Main Disc. Thread - Fire vs. Saint Round 4 [The Battle is On!]

Here’s a fun little metaphor/story about perception and Results:

A certain man grows up together with a certain woman. Since they were children, they knew one another. And somehow, fortuitously and serendipitously, they have been on a journey of learning, mutual respect, growth, and transformation that just so happened to result in deep and enduring understanding, familiarity, support, and connection. They intimately know one another’s hopes, dreams, longings, efforts, failings, and character. And they have through countless trials, adventures, challenges, and accomplishments, forged a truly responsive relationship. At age 32, they married and formalized their partnership, and now 45 years later, they continue to gracefully unfold in a dance of connected independence and mutually supportive autonomy. It’s quite miraculous.

This man also happens to be blind.

Another man, aged 26, is not blind, and he, while partying last night, happened to glimpse a woman with the most amazingly symmetrical and well-rounded behind. He found her voice a little annoying, but thoughts of that behind were enough to cancel that out. Both of them being intoxicated, lonely, and sufficiently horny, they wound up going home together that night. And he ‘got lucky’, meaning that they had sex together. Both of them had somewhat bad breath during the encounter, but their sexy bodies made up for that. They just tried to avoid smelling each other’s breath too much. So, the conversation was mainly brief statements about nothing too unpredictable. But wow, she looked damned good and, yes, he really showed up and got her to a pretty good orgasm.

By an interesting coincidence, at precisely the same clock time, a little later in the same evening, both women wrote the men they were with brief notes. The first woman wrote a 5-line note (it’s something she’s enjoyed doing every month or so throughout their marriage) and she left it in his jacket pocket. She knows that when he goes to his favorite tavern, he’ll get one of his friends to read it to him. And it’ll make him (and her) pretty happy. She sprays a little of her familiar perfume on it, and puts it in his pocket. Then she heads down to the kitchen and makes some tea. The second woman rolls over and sees her newly -minted lover snoring on the bed still asleep. She 's ready to break the hell out of his somewhat sloppy apartment, but thinks, ‘That was not bad. I’d like to do that again, maybe in a week or two. Who knows maybe there’s potential here.’ She writes a quick note that says, ‘ooh baby. The love you made me feel. I can feel it in me right now. I’ll be thinking of you.’ She writes down her phone number, places a lip-sticked kiss at the bottom, and then lets herself out and drives away.

Now, here’s the question:

The first man can not see or read his letter.
The second man can.

So, who has the stronger love (results)?

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Isn’t it ultimately about the desired results? That’s the main reason why most of us are here, after all. Both guys got what they wanted, and the ethical aspect comes second—though it does matter, as it adds a transcendental element that we, as humans, find deeply elevating.

I’m the third guy—totally okay with both scenarios (apart from being blind and the smell lol), as long as they help me grow my inner wisdom and enjoy the unfolding experience. I’m even guided by the ethical implications, which might not be so obvious if I tried to present them on the forums.

I’d say it’s more about what the unfolding experience teaches you—how it helps your inner wisdom guide you toward deeper, more meaningful moments. Each of us—the three guys—is on a unique journey. Comparing our paths is fun to play with, but in the end… women… we all love them. Yeah! How couldn’t we? Oh, Divine Temptation… Oh, the sweet fantasy that never comes true but inflames me all the more.

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Valid points, @Sub.Zero.

Was going to reply with:

‘Didn’t ask better, just stronger.’

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I cheerleader the sub and what it does for me before I Listen.

I change into a state of Joy because I know that it brings me the ripest of fruit and then I just blindly trust that something good will happen

And it does every time

Also I learned to have joy that some journeys take a longer time and I gona enjoy that time every time.

Basically I am thankful for this magnificent opportunity to lisen to this miracle pieces of Art

That’s it

It works perfectly for me.
I always progress and this gives me more joy because the progress is soo valuable (Thanks to Hero Origin)

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Are we nearing the release of Hero: TLTB?

@SaintSovereign

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I really appreciate this post (and many of the others above on this topic, including particularly those from @Hoppa and @SaintSovereign ).

But yours really resonated with me in particular.
My approach thus far when listening to Subs has been to try to clear my mind of all thoughts and just settle into as peaceful and open a state as I can.

If I’m on a longer loop where time permits, I will spend some of that time thinking consciously about the goals and outcomes of that specific Sub (sometimes I look at the product description to facilitate this process) and also think about how those goals and outcomes align with my own.
Then back to the process of clearing my mind of all conscious thoughts and trying to rest peacefully and absorb openly.

But yes, this comment " because I’m the positive polarity of love and peace, so there’s no room for fear, anxiety, pride etc etc. You cannot sit in two chairs at the same time…" strongly impacted me and served as a really valuable insight.

I have experienced being in a kind of flow state with regards to gratitude, abundance mindset, expectation of good things coming to me etc. The kind of mindset and ‘vibrational frequency’ they tend to talk about as being crucial in books on manifesting.

I experienced it once (pre-Sub Club), after reading a book.
A lof of stuff in the book about letting go of negative emotions, judgement, fear, shame, limiting beliefs et al, and shifting into a mindset and frequency of abundance.
I’ve read things like that plenty of times before, but for some reason, at that time, it just seemed to really click with me.

I spent a period of time (about 3 weeks I think) where money was just flowing to me, connections, opportunities and - for the first time in my life - I felt completely light, unburdened, free, full of positivity and the expectation of abundance, provision and good things generally.

Then (I can’t recall how), that feeling slipped away.
That was about a year ago I think.

Then I discovered Sub Club (maybe 5-6 months ago or so I think?) had a milder recurrence of that feeling after listening to RICH (especially) along with Quantum Limitless stage 1 and DR:LD.

But then that feeling faded and I had some bad news recently and am facing a challenging situation.
I went through a period of bad depression over the last 5 weeks related to that, and just got out of it recently (years of life coaching experience helping me to find solutions to the depression).

But all this has served to remind me of the foundational importance of happiness, joy, positivity and an abundance mindset, especially having experienced the polar opposite in recent times (whilst also being able to recall how I felt back when I was in that flow state of abundance previously).

I wonder if its possible to get into that abundant flow state and - critically - remain there all (or at least most) of the time? Anyone? That’s a big goal of mine :slight_smile:

But it’s caused me to reflect and adjust my stack; I’m stopping BDLM and GLM for now (replacing them with the Male Enhancement and GLM modules in a physical shifting and healing Custom, alongside Divine Self Image and Aphrodite to assist with that process).

And created a new Custom:

Sanguine – The Elixir core
Genesis: The Art of Happiness & Joy core

Courage Reclaimed
Discordia Deliverance
Inner Voice
Path of Forgiveness
Pride Unbroken
Synergy: Wonders of Life
Deus
ZPU Anti-Recon

Short, sweet and focused on getting back to the state I’m seeking (or at the very least, just a life with much more joy, happiness, peace and positivity in it).

But your thoughts about doing the whole ‘visualising that you’ve already achieved such a state and the results you seek’ prior to listening to a Sub was a timely reminder and really helpful to me, so thanks again :slight_smile:
PS: sorry all for the long and slightly rambling post! :slight_smile:

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This Man gets it

Enjoy the ride

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Patience is the key to inner wisdom, someone once said.

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My polish friend.

It will be dropped today…Sunday.

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Yes, I’m moving as fast as possible.

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Any chance it will come out before bedtime in Europe (like in 6-7 hours) or will this be a late-nighter? No pressure :slight_smile:

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A good way for me to reconnect with my default relaxed state is by taking a calm walk in nature. Sometimes I’ll sit on a rock and quietly observe my surroundings, and when I feel truly present and at ease, that deep serenity starts to resonate within me. It’s a feeling I knew well when I was younger, I used to do this all the time. But over the years I forgot. Now, when I return to it it truly feels like coming home.

And responding to what you wrote about that effortless state you had, and then lost it when life threw some curveballs. There’s a powerful lesson in that, one I’ve only just recently started to truly grasp and be able to apply in my life.

The law of rhythm is a constant in the Universe, sometimes things rise, sometimes they fall. That’s just how it goes. But the real reason we often get stuck or fall out of alignment is because we unconsciously keep feeding those unwanted feelings. Out of habit and a lack of awareness, we perpetuate emotional states that don’t serve us. Over time, they take over and become our new norm, not because they’re true, but because we’ve allowed them to. It’s almost like the mind becomes addicted to those emotions, even when they’re harmful to us.

But that means the opposite can also be true, we can through our conscious awareness, train our minds to become addicted to the sweeter feelings instead.

What I have started to do when signs (usually a sharp sensation around my solar plexus) like this start to appear, is to just take 30 minutes or so and fully relax, and then just start to tune into that area. Just listen and don’t get involved and let the emotion come up without judgement(I even talk to it sometimes, like telling its okay to feel and that I love it.) After a while it starts to dissipate and in that release of tension there is a little seed of wisdom.

So you’re not ignoring the negative emotion, you allow it unconditionally. You feel that emotion fully without resistance or mental distortion, just be still and watch with your awareness. When you have reached a state of neutrality, when the negative feeling has burnt its energy, that’s when it comes to me what it meant and why it arrived.

I see it as working with the emotion, not against it, almost like being a doctor treating a patient. The doctor doesn’t get entangled in the patient’s pain, but instead remains present and focused on healing it and making the patient healthy again.

From there I can transmute that “negative feeling(although I don’t see it as such, it just is what it is).” Because from the release of the unwanted charge, there’s relief and joy arising instead, and that’s when you experience the positive seed of wisdom and integrate it into your being. Because when you have felt it, experienced it, that’s when you truly understand it.

So lately, I’ve normalized a strong sense of abundance internally, one that comes entirely from within. Then, whenever something unwanted happens outside of me, I simply reframe it to work in my favour. It’s actually fun, like a game where I’m the only one who can win.

I tell myself things like, “this too is a blessing in disguise,” or “this too shall work in my favour,” and I smile as I say it. Also I affirm to myself daily that, “everything always works out for me.” And if heavy emotions suddenly arise, I use awareness to bring them to a neutral state, integrate the lesson, and return to my natural state of abundance.

So in a way I just make sure I consciously steer my inner emotional state towards those of love and abundance, and knowing fully if I keep saturating my days with them… then that will be my default state of being.

This to me is inner power, and if I have to… I withdraw from the outer world during the days and realign in inner silence… I trust myself to stay abundant, but would never trust my surroundings to do that for me.

Because ultimately, the outer world is a reflection of my inner world. If I’m feeling turmoil within and try to find answers outside, it never truly works. The only way to calm the waters is from the inside out.

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Thank you for that wisdom!

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Happy HERO Day, SubClubbers!

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I just had a dream that the sub dropped but it wasnt hero it was wantedog :dog::sunglasses::poodle:
Im on a different timeline lol

Once i read that comment of saint mentioning all the small results its been on my awareness to notice more and its actually been amazing all kinds of small positive manifestations that add up out of nowhere but when u think about them, they match the sub themes.

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What I’m posting here is an attempt to understand this hard gainer phenomenon, and not to single out any one.

Over the years I’ve been here, there seem to be a percentage of people who have difficulty getting certain results.

They seem to be following the most current recommendations. They are NOT sub hopping. They aren’t “experimenting”. They are taking action. And yet, their results seem to be going nowhere.

I’ve sometimes had to listen to something for 6 months before I start seeing any results I can identify. If there was a button to press in my mind that said “for the change you want to manifest immediately, press here”, I would press it. Why do I need to wait 6 months for even a slight change?

Although there might be reasons for this cause, I would be interested in solutions so those who are applying sincere effort can reap the rewards of the titles we listen to.

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Dont worry @Akephalos as we speak young Saint is hard at work executing the compiler.

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Hi @RVconsultant i believe you are also a “hard gainer” as you are a hyper intelligent gentleman.

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I have a theory, and it basically relates to how “far” a particular change(result) is from where someone “is”. With how consciously guided their experiences are being the rate of travel across these metaphorical distances.

For example, even someone with excellent interpersonal skills, wealth and abundance to spare, and a rich social life can struggle to meet a “soulmate”. Especially if they’re at a place in their life where they’re just “going with the flow” rather than consciously choosing every or even most moments unless meeting said soulmate was already an impending event on the path they were on.

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