Honestly, I do not know if it would help in my case. It didn’t matter which version I was using. The old tech, Q, ZP, Terminus or Terminus Squared.
That’s why if I’m tagged, I usually come tell about my experience with the subs. Maybe the tiny bit of support I can give helps someone change his life for the better.
Fortunately, that’s not the case, apart from some people like Hoppa. They’re not hard gainers although one can get that misleading impression.
It looks like they don’t need those in face results (heightened subliminal experience) in order to align with the unfolding experience and deepen their inner wisdom. In fact, NOBODY DOES.
Perhaps they grow organically within their daily framework, seamlessly shifting and getting closer to their Zero Point without fireworks and trumpets but looking their unknown self in the eye in silence.
I don’t need mind-boggling results, but real changes that stem from my deepened inner wisdom so that I can truly enjoy and grow upon what the unfolding experience brings and reveals to me.
What matters the most to me is the fact that I AM GROWING. CONSTANTLY. UNDENIABLY.
Maybe I misrepresented my argument a bit by using the terminology “in your face”… I only meant to say that those part of results are still valuable for overall growth, even if I do agree with you, they are not needed.
It was more related to @Hoppa 's comment regarding that leap of faith, and not feeling any change.
Regardless of “in your face” results or not, self awareness and inner awareness are the core of self growth.
I addressed a lot of this in a post yesterday.
The goal of our subliminal audio is not to produce sensations, but results. Sensation is not a result. I understand that for many people, it provides motivation that the title is “working,” and our titles already do that. Most people can sense when they’ve just finished listening to a Zero Point title, which is the natural byproduct of processing so much information.
However, what we will not be doing is engaging in the parlor trick of attempting to create a script for “sensations.” There’s happiness and joy scripting in pretty much every new title since Genesis: The Art of Happiness and Joy, which will produce a much more authentic “sensation” than any artificial attempt to do so.
Furthermore, “in your face” results are determined by the inner work of the individual. We can script all kinds of “GET BETTER RESULTS” into a title, and the individual still wouldn’t get “in your face results” if they aren’t ready for them. Our titles are about accelerated growth and inner evolution that is consistent and steady that leads to a natural breakthrough, which then leads to having those “in your face” results that you see people reporting.
The inner work with subliminal audio does not have to be intense. It can be peaceful and natural feeling, which actually (and this is a bit hard to explain) enhances the subliminal’s effects, since the individual will feel and understand that they achieved their goals with the subliminal’s help rather than the “subliminal doing the work.” Understanding that you are the instrument of change builds a level of confidence in your own skills and abilities, and you begin to see subliminal audio for what it is – a tool that can spark accelerated growth, not some kind of mystery magic file that you need to be dependent on, attributing your own successes to the work of the subliminal producer.
No.
You are the Zero Point. There is no need to place power toward anything outside of you. But truth be told, while these philosophical conversations are great to have, I must note that the majority of people do indeed “feel” something when running a title, myself included. For me, it’s like drinking a Red Bull. There’s a noticeable “drive” that emerges, as well as lots of mental imagery and ideas.
So, I don’t think this is something that needs to be focused on in regards to scripting, because it’s already taken care of.
I find yours such posts very enlightening experience, Saint.
It really explains not only how subliminal technology works but also how subconscious works in general.
I want to add that overexposure phenomena is direct legacy from earlier subliminal technologies, when: “are listening subliminals ENOUGH hours?”.
Zero Point’s 1 minute listening feels to me like 8-12 (if not more) hours of earlier technology. Thats why brain needs much more resting period to integrate the subliminal data.
Agree. Maybe communicate it somehow better to new users who are like me, that there is no need to feel anything.
If they happen to read journals etc. they might assume that they need to feel something to have it work.
My only hope regarding pretty much all that has been discussed is that our understanding of everyone’s subliminal experience will always revolve not around posting pictures of our fabulously sculped body or travels on private jets but growing wiser and enjoying all the beauty life offers.
To truly know and own yourself amidst the wonder.
In the absence of having the script in the major subliminals, would it be beneficial to include it in a potential foundation title?
Increased self-awareness-and I know it’s a deeply personnal experience- has helped me tremendously understanding my subliminal journey.
This is tricky. If the store descriptions had said something like this when I first discovered SC I don’t know if I would have bought any. Having a free title available these days does change things up though.
Simple A/B test will solve this one. Nothing tricky about this.
The free title would have done nothing for me, if I didn’t choose to take the leap of faith.
Could add in a FAQ section into the sales page that answers the question if it is necessary to “feel” the sub. Just let the data tell if it works or not.
All I would focus on right now would be helping people “pass” that consistency and resiliency test mentioned by Saint.
How did you do that, @Hoppa ?
Honestly…
I sometimes wonder that myself. I’m a bit surprised I did. It goes against my nature. No idea why I chose to stick with it.
Then again, it was EOG that made me do it. I needed it to grow the business. I didn’t stick with any of the other subs I tried from SC before that.
Just my 2 cents… my personal one through experience. I’m a very feeling type of person, and to me I always get the feeling of what it is the subliminal is all about and that is what is key for me. I then tune into that sensation and generate more of it, which then fuels me to take inspired action as a person already feeling the seeds of the person I want to become thorough the subliminal. The remembrance of that feeling is my way of checking in daily if I’m aligned towards my goals in regarding to the specific subliminal I’m using currently.
I used to use a lot more logic, a lot more journaling, and had a lot of mentors who kept raving on about repetition, repetition, and it really never did anything for me other than getting bogged up in analysis paralysis. So in the end I just ended up more frustrated which then put me in emotional states that did not serve me. That then became a destructive loop.
A quick reference to easier demonstrate what I mean by using the traditional self-help gurus as examples, would be the big difference between Neville Goddard(more feeling) and Bob Proctor(more just repetition). To me feeling first and saturating myself before even thinking a single though or affirmation do more than repeating an affirmation over and over like a robot for days.
I know the comparison between them two is grossly overexaggerated, but outwardly just listening to them that is the difference I have noticed. But as I mentioned earlier, I’m more a feeling type of personality, so the logical approach is not really that effective to me. But because most teachers and YT clips out there puts so much effort into the logical part, I felt like I dabbled around for a decade until I understood it wasn’t well suited for me.
I’m just offering a little bit of a different take on it from my own experiences. I have listened to SubClub for 5 years now, and just this year after doing the feeling thing more first and throughout the day, I have way less recon and I have a lot more results and can listen to the whole program again without all the tension it used to create. Everything just flows smoother(maybe that’s the mythical flow-factor people rave about 
).
So to summarize what I do now is → First to enter the frequency/emotion/vibration of the state I would be in if I had already internalized the subliminal paired with my vision of what that would look like. And through (especially the first ever loop of that program/trailer effect) listening to the subliminal I get a reminder of what that feeling is, and in my mind’s eye I then imagine it to compound and grow exponentially stronger with each listening.
I have noticed when I enter these emotions that are on the positive side(not just positive thinking, but embodying(truly feeling deeply into it…) things like love/gratitude/abundance/peace/not needing etc), I get more relaxed and my brain waves becomes slower, and thus I feel I’m in a more harmonious communication with my subconscious. Like, if I’m in a state of gratitude/abundance in feeling, there’s literally no resistance to the subliminal as I’m listening, because I’m the positive polarity of love and peace, so there’s no room for fear, anxiety, pride etc etc. You cannot sit in two chairs at the same time…
I know I word dumped a lot there lol. But what I want to express is that it doesn’t have to be overly complicated to do subliminals, but do find out what works for you. We all function differently as some feel a lot and some don’t. Some people learn more through hearing, others vision, and I’m more kinaesthetic.
I guess that’s why Goddard’s way of assume the feeling of the wish fulfilled works so well for me. It has really taught me that nothing is outside of me, all emotions, which is what we truly want in the end, I can generate inside anytime. And also, that means I see subliminals as a guidance only, but it’s still me aligning and changing, the true Zero-Point.
So to me to wrap it up, “More important than what you do is the conviction that what you’re doing is right.” Cred to Nero Knowledge on YT for that line. But to me that makes so much more sense now knowing everything I have felt deeply within I possess. You can only get what you give, and what you give is what you get.
Emotion is the ultimate motivator, and when it runs out and you fall into despair its hard to keep going. But if you use the little conscious will-power you have every day to steer your default emotional state(saturate your inner word with it), at least to me that sets me up for success as I know I’m going to fall back into sweet emotions by default instead of those of despair(habit).
To me imagination is more real than what I can see with my physical eyes. But somewhere between now and childhood we forgot about that magical place within that has no limits… Hakuna Matata!
For me the whole story is even simpler
I just enjoy the ride
Early release? Today maybe?
Good for you as it seems that you don’t limit or hinder the unfolding experience with silly preconceptions, needy expectations, petty desires, or manufactured feelings and visualizations (aka conscious guidance).
I wonder if you at least try to attune to your inner wisdom or you surrender to random impulses.
Patience is the mother of inner wisdom. lol
Here’s a fun little metaphor/story about perception and Results:
A certain man grows up together with a certain woman. Since they were children, they knew one another. And somehow, fortuitously and serendipitously, they have been on a journey of learning, mutual respect, growth, and transformation that just so happened to result in deep and enduring understanding, familiarity, support, and connection. They intimately know one another’s hopes, dreams, longings, efforts, failings, and character. And they have through countless trials, adventures, challenges, and accomplishments, forged a truly responsive relationship. At age 32, they married and formalized their partnership, and now 45 years later, they continue to gracefully unfold in a dance of connected independence and mutually supportive autonomy. It’s quite miraculous.
This man also happens to be blind.
Another man, aged 26, is not blind, and he, while partying last night, happened to glimpse a woman with the most amazingly symmetrical and well-rounded behind. He found her voice a little annoying, but thoughts of that behind were enough to cancel that out. Both of them being intoxicated, lonely, and sufficiently horny, they wound up going home together that night. And he ‘got lucky’, meaning that they had sex together. Both of them had somewhat bad breath during the encounter, but their sexy bodies made up for that. They just tried to avoid smelling each other’s breath too much. So, the conversation was mainly brief statements about nothing too unpredictable. But wow, she looked damned good and, yes, he really showed up and got her to a pretty good orgasm.
By an interesting coincidence, at precisely the same clock time, a little later in the same evening, both women wrote the men they were with brief notes. The first woman wrote a 5-line note (it’s something she’s enjoyed doing every month or so throughout their marriage) and she left it in his jacket pocket. She knows that when he goes to his favorite tavern, he’ll get one of his friends to read it to him. And it’ll make him (and her) pretty happy. She sprays a little of her familiar perfume on it, and puts it in his pocket. Then she heads down to the kitchen and makes some tea. The second woman rolls over and sees her newly -minted lover snoring on the bed still asleep. She 's ready to break the hell out of his somewhat sloppy apartment, but thinks, ‘That was not bad. I’d like to do that again, maybe in a week or two. Who knows maybe there’s potential here.’ She writes a quick note that says, ‘ooh baby. The love you made me feel. I can feel it in me right now. I’ll be thinking of you.’ She writes down her phone number, places a lip-sticked kiss at the bottom, and then lets herself out and drives away.
Now, here’s the question:
The first man can not see or read his letter.
The second man can.
So, who has the stronger love (results)?
Isn’t it ultimately about the desired results? That’s the main reason why most of us are here, after all. Both guys got what they wanted, and the ethical aspect comes second—though it does matter, as it adds a transcendental element that we, as humans, find deeply elevating.
I’m the third guy—totally okay with both scenarios (apart from being blind and the smell lol), as long as they help me grow my inner wisdom and enjoy the unfolding experience. I’m even guided by the ethical implications, which might not be so obvious if I tried to present them on the forums.
I’d say it’s more about what the unfolding experience teaches you—how it helps your inner wisdom guide you toward deeper, more meaningful moments. Each of us—the three guys—is on a unique journey. Comparing our paths is fun to play with, but in the end… women… we all love them. Yeah! How couldn’t we? Oh, Divine Temptation… Oh, the sweet fantasy that never comes true but inflames me all the more.
