this for a fact, for we have observed it ALOT) comes with destabilization – a very intense experience. Consider the fact that once you shatter a very deep world view or internal issue, your world will metaphorically “drop from under your feet.”
The goal with more “subtle” results is providing you with consistent and steady progress that eventually leads to major leaps over time. This avoids destabilization, and believe it or not, will get you to your intended outcome much faster, since you’re not dealing with perpetual recon. What everyone tends to forget, is that these titles were actually developed for long-term runs – like a year.
Those who have done this will attest – there’s a period where results aren’t as prominent, but are consistent. This is the stage where you see those individuals reporting things that many would consider minor, or not a “true” result. Things like dreams, or minor synchronicities that seem to appear outside of them (finding money, people paying them small amounts back, extra head nods at work). The kinda stuff that honestly, more critical people would dismiss as placebo.
Then, comes the time when the individual begins to doubt themselves, thinks about changing stacks, results seem to slow down. The inner test here is one of resilience and consistency – a test that what we call the subconscious itself seems to deliver, almost as if it’s a protective measure (are you attempting to grow in a manner that is truly authentic to you). As such, this isn’t a form of recon that we would want to attempt to bypass (if it’s even possible), as this usually signals an upcoming breakthrough, and you want to work with this “recon” with as much sagacity as possible, because the deeper you understand what’s happening, the better the breakthrough.
Then comes the breakthrough. The person realizes something about themselves that they never knew before, and whether they continue with the stack, or even subliminal audio itself ends up opening opportunities and viewpoints that they weren’t capable of seeing before. New “paths of manifestation” begins to emerge, and their new inner system begins to externalize. If the breakthrough was reached through steady, consistent means, we avoid the destabilization effect and instead the individual feels motivated, with a deeper sense of internal power.
If they continue with the inner work, the process then repeats from the start. Subtle, building to a breakthrough. The thing is, with each cycle, what one calls “subtle” changes, as the individual is now capable of experiencing more “in your face” results without it causing destabilization. You’ve seen individuals run titles, get incredible results and then externalize their lack of inner self-worth by then questioning the nature of the subliminal audio industry itself. And they do so usually through the lens of religion and spirituality, which makes sense, as people rely on that to make sense of that which isn’t easily understood – a paradox really, since spirituality for most people is a mystical process that intentionally defies logic (but I digress).
What these individuals aren’t recognizing is that the subliminal didn’t “install” the ability to perform within them, but rather helped bring out their innate ability to achieve whenever the irrational fears and emotions of the mind are brought under control. But if a person has a very poor self-image, what tends to happen (again, based on our experience with our titles, we are not claiming this process occurs with anything else), their shadow begins to emerge – the unresolved, unhealed parts of the self – and the people will project that onto others, who will mirror their own trauma back at them, reaffirming the cycle they’ve create.
And rest assured, any subliminal audio title or modality of healing (including things like Yoga and Qigong), when pushed to constant intensity will result in these types of things. Consistent, steady growth, however, assures a positive end result as long as the individual takes action to help move things along.
So, while things may feel “slow” at first and the individual may desire to “experience more,” the truth is the matter is that as long as you are getting results – no matter how small – you are still progressing toward those larger results, but you are doing so in a manner that assures that you are building a strong inner foundation and framework before trying to take on anything that would leave you destabilized. Not only does this give you powerful and potent long-term benefits, but it also assures that the titles can remain universally used by anyone regardless of their current stage of growth. This is why we create Artisan titles – those who have developed the capacity to handle them can do so.
I’ve recognized that like myself, you seem to have a very strong pattern making ability. The ability to synthesize information from seemingly disparate sources. Turn that discriminating ability at the various synchronicities, patterns and cycles that occur in your life. Journal about it privately (since this type of really deep inner work seems to work better when your externalized thoughts are considered "sacred) and try to see what your own mind is reflecting outward. This will allow you to decide which patterns and cycles you want to break or change, then base whatever action you want to take on that.
Just a quick analysis of what you’ve written, this seems linked to the “FOMO” issues you were bringing up earlier this year (I think). It appears that you’ve worked through some of that, and now you’re getting down to the deeper issues of the nature of your own impatience. Consider seeing this as a remarkable breakthrough, from thinking about this as just “FOMO,” to now being able to understand your own mental processes and how they lead to a sense of impatience – which could be keeping you from reaching your maximum potential.
The majority of people in society (referring to those who are not engaging in deep inner work) do not possess this ability, which is one of the issues we’re experiencing in the world. Everyone is projecting their own shadow on everyone else and attempting to resolve it through force and violence rather than through self-evaluation. And this is a universal concept even spoken by the great avatars. I’ll give an example from Christianity, which is the only religion I am comfortable citing, since it’s the one I am most familiar with (but again, we respect all traditions, merely making a point here):
Matthew 7:3-5
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
While many here would simplify Christ’s statement here, I would argue that thematically, what he is suggesting is very familiar (if not a veiled message) of what in the modern age, people refer to as the “law of reflection,” that the “speck” in the brother’s eye is the projection of the “beam” in one’s own eye.
Now, this doesn’t mean that people aren’t actually doing negative things to you at times or that you are to blame for people’s wrongdoings. But what it does suggest is that a lot of what we experience is the byproduct (or perhaps, eventuality) of our own unresolved trauma and ingrained negative habits.
And thus, consistent and steady progress – however slow – eventually leads to breakthrough, clarity and eventually what one would call “more obvious results.”
… with some people, that is. With others (like myself), the results become more internal and harder to even externalize to others. I still cannot describe my RoW experience outside of “an emerging sense of detachment from transient ideas like ‘success’ and ‘popularity,’ which somehow has lead to leaps in cognition, consciousness and my ability to make better titles.”
And this for me, was intense and in some ways, painful because it was a total shattering of past worldviews. I bring this up to point out that if the results turn inward like this and the outward expression is something like enhanced creativity, that can also been seen as a “deep result.”
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Awesome post and very in line with my experience, especially with the newer subs. Subtle, gradual results, to the point where I stop over analyzing everything and looking for results to show up left and right, continuing to trust the process, and then a few months down the line it’s like BOOM breakthrough and I either realize how much progress ive made, or an experience occurs, whether it’s a manifestation, or verbal confirmation from someone I know close that confirms the progress and changes.
Also to add, with the NSE and results coming more subtly, it’s actually helped me to stick to stacks more long term, as I know to really see those breakthroughs it’s a minimum 3-6 month process, and switching stacks is just going to extend that.
Another nice feature with this, is that while the results are less obvious at first, the recon is as well. This has been great, because in the past I used to have issues running seduction type subs while focusing on sales as it would throw off my vibe and actions, but with a more gradual integration of the archetype this seems to be much less of an issue.
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Do you find this works better with keeping the whole stack stable or do you have this effect with titles individually?
I feel this effect works on a title basis for me.
Do you see this as a fulfillment of the result you were looking for in running RoW or a totally unexpected one that fills a desire/need you didn’t know you had?
Like, was there conscious intent in that, or the unfolding effect of a transformation you didn’t expect?
I imagine that revelation titles may lead more to discovering the unknown, while non-revelation titles may result in more intent-based transformation, whether internal or external.
Also, are subs set up to experience massive or rapid shifts in results and progress, or is the nature of the scripting/builds incremental and steady?
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I’m kind of living in a very right-brained state at the moment, and I’m not translating my thoughts into a more balanced form.
Anyway, I’m thinking that many slownesses are more apparent than actual.
The age-old symbol of unchanging stability or gradual, stately movement is Earth itself.
Yet, we have learned over many generations that, relative to its solar systemic context, Earth is speeding along at 100,000 kilometers per hour.
In other words, it’s faster than anything else that we’re going to experience, yet in our experience, it seems not to be moving at all.
And I’m thinking that there are lessons in this and much value in this.
Vis-à-vis us, one of the many functions of Earth is to provide a stable foundation, Ground, and sense of home and Place.
It goes through 10 million changes, but allows us to feel that things are the same. Almost like a protective parent who avoids talking to their 6 year old about the financial stresses of the family and of the annual tax payments.
‘Let them be a kid for a while.’
Later, as the child grows, they’ll come to a greater understanding and appreciation of just how much was moving and changing the entire time, in order to maintain the perceived stability of their family and home.
As they say, there is much movement within stillness, and stillness within movement. More than just platitudes, these are literal truths.
The 67000 mph speed of the Earth’s flight is a ‘Subtle Phenomenon’.
But what makes it subtle is my mind, my understanding, my perceptions.
In and of itself, there is nothing subtle about a 5.972 × 10²¹ metric ton (the weight of our planet) rocky mass zooming at 67,000 miles per hour.
But this incredibly graceful giant ballerina does it in a way that makes us all feel so snug and secure that we’re actually “bored” and feel that “nothing is happening”.
Well, nothing except for ‘Spring Summer Fall Winter…’. (And I guess we’ll see more of what that can mean very shortly.)
Subtlety does not mean smallness. It doesn’t mean nothing is happening. It does not even mean that the entire Universe is not changing.
It refers mostly to the gradual deepening, development, evolution, and nuancing of my/our degrees of Perception.
‘Subtlety’ is movement beyond the edge of my perceptual capacity.
that movement can be grand and breath-taking. It can be world-changing.
But by virtue of being at and beyond my limits. It will appear to be tenuous and slight.
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There will be a book of a compilation of your posts one day as the new philosophy and wisdom of our era
I know you have the humility to take that lightly but seriously the level of thinking is so refreshing
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Saint, thank you very much for taking the time to write this extensive reply for me (and others).
This has been very helpful, and again, I learned a lot of new things, especially that self-induced inner test for resilience and consistency.
I experienced this many many times and now with that explanation it makes even more sense to me.
And now that I am fully aware of this, it will be able to push through these self-induced “frame tests” with much more faith and resilience 
I will also increase my journaling.
With regards to “impatience”, WB uncovered to me that it is a form of seeking external results and seeking validation, i.e. needy behavior and desperately craving for obvious results. This now makes sense, since I cannot become a wanted man by being impatient and craving for things to manifest at the same time. That impatience is neediness in disguise. Someone who truly lives in abundance cannot be impatiently waiting for something to arrive.
Aligns perfectly with what @Malkuth wrote earlier today too:
@Niles
I think this would the same as what Vadim Zeland metaphorically calls this “the swinging back of the pendulum”, right?
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@SaintSovereign mind-blown 
, I feel invigorated from reading it, thank you so much for sharing all this information it brought so many things to may awareness and gives so much reassurance. It almost felt as if it answers many questions I had on my mind just the last two nights and while reading it I became very emotional (a difficult time thing for me lately, the most heart-breaking situations would occur right in front of me and my entire world may shatter and I just simply stare and observe, no emotional response whatsoever as I just engage myself with what is truly necessary in that moment).
So this entire post of yours, and reading it, was almost an alchemical process for me as I noticed how it was releasing something deep inside of me.
It almost felt like a collective manifestation to my personal reconciliation process. I do run New Alchemist so the energetic healing manifestations may have something to do with that.
Logically the words themselves are valueable but something behind the entire post, an energetic imprint that I have chosen to absorb has just brought about a certain deep relief and a knowing that deep change is currently unfolding within myself.
Not to mention the dreams I am having right now are truly cinematic and out of this world.
Feeling a sense of extreme gratitude right now!
The future is bright! All that we sometimes need is the deeper inner belief and assurance that we can just feel where we know that a new possibility and a new reality is out there for us, and waiting for us to step into. All it requires is the awareness within of that possibility which makes the jump or leap possible.
It its core belief has a huge role to play in this as we all unconsciously prevent good things from coming to us and manifesting in our lives because of our deeply rooted beliefs about ourselves and what we can accept as possibilities for us.
Those people who make money easily, for example, while others deeply struggle to even have that extra in the month, usually have a deeply ingrained belief that they just deserve wealth and money leading to unusual circumstances where is just seems to flow in their life naturally and effortlessly, as if by magic.
This is also projected in their behaviour where they feel worthy enough to strike amazing business deals or can talk about huge sums of money when they may even be physically poor at that moment. But the sense of wealth comes from deep within them, they are rich already… deep inside of themselves where they feel worthy to be rich and because of that live a rich inner life where everything is possible for them. If this is not the case you won’t even allow yourself to imagine earning a whole lot and instantly put it off as impossible, stopping all power and potential of it ever becoming a reality.
Most if not all successful people always say that you must just believe in it! If you can see it and you can believe it enough to speak it, it will happen as Conor Mcgregor would say and he was tapping into some universal truth as he cracked Jose Aldo straight to the surface of the concrete in the octagon exactly and with minute detail to how he emotionally charged that visualisation for weeks up to that fight.
The human being is truly capable of great things, all that has to happen is for the deep programs and limitations to be uninstalled and a new software of limitless and infinite possibilities to be programmed into us. Now we will suddenly think of, visualise, imagine and especially feel an inner state of being that will eventually lead to far more wonderful realities, all of our own-making, because we have chosen to accept to see beyond the collective world-view and believe in something beyond the now oh so prevalent wall of self-constriction.
And if enough people can do this, society will change forever…
And this manifestation process I have seen it so many times even with myself, where people just believe, think, feel and speak reflecting a certain reality within themselves it just eventually exactly unfolds like that in their lives. Especially if it is a long-term thing or cycle which makes it all the stronger to break. But in the end all of this is maya, it looks and it feels real and you experience it but it is nothing more but a subjective illusion externalised into our own reality.
Society is filled with this kind of negative spell-casting where a whole network of people feed into negative realities and collectively make them valid.
In the end all changes start in the mind and the minds of the people, what we can do for those around us by changing ourselves is huge. This is also why Jesus was the exemplar, he exemplified his teachings and taught through his own way of life, removing all sense of hypocrisy as whatever he preached he lived and whatever he lived for worked for him, no pretentiousness whatsoever as he was truly a humble human being while having a spirit and impact that is still felt today.
Another reason why patience is so essential and to hold on tight on some new idea in the mind until it starts to sprout! Whatever that idea may be, if given enough time and patience it eventually will start to shape our lives accordingly and this is the power of the unconscious mind as it is self-sustaining and requires little effort, but whatever is ingrained in their manifests beyond the control of the conscious self. It will just mirror itself in our world.
Like how all our organs are now functioning, all our cells are sustaining themselves and our whole organism is effortlessly functioning without even a single thought of the conscious mind whatsoever. Imagine we had to perform all these functions consciously, not even one human being would be able to survive as the most critical organs of the human body would not be attended to, and the entire thing would collapse.
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All this post did was reinforce my decision that DRR was the right move for me before getting to the cool fun titles.
Thanks @Sub.Zero for putting me on.
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The unfolding experience, aided by WB—and especially its NSE component—is one of the best examples of how one becomes more aligned with their Zero Point (more aligned with who they truly are) and begins to tap into the vast potential stored in their unknown self.
The thing is, the ‘archetype’ portrayed in the sales copy—and the expectations echoed on the forums, fueled by the ‘in-your-face’ results reported by some users—actually endanger the very element that’s vital for growth through the unfolding experience, namely:
because they create fantasies that one easily succumbs to—and then lets them take the lead on their journey. A fatal mistake.
One must understand that these fantasies need to be forsaken in order to open up to—and attune with—the unfolding experience and connect with their inner wisdom. Inner wisdom is what guides us through the unfolding experience, and it deepens as we align with it. That’s what truly matters—not chasing the fulfillment of fantasies, which are nothing more than needy expectations and petty desires that interfere with, limit, and hinder our growth.
Every subliminal audio based on Zero Point opens us up and helps us attune to the unfolding experience and connect with our inner wisdom—each in its own unique way, shaped by the interplay between us (our mind and reality) and the scripting.
WB is truly special in this regard, as it opens us up and helps us attune to that aspect of the unfolding experience which involves interacting with women and sharing the unfolding experience with them. The key point is that our inner wisdom—specifically that part of it related to the objectives of WB—deepens as we gradually align with the unfolding experience. In other words, we grow organically, as illustrated in the example below:
Feeding one’s fantasies related to WB and growing impatient with the unfolding experience not only ‘insults’ our inner wisdom—by disconnecting us from it and hindering its growth—but also endangers the unfolding experience itself. It causes people to fail the very test of consistency and resilience described by @SaintSovereign, a test that is essential for the development of our inner wisdom.
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All kinds of sages gathering here to share their wisdom lol
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The process was already occurring, starting quite some time ago, but it wasn’t nearly as profound as it is now. I consciously wanted to transcend certain societal concepts, but I’m guessing there were some deep blockages and / or issues that needed to be resolved before I could really dive in. RoW helped me “rip off the band-aid” so I could dive in headfirst. It’s definitely a result that’s unique to my personal lifepath.
The NSE is adaptive. It operates at the level that the individual can handle safely. The more action taken, the more “blockages cleared,” the more rapid the results.
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Tell me, good squire… Does the moon whisper secrets of a midnight unveiling? Or shall I, like a watchful owl, keep vigil 'til dawn in vain? Might this be the eve the spell is cast?.
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Since you guys are coming up on June 14th over there, I’m just going to leave this commentary of chapter 25 of the Tao te ching here. It’s equally applicable to two possible events that could unfold tomorrow. One of them being TLTB 
https://www.taoistic.com/taoteching-laotzu/taoteching-25.htm
I don’t whisper anything. I yell that shit.
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I don’t think this is optimal for the majority of the user base.
I’m guessing most people who comes to subliminals are looking for change, and I’m not sure how many users are reading on the forum so much to find gems like these.
At the end of the day, I think it can be detrimental for someone to not “feel” anything, especially for users who don’t spend much time on the forum and who would just say “It doesn’t work” and start using a competitor’s program just because they didn’t feel anything. They would miss out on a lot without knowing.
In my humble opinion, the best course of action would be to boost some of the “feel” (so that users can feel something, feel results), boost self awareness so users can cope better with change.
I don’t know how feasible this idea is, but I think the “in your face” feeling subliminal can bring still has value and we should not disregard it completely.
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I’ve started using subclub subs only since ZP and in my experience every sub I have tried, apart from my more recent experience with revelation style scripting, has been very much ‘in my face’.
These programs are potent and effective as they are, and the way they are scripted and how scripting is evolving seems to be in the direction of handing out more responsibility to the user for growth and less as a crutch pushing you in one direction, which makes growth more seamless and organic, more real and authentic.
Subliminals are just one of many tools available for personal growth, and the fact these particular programs are built to give most agency to the individual for their own growth is a responsible and mature way of approaching personnal development.
So if someone doesn’t ‘feel’ anything and gives up quickly from using these tools because they’re not aware enough to experience the benefits then it simply isn’t meant for them and it’s ok if they go try something else.
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