Sorry to hear this I’m sure things will workout for you try to channel that anger and transmute it to smashing your goals
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I wish your every word will come true
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Sub Day 19
Yesterday I tried MCT oil & OMG this product is magic like a sub
It took one hour for its effect & then I felt the energy…extreme positive energy
now I get why @SaintSovereign mentioned in for recon & the recon is the main reason for my smartphone got break
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Sub day 21
Please please don’t be me and multiverse stack like me
Its not easy and too much recon even overexposure despite only 3 subs
I am now looking forward for st2 of khan and eof
Healing part will be taken care by Dr st2
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Hey @weir!
I just noticed your healing journal, and I’d like to help 
Congrats on your commitment to a journey of deep recovery and healing, and also congrats on getting through the first 21 days! I understand that you must be feeling exhausted right now, so really allow yourself some time to recover. Deep healing can be rough, and the recon can be especially so. But you have decided that you want to commit to deep and through healing, and that’s huge - so kudos to you!
Have you had any previous experience with Khan or Dragon Reborn?
What is your current listening schedule and plan?
I noticed that none of the previous Dragons (that I know of) had commented here yet, so I figured I’d just jump right in and offer my support and encouragement. DR is by no means an easy sub (nor is Khan), and we need to help each other through it when it gets rough.
Now, I am not going to tell you what to do of course, but I would like to offer my perspective and experience.
And I tell you this with nothing but brotherly love, without any judgement whatsoever 
For me (back in the Qv2 days) stage 1 was awful and stage 2 was also difficult, and what got me through it was to run it together with Love Bomb, and I dearly recommend pairing your heavy healing titles with a sub that will also lift your spirit, like Love Bomb, or Sanguine, or Chosen From Within. One of those’ll do.
Before I started with Dragon Reborn I had the chance to “prime” myself with a whole month of listening to Love Bomb, and I think that it made a huuuge difference in how difficult stage 1 and 2 was for me. I just want to emphasize that adding something like that really help you getting through the rough parts. It gave me strength and hope that I could pull through it and emerge on the others side of it - as a whole and healed person. Just consider adding one of them to your stack - It’ll help both immediately and in the long run
And I’d like for you to contemplate on something, and you’ll have to decide for yourself… but I personally think that maybe running Khan and Dragon Reborn at the same time could be too heavy right now.
Indeed it might make the healing process way too difficult and lead to a detrimental effect instead due to perpetually heavy recon. Or maybe even worse - it might feel so hard that it could potentially discourage you from healing subs for a very long time ahead - which could be devastating in so many ways.
A total breakdown is difficult as it is when done with one of these titles, but running two at the same time might just be too taxing and causing too much recon. Take this washout period and consider if it might be too much to do all at once. And really, you won’t have to wait until you’ve completed both DR and Khan in order to start feeling better.
If you were to settle with either one of them, and paired with an uplifting sub, I am sure you will get positive results faster than you’d expect. You’ll start feeling good soon enough, and in a couple of months from now you’ll be asking yourself why you were in such a hurry. I know I did.
But then again… when I first started with DR I felt like I was emotionally hemorrhaging all over the place, and the only thing I kept thinking about was that I wanted all the hurting to stop 
Anyway, I just want to help you do this and succeed with your healing in the best way possible. Give me a ping here or a DM if you hit a rough spot or just want to talk!
Edit: I also wanted to add that if you feel uncertain if you are ready with one particular stage, it’s OK to stay on that for a longer time. When asking “When should I proceed to the next stage?” the answer was “When you feel that you have gotten enough from your current stage to fully benefit from the next” - or something to that end.
“Grow slow and steady, and you’ll get there” - everyone kept saying 
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yep very much
Thanks, my problem is that I have lost precious years of my life doing nothing just procanistated with too much emotional trauma…few years wasted in something possessed me others in porn …didn’t completed college degree untill now
I know that i have enough sabotaged myself & too many inner issues no daring no-confidence weird porn is also an extra thing to be taken care of
money issue, family issues, heart Borken failure issue, things i only imagined but never achieved…I have wasted my life 
I am not unable to write further though I wanted to say to many things
I am new to subgame…I only started 3 or 4 months ago where New zp technology was introduced…
in started before joining the forum I was abusing sub-daily listening to it at night while sleeping…of course I felt much difference where my doubt covered into belief & here I am joined this forum to get more insight
I knew the rules of zp but still I keep on changing my stack…in the previous cycle I randomly listen to subs just like pay as you go service
I keep on the reading forum where I got to know I need to have self-discipline & stick to my stack…at that time i just watch the spiderman trailer (still didn’t watch movie) then I I got an idea to start a multiverse here multi-stage journey
So that I can stick to my subs for 4 fucking months…but then I chose 5 subs instead of 3 & the other 2 was also multi-stage
top of that I one time listened to a loop of diamond where I just lost myself & got scolded by a few members & specially @SaintSovereign … I came to my sensed & removed other 2 subs
after that fellow forum, members even told me these 3 subs I choose is actually very heavy & i should be stuck to 1 multi stage & other non-multi stage subs…which they are right
but my problem of non-sticking to subs got me to continue this journey…
so tp short answer to your question no I didn’t listen to DR or Khan before
day 1
DR ST2, Khan ST2
Day 2
Eof ST2
ofcourse after 5 days of washout
the main reason would be I didn’t share my whole journey here…I cant explain what terrible things are happening with me right now
Subs like Wanted, Chosen from within changed me but these 2 subs dr & khan are just too much where i didn’t have much energy to share everything
sometimes things were too bad in last week or so,I stopped doing my daily routine…But I am now optimistic about ST2 of specially khan sub…to change everything & feed me new programming
Since I didnt share much…others didnt feel my journey worth following or reading or replying…goid knows…I don’t care…I just want to become best version of myself in my real life
please do share your insights I would love to learn & get benefit form it because its for my own good
I surely wanted to do this but here my mind forcing me to stick to these subs & get going…I dont know what that force r thing which is keeping me moving towards these subs
DR being DR promising utmost healing which it is going in my soul & keep bringing things which was happened years or decades ago
Khan further stages promising sex seduction & dominating life alpha male with tons of wealth…even I am more excited about ST3 total action…yep action which I am lacking my whole life
EoF ST2…only loop of ST1 showed me what kind of magic subs can perform…I dont think I will ever remove this sub from my stack after 4 months too…this much this sub showing me results in gym
that’s why I didn’t added or don’t want to be added in next cycle…with no disrespect, this is why I am committing to staying on these sub for next 3 months
I hope @SaintSovereign will allow me at least adding love bomb as 4th sub or weekly twice …maybe
Yep its too much for sure…I am like this my whole life…I just want to have everything best of best instead starting small
I lost my dear flasgship smartphone & too many fights…what worse I can tell you
Khan ST2 don’t have a healing part? am I right…Its like installing new things in my brain?
yep only washout can tell me how many minds take these subs
love bomb I am coming
another reason to start these 2 subs to kill possessiveness but now I think any alpha would be better or even I should continue CFW
Thanks mate…its like a godsend me an angel to guide me in this rough time…you don’t know how your words gave me utmost support…Thanks again
I will surely ping or DM you…please be free to tell if I annoyed you too much
Nah Nah I just want to move to Stage 2 & stop this nightmare
sure mate…Thanks again
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Washout Day 4
I am not updating this jouranl as I supoosed to because lots of up & down going in my life right now
I can still feel healing is happening despite its been 4 days I havent listen to any sub
Today I went tp physiotehrapy to show my knee, shoulder & back delt which is been injured
seduction game is way down
productivity back to zero
office work…somewhat good now…with constant jumping…one time i felt they will remove me
wealth ceilings are now closed…didn’t pay the CC bill yet
Hoping best from KHan ST2 day after tomorrow
wish me luck
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Hey! How are you doing today? How is does ST2 feel?
I hear you bro, and I recognize a lot if that in myself. But you know what? You are here now, and you have had enough and are now gearing up to (finally!) face your own inner demons. Once and for all. Keep that in mind - your healing journey has just begun! It’s not going to be easy but it IS going to be worth it Just try to be compassionate towards yourself while you are sifting through the chaos and inner turmoil. You’ll emerge from it, eventually
That… ought to have induced A LOT of recon… As you most likely already know. And it must have made you feel like crap afterwards… I can only imagine 
It’s good that you decided to join the forum because learning how to use these very powerful subliminals properly is imperative to success.
Any “scolding” done by the others here are only because they want you to succeed, that’s all
And they are not wrong - those subs are heavy. And yes, trying out various titles are part of the process, especially for a newcomer. And also being unable to “stick” to a certain stack is many times a sign of recon - but that being said, it is also important to self reflect whether one’s stack is currently too much.
From what I can tell you want to run three multistages; Khan, DR, and EoF (Emperor Fitness, right?).
I know both DR stage 1 AND 2 felt destabilizing for me, and it wasn’t until stage 3 that I started to feel like I was being put together again as a whole person. Just a little something to keep in mind
So, if this round of stage 2 gets too heavy, my suggestion would be to hold of DRst2 for a while and only run Khan, EoF, and some sort of soothing title, like Love Bomb. This because DRst2 is also destabilizing like I mentioned, and I understand that you want to start to fell better as soon as possible.
Again, not telling you what to do - just sharing my experience and infinite (lol) wisdom.
If you try to push for progress too much with a heavy stack but instead induce heavy recon - you will in fact be further away from feeling good, which is counter to what you are trying to achieve, right?
And it’s alright. Deep healing is an emotional rollercoaster, for sure. Just try to do it as much as you can - we are all here to help. And also, some things are better suited in a private journal, for your reflections only. It’s a great way to clear your own thoughts and to channel some of that frustration.
Ooh sorry to hear that. What happened?
Sounds like recon to me. And remember that the “listening” part is not when the change itself takes place, but rather afterwards. We call that “installing” and “blooming”. Most subliminals really show themselves afterwards or during washouts so keep in mind that healing from ST1 are still in effect - so be kind to yourself (and your surroundings!) and remind yourself about things that can be signs of recon. This so you can be more understanding and compassionate with yourself
And lastly, I hear you, and I respect your commitment. I would however like to challenge you to reflect on what your top 3 priorities/objectives would be right now. And which one of these would you put on the absolute top? And which two subliminal titles would help you get there? This way you can indeed add a soothing title and also avoid inducing heavy recon like you described above.
Just think about it, ok?
Also, have you had the chance to try Ascension Chamber? It’s a title you run once per week, and I heard many mention (myself included) how it makes them feel good and also decrease recon - among other things.
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will start from the mid night…still on washout day 5
Your words give me strength…Thanks
You got me, bro…I will stop DR right away & will continue with Khan…instead of love bomb should I choose CFW…I tried CFW in past…hmmm let’s see I have time to think about it
So no more DR now…I will run Khan, Eof & LoveBomb / CFW
I don’t know…suddenly my knee is acting up…calf pain low back pain & even shoulder pain…I don’t know its related to sub or not
yep…you are right
yep bad commitment made me lose money & fucking stupid in front of the world & now I am sensing mixing DR & khan was a bad idea
i also was listening to EoG & QL both ST1
I was stupid even to mix this subs with a fiction movie which I watched on Sunday…& I didn’t enjoy that much too
no more multiverse bro…
Yeah, I tried twice in two weeks except in these washout periods…I only take washout seriously since discovering subs
AC brings the worst out to me but now I can understand because these heavy titles with AC only done worst to me
I will definitely report tomorrow’s effects of the love bomb
Thanks, mate…it always brings smile to my face when i see notification with your name
God bless you
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Sub Day 1
Yep as you can see above…I am now backing off from DR effective immediately
I am relacing DR with a love bomb to bring some peace into my inner world…All thanks to @Athanaxos for showing me light & of course other members too
Just listened to one loop of LB & I can say something is happening I just don’t know what that…maybe I will get to know after I wakeup… let’s see
So for this cycle, my stacks are as below
Day 1 Love Bomb, Khan ST2
Rest Day
Day 2 Eof ST2…Though I am injured right now let’s see how much I can push myself with EoF
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Slow and steady is the way to go 
Mmh not sure about that. Although recon sure can be tricky. Are you maybe over-exerting yourself during workouts or so?
It’s OK to want to change for the better in every aspect, and It is also OK to look at the sales pages of all those amazing subs and feel “I want to be that person NOW”. I know I do. All the time
And I can see that you have ambition and a burning desire to grow and evolve, and that’s great. Otherwise you wouldn’t have purchased all those multistages. Is that what you were referring to by losing money? If so then can you re-frame it? As in: You know that you will run those titles, eventually. So really nothing was wasted, right?
It’s still there, you know. And a number of us here have recently felt a nudge towards running stuff like Alchemist and Quantum Limitless together… Just focus for now on developing a sturdy foundation that can then carry you onward, further than you have ever been before 
How was it? 
Maybe run Paragon instead of EoF temporarily until your injuries feel better?
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Hmmm that maybe case…but it was acting from last few weeks and now unbearable…I am writing this while ice pack stick to my shoulder 
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No no…i lost money on my old phone… purchasing new phone
Too many purchases…bad relationship with father…he slapped me last week during fight…I am hesitant to ask him for help
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I want to quote many points but right now…using mobile only …windows update
After listen to love bomb I slept quickly…i mean very quickly…of you saw my past posts…you will realise how much I was obsessed with sleep issues
But strange I slept quickly yesterday
At around 5 am…i found myself kissing my partner non stop
Yep and it was definitely my subconscious because she told me I was kissing her from last 15 minutes…i only talk or woke up after she bite me hard
I have issues with libido…but after waking up…i saw little me solid hard…i mean rock solid
I didn’t done sex…i should but there are many underlying fear or internal traits i don’t know
In gym i talk to one sexy girl which was cycling I ask her to remove her headphone and ask couple of questions though she answered all but didn’t ask about myself like my name etc…but I had fucking confidence to talk to her…it’s Khan st2 or lb i don’t know
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Yep…again great recommendation…i can’t perform in gym with broken shoulder and knee…so yes I will run paragon solo till i heal from my pain
Thanks mate …your intellectual helping me winning the game of life
I want to write other experience too but since all these replies are not grouping but creating multiple post i will write them with my PC
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Sub Day 1
Right now I am feeling very internal calm
partner showing too much affection
In the gym, people were nice to me
tried to talk to one girl at the gym but her response wasn’t that great
the most important thing was my posture was like steel till now…my shoulder was back & I was standstill like a real fucking alpha male
this was most notable incident after kissing scene with my partner
other than that I just showed some of my intelligence to my frenemy without any fear
I also notice I am not telling any rubbish to my family friends which I usually did in past…now I am thinking is it appropriate & then only speak
continually taking care of my knee & shoulder issues by putting ice on them
other important changes I observe I am not snapping on very small things like I was doing for many years & too much from the last cycle
I don’t know why my internal becomes too much aggressive with DR & khan put together, are healing bringing bad things to the surface? @Athanaxos
Confidence, Don’t give a fuck & intelligence I feel on my 1st day of Khan ST2 & Love Bomb
I again changed my stack right now it consists of
Day 1
Love Bomb, Khan ST2
Day 2
Rest Day
Day 3
Paragon ( for shoulder & knee injury)
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It sounds like Khan ST2 and Love Bomb agrees with you. Makes me happy to hear that!
Ah right. Man that really sucks. 
But you know… for what it’s worth you can always recover from that loss… and remember you are currently in the process of putting yourself in a better place than you used to be… You’ll be able to gain it back, even if it sucks right now.
And that sucks even more. I am sorry to hear that. It’s a bit outside of my expertise… And while I don’t know about your situation or relationship or what you were fighting about… The thought that pops up in my head is that is that you are in the process of getting yourself together… and that you might be able to negotiate from that position once you’ve made some initial progress? Just a thought
I would say Yes to that. The purpose of DR ST1-2 and Khan ST1 is to bring the mucky shit up to the surface so that you can deal with it once and for all, and f that becomes too much to handle all at once it “destabilizes” you.
Stuff like mood swings, bad temper, depressive thoughts, anxiety… or recon. It can express itself in many various ways, which is why it’s important to walk the golden path of “just enough” - and pairing it with Love Bomb for example which makes that whole process so much easier.
So yes, bringing out too much of the deep stuff all at once could trigger a defensive response, because you are feeling unstable and vulnerable. And at the same time it’s all subconscious so you really don’t know where the “threat” is coming from, so the defensive response can come out as “aggressiveness” or general douche-y behavior. Indeed, at times we can almost see if someone has gone into recon or overexposure by how they express themselves here on the forum
So again, self-compassion, understanding, and self-observing is king.
I’m glad you found a method that works for you right now.
( And really, the thought of running Khan and Love bomb together makes me think of Temperate Steel in all kinds of metaphors )
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Yes, I wanted it but there’s sudden anxiety emerging…situation like these in the past I rather deal with aggressively or act like too much needy…after all these subs…I just don’t know…how to handle situations like these anymore…
I am being too careful to do anything…because in past I just do it right away whatever I feel like…but now I am holding myself back & thinking of consequences my words or action brings
I act like a foolish person all my life in front of my family…I know I have to maintain my own self-respect but inflow All I acted was childish…forgiving people immediately which they think afterward…whatever they did to me was justified…heck I am even googling most of the stuff to get tips on how to deal with the particular situation
the same approach I want to take with my dad’s issues…I just don’t want to burst into anger again…I just want don’t want to be angry again…being angry is one thing but shouting like a mad dog is another…I just don’t want to be a mad dog but a human with self-respect honor dignity…I want to show my angriness in a good way or shape
I hope love bomb just calm the fuck me down
I can feel it right away…even after one loop of love bomb & khan st2…today I am feeling a little miserable again not that much but miserableness is there
ditto…I should have a love bomb in my stack since I run regeneration rebirth multiple times in cycle…poor me…I didn’t know how to exactly pair subs with each other & even heck how important it is for our own good…
I wanted to ask a question here…if we run love bomb with healing sub…did they interfere with healing…I mean if you could elaborate it…one sub is bringing past traumas & another sub teaching to love…I mean how do they both work on the subconscious mind…after trauma came to surface our mind will ease with the love bomb & make us realize its okay…etc etc…please just elaborate so that I can understand how exactly sub works
mine is recon with overexposure right?
yeah, & tonight I will listen to paragon…i have heard it helps with sleep too
Do you mean when stell is hot & we add water into it…to calm down or brain?
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That is an interesting insight. Thank you for sharing.
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Sometimes becoming aware of our own not-always-so-positive behaviors makes us take a step back and have us wondering how the hell we should do things instead. It’s OK, just give it time and you will land in a place where you have more inner strength. And with that comes BOTH more tolerance and patience, but ALSO better ability to maintain your boundaries in a healthy manner. You’ll get there
I hear you. Many times we do things we don’t understand why, and we wished we had acted differently… Like you said… with more self-respect, honor, and dignity… I’ts the same thing with this. If your heart and mind are somewhat stable, you won’t be as quick to that kind of anger and you will be better at expressing what it is that upsets you. This is why you committed to do the inner work in the first place. This was why you searched for a way to do that, and eventually came here to this community, no?
Good. Now remember that there WILL be ups and downs. That’s inevitable. But over time that will decrease in intensity, and you will be better equipped with dealing with them. Also Love Bomb takes the edge of that “aggressive” alphaness that’s not always helpful, and helps you create a deep yet silent strength
Yeah, I started thinking about this and what kind of information newcomers could find useful. Like an unofficial “guide” with what works and what doesn’t. Makes me want to put one together
Well, I can only speak from my personal user-experience and not of how the subs works but… RVC mentioned some approaches to healing in this thread here, and when it comes to “Past healing” like DR and Khan… they are supposed to bring up stuff from the past and the deep so that you can properly process them. That require ALL of your energy and that is why they are so difficult, because processing the murky stuff IS HARD.
But yes, as people’s experience here will tell you: Healing subs takes precedence over any other title. BUT adding a soothing title like LB or CFW can help you alleviate some of that stress that inevitably comes from bringing painful stuff up to the surface.
Haha I am too autistic to be able to differentiate that but yea, you probably overexposed yourself earlier
Yes in part. But what makes the temperate steel so strong is this process of repeated heating and cooling, so that’s what I was thinking about.
I saw you got some great replies and feedback in the Ascension Chamber thread. What thoughts did they spark? Did you feel that you got some useful insights?
Also, I don’t know if this is relevant but a book that helped me was No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert A. Glover. Have you read it?
Also, another great thread here is @DarkPhilosopher’s On being an alpha. I’ve found it gave me very useful perspectives and insights that I wasn’t aware of before. Give it a shot when you have the time!
EDIT: Another thing I just remembered… have you had any chance to read through some of the DR and/or Khan-journals so you can get an idea of what’s ahead in regards to healing?
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