Main Disc. Thread - Fire vs. Saint Round 4 [The Battle is On!]

It would be nice to LoTS already integrated into A Stark Reality: Into The Wonder just like WB :wink:

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:drooling_face::drooling_face::drooling_face: or every masculine sub. I think basically every guy wants to look and feel better and wants that scripting in there subs, but we should make a pole of it.

I know they’ve said it’s a bit more complex and they want to avoid “kitchen sink subs”, but at the same time the shifting works incredibly with titles like Emperor (perhaps the best mass builder imo) and WB, so I don’t understand it entirely.

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Thank you ever so much, old chap. You’ve really gone above and beyond :slight_smile:

Should circumstances allow for a release today, I’d consider that quite the stroke of good fortune !!.

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Washout is once per week.

Its included so I never have to do a 21 day cycle.

But most of the times I stick way way longer to a genre.

To explain it better, I started my subliminalclub journey with testing out many different kinds of subs and then I reached with Alpha subs very quickly the point where I had to prioritize Healing.
So I did that for maybe 2-3years.

Then in October 2023 something changed.
I use allways the pendulum method to decide what subs I play and it’s allways perfect .

Since Oktober 2023 the same subs appear : BDLM, Khan Black st4, Sanguine, Lovebomb, Primal, Primal Seduction, Wanted Black, Daredevil, Inner Circle, Daredevil True Social , Heartsong, SSX,True Social, Hero and The Art of Happiness and Joy

So I have a couple of customs

Khan Black St4 & Sanguine
Lovebomb&Sanguine
SSX & Lovebomb & BDLM
Wanted Black & Lovebomb & Inner Circle
Heartsong & Daredevil :True Social & Inner Circle
Daredevil & True Social & True Sell
Primal & Diamond

I use most of the times only 3 min KB&SA +1 then 5-7days rest.

And so I can switch up every week without getting overload or heavy recon,

Works for me that way

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It’s amazing how the subs just keep working… Way after we have listened… I dont look for immediate results because I do not know what is preventing me from seeing immediate results, however as we proceed, different channels are opened and in goes the sub from a few moths ago just making it’s changes. They knew what they were doing when they made these… I didn’t but im learning. @Fire did, @SaintSovereign did…

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Just trust the unfolding experience, mate.

Don’t set your expectations. Don’t overanalyze. Don’t try to find your perfect stack or listening formula.

Listen to your favourite sub, and don’t forget to breathe. Just breathe.

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Intellect works with and is partially based on your previous life experience, as well anything it can grasp onto as crystalized “facts”, the material world, or conceptions you might hold.

Inner wisdom is not. It is based upon the other legs of the “psychic triad”. By learning to tune in to gut wisdom or heart wisdom, etc, you can make decisions the intellect has difficulty making. However, because Western culture has taught us that these non intellectual functions are “irrational” and has adopted language that deliberately masks the path to psychic proficiency, many people don’t even have a handle on what “inner wisdom” is, and mistake it for intellect.

I recommend Nick Cook’s presentation of Ingo Swann’s unpublished writings in “Resurrecting the Mysterious”. Part 1 I could do without, but part 2 despite his often waffling prose, most of the time he nails it. We have to stop equating terms that don’t mean the same thing. Language matters.

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For the reasons you mentioned, I stopped arguing or trying to explain. I just drop comments on that when I feel like, knowing that some people know what I’m saying and who is open to trying to understand, they have the opportunity to do so.

Great explanation, BTW.

Another issue I would like to raise is the prevalent focus on the results and egoistic expectations towards the sub, which is an attempt of our intellect to control the process and our petty desires to use the sub to cater to our fantasies. That not only limits and hinders the unfolding subliminal experience but distorts our relationship with our inner wisdom, which is our best and only real guide.

Understand that it’s not about the results you’re getting, although they can be really exciting, but it’s about the unfolding experience navigated by our inner wisdom that shapes us or I would rather say brings us closer to our Zero Point.

@Hoppa is the best example of that since he used to get no noticeable results, but he has transformed tremendously.

Me as well, although I get those exciting results people crave for. I don’t really care about those results as I see how much I’ve grown on Zero Point tech.

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Interestingly enough, although I’m quite an intellectual person, I’ve also always had a strong psychic component because of what Saint calls (in an earlier post on this thread):

This is something that an iridologist once pointed out to me, that I have a very sensitive nervous system (and as a result, I used to get especially tired in heavily populated food courts or large crowds because my ears and nervous system couldn’t shut out the energy). As a result I was not only able to pick up messages for myself and others but I am still often able to do things like just look at the area around a person and tell things that are going wrong internally. And that also extends to some extent into telling true information from false information.

However, because when consuming non biologically oriented information (like text on screens) it’s harder to spot unless the comprehension process is slowed down to everything can be “weighed”. So as I encountered more and more disinformation online, AI slop, false claims, propaganda, disinformation (from ordinary people, government, and other sources) and so on, it became clear to me that attempts to get to the bottom of things in certain subject areas are hampered by the ooften unacknowledged information war that we are currently in the midst of.

That was a large part of what led me to my decision to orient my HeO journey to make my main craft/discipline not just meditation but to be able to develop these abilities to get direct access to information, like what the purpose of remote viewing originally was, and also developing the more active aspects of the psychic being (ie how can I heal my own body using the mind, develop mind over matter, perform physical feats, etc). I made the disciplines of the spirit my craft, something which has required a lot of initial research and manifestation to start moving the needle further and faster.

So far results are slow but a constant drip feed which is getting more regular. For example, the other day I woke up remembering a dream in which I was communicating telepathically with a dog whose owner could not understand its thoughts, and the dog said something to me in my mind (in the dream plane) that made me realize when I woke up that it represented a specific individual, and the other aspects of the dream also became clear as a direct communication of my subconscious to me about the path I’m taking with a certain situation and why it’s important to stick with it.

Getting messages in dreams that are actually decodable is one example of me starting to master what was previously hit and miss for me, largely because of this sensitive nervous system which has meant in the past my default way of dealing with all the non verbal information I was getting was to blunt it down, by not looking directly at people for example or adopting an energetic “distance” for my own protection.

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@Sub.Zero

Disclaimer: I am in recon right now.

My biggest issue with the unfolding experience is that the manifestations of those really life changing experiences are very rare and sometimes there is a lot of time in between them. Triggers my impatience very much.

And/or maybe that the unfolding experience is so subtle, that even if it is happening all the time, most of the time I don’t notice it happening.

If this is the case, then I still believe that “subtle” is counterproductive, because, at least for me personally, it is those “in your face” experiences that help to align the conscious mind with the subconscious mind.
If I can notice it consciously, then it is easier for my conscious mind to accept that new reality and by this signal back to my subconscious mind, that “this is indeed the new reality we want to live in now”.

Or am I in recon-intellectualization mode and not seeing something right now?

In such cases, I usually try meditating with my Higher Self / “Inner Wisdom”, but it is not that easy to get something out of it as it is with mentally sorting and structuring information.

How do I make the best use of the unfolding?

I need to take some action, therefore my minds starts intellectual brainstorming of what can be done next etc…

Additionally, my impatience kicks in. It feels like “I have to sit and wait for something to unfold, before the next step can happen”.
I know this is a limiting belief.

If there is any way to accelerate the unfolding, I would be very happy to learn about that!

(PS: QL4 helps a lot with the differentiating between mental clutter and actually useful information.)

Isn’t the goal of the unfolding experience to get more and better results?
Isn’t the unfolding as a process just a means to the end?
Because I don’t want to be unfolding forever, I want results.
I understand that these two go hand in hand and maybe my mind has simply just not yet adopted the balance between unfolding and results:

Where my conscious mind wants 90% results and 10% unfolding, while the subconscious mind is working on 70% unfolding and 30% results…?

Sorry for asking these questions, it seems I am not yet seeing something here that you are seeing. Thank you.

PS:
Unfolding and NSE kinda feels like the same process, with unfolding being more focussed on my internal world.

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If it helps, one of my biggest lessons from last year was the letting go and having full trust and faith in the all/universe/higher self etc will deliver.

Everything I learned from Nevelle Goddard and others is to surrender and trust it will happen for you(the things you desire). But the biggest manifestation killers is constantly checking when it will arrive and checking for proof. Like NG said, when you order food at a restaurant, you don’t get up and go check in the kitchen that they’re making your food, you wouldn’t even think of doing this because you know they are back there preparing your order(DESIRE).

And taking action is always required, but if you’re catching yourself brainstorming on how to take more action because lack of results, that’s where the lack of faith will work against you.

Again, I have an issue with impatience myself so the letting go/trusting the divine was something I really had to learn all last year(actually been doing it my whole life of being impatient but just became aware that it shows lack of faith recently, last year).

"He said to them, 'Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.’

“Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.”

I hope quoting above isn’t against forum rules. I know many here listen to NG, and he regularly quotes those 2 scriptures in his lectures when talking about this subject.

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Impatience hints at clearly defined expectations, and while knowing what you want is not inherently counterproductive to the unfolding process, letting expectations serve as your metrics or guideposts limits your experience and hinders its unfolding.

As I said before, some users—like @Hoppa—may not see or feel anything unusual, yet they’ve undergone significant transformation. In my case, I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary while running DR or Alchemist, yet I processed a lot of trauma and mental clutter with both programs. Alchemist also helped me balance my energy flow. Moreover, I think most of us can agree that the most fundamental changes are often noticeable only in hindsight, when we realize that our baseline has shifted upward.

Pretty much everyone enjoys those ‘in-your-face’ experiences and rushes to the forum to hype others up, yet they don’t hold as much value as we often ascribe to them. What truly matters is getting closer to our Zero Point—closer to our real self—and tapping into our hidden potential, the deeper levels of our unknown self.

Enjoy it and learn from it.

I’ve never tried to rush the process, and I never would—because my inner wisdom knows the right pace, and any ideas I have about it would only interfere.
The most essential thing is your attitude toward the unfolding experience. Be open to it, and let your inner wisdom lead the way. Don’t overthink. Don’t let emotions sway you. Just breathe.

The unfolding experience is autotelic in nature, and everything—both below and above—constitutes its totality.

Here’s the issue, mate—not just yours, but one shared by everyone who gets overly excited about their results. They’re often unaware that the value they ascribe to those results actually limits and hinders the unfolding experience. The results give them a boost they crave to repeat, and that craving gives rise to new limitations—born from desire and the expectations that follow.

NSE helps the whole experience unfold.


Let the unfolding experience—and the inner wisdom that guides you through it—bring you closer to your Zero Point. DO NOT INTERFERE.

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Too many msgs to read through is new hero out or which day does it drop?

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By Sunday was mentioned

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It’s out on sunday.

It’s not.

It’s actually exactly the reverse.

In my opinion.

Unfolding is about synchronizing and aligning with Natural Rhythm.

By losing, you win.

Here’s another one:

Would you rather be a King in Hell, or a janitor in Heaven?

To me, there’s no question.

How about this:

Would you rather have an incredibly impressive Lie, or a humble truth?

Unfolding is alignment with Purpose. With what you really are.

Along the way, a couple of illusions are likely to dissolve like mist in the sun.

If that happens too quickly, we can’t deal with the grief of losing what we never had.

Most people’s brains are hyper-active and in serious need of a chew toy.

If the narratives can stop for even one moment, the vista that is revealed is enough to make you fall in love for the rest of your life.

…wanders off…

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At the beginning of my subliminal journey, it annoyed me a lot that I couldn’t feel the subs like the others did.

Now I think of it as a blessing. If I felt them strongly, I’m pretty sure I would have been changing my stack all the time. Instead, I managed to keep my Emperor run going for a loooooong time.

And that’s why I am where I am. Who I am.

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Love It, why, because I haven’t felt it like others either, I did stack rotate a lot and learned they are working even though I wasn’t feeling all the feelings like others. Made some customs and set some goals and am just riding it out. Things happen and there’s an inner knowing that the subs are working and resistance is down, and benefits are up.

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I was actually thinking about your experience specifically the other day, how we may have made a mistake in adopting the label “hard gainer,” given how you’ve stated that you don’t generally “feel” the titles while running them, you can look back and see the results. Thus, the “hard gainer” label isn’t quite accurate and should be investigated more.

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I tried listening to the EOG st1 with someone, within a couple minutes in, she’s like ooh too much, stop it. Im scrolling FB, watching TV, listening to the audio with no problems…

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