I am just looking for true progress and growth, to mature into a higher state of consciousness and wisdom. To elevate myself and reach different degrees of success in my life. To have genuine true and authentic changes unfolding in my life and actually see positive progress on a daily basis.
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Continuing the washout, now at three weeks I think. Results have completely vanished but the subconscious tiredness is still there. Also feeling like something is āstuckā in my subconscious still and not releasing.
I think definitely the programs leave a lasting impact upon the mind.
It may be that your subliminal reconciliation cycle hasnāt finished yet. Older reports mention that subliminal processing can last up to 30 days. However, as far as I remember, those reports refer to the first version of Zero Point.
Maybe maybe. What I have noticed is that as days pass there is definitely a āfadingā effect. The grip of the programs slowly loosens and the effects become more and more subtle whether that is reconciliation, processing or execution of results.
Every night still have subliminal related dreams I would say though. Maybe after all of this I will have a sudden change inside of me as everything has become completely settled inside, not sure though.
Definitely have far less thoughts, almost complete peace of mind now, no overthinking or wild mental frenzies lol. And no emotional disturbances as much. But somewhere deep down something is still there I can notice it.
Feeling pretty sleepy since two days and whenever I just relax I can fall asleep and process the craziest dreams. Which is not the case when I am processing a lot, Iād feel tired and exhausted but due to overwhelm in my nervous system falling asleep is out of question, it is more of an exhaustion where the nervous system is overstimulated and I would feel like an inner pull to still focus and do things even though I have desire to just unwind, restore myself and chill.
Definitely feel far more relaxed neurologically with the reduction in processing as the weeks pass.
My mental landscape is just a thousand times better.
I do not understand why good subliminal progress and results have to mean such overstimulation on the mind and nervous system for me because at the same time the results I was having where very good and beneficial but I could simply not enjoy them due to numbness in my nervous system and nervous exhaustion.
Still somewhat having that, probably I never got into a state where I truly had a break and perhaps I am coming closer to that now that every last bit is getting processed!
Finally giving myself a true rest and vacation from it all!
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When it comes to results, we need to take into account that our baseline may rise so naturally that we stop noticing some of them as they become our ānew normal.ā Another thing is that till weāre processing so called bloom is usually still yet to come.
This indicates subliminal processing, as you know
āso clearly, itās not finished yet.
It looks like youāve dealt with low-level recon.
However, itās hard to tell whether there will be no recurring bouts of recon even without subliminal input. Youāll see for yourself.
Long-term washouts are the way to go from time to time.
Yeah letās see what happens. I did have some bloom effects as you call it, here and there along the way.
Now for over a week Iāve not had anymore bursts of results like that.
Whatever reconciliation you get from the programs you will simply not get in real life, these reactions in my experience are specific to subliminal usage. It acts weird on the mind.
I barely have thoughts now and feel very peaceful of mind. This is how it always used to be for me. I donāt get bothered by anything. On subliminal programs I get triggered by absolutely stupid things.
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Tried some 1 min ultrasonic today not sure if anything happened at all lol. 
To me the 1 mins 30 seconds things is all a bit of a wishy washy thing it just induces uncertainty in me, like 30 seconds of subliminal input which is not even 0.03472% of our entire day is supposed to have an impact on me lol?
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Thatās what I thought too until I tried microloops.
Even 15m seemed outrageous. On top of that, we can only listen to it once every other day?
It sounded too good to be true, even the old instruction of āonly a few hours a dayā was outrageous enough to make me not want to try SC back then.
But it works.
The fact that it works is just as outrageous as its premise.
In fact, after more than 2 years of being here, I canāt recommend it enough.
My recommendation is to not mind the results for now.
You might be surprised by how powerful it can be, even with microloops, but you might also not notice anything. The point of microloop is load & recon management. Itās a tool to help you adapt to the sub.
If those are taken care of, youāll naturally progress to higher playtime.
Iām sure youāll get results even before you progress, but you wonāt have to worry about it in a few months at most, either way.
Idk what is happening at this point. I feel like when I did 15 mins and took a washout these programs just got stuck somewhere deep in my mind and I stopped having the results from them but could just feel something was off.
Now Iām sticking only to the microloops thing however little sense it makes on any level and see if I can get a breakthrough.
I can definitely feel it but the numbness does not go away. I feel there is something stuck in my nervous system and can constantly feel stuck energy that was not releasing despite daily yoga and meditation practice plus a long washout.
Really just want to get rid of that.
Maybe microloops will do the trick but a little doubtful at this point. Just feeling tired all the time mostly. No desire for life.
Thatās a typical recon.
What I found working best for this is microloops AND decreasing the listening frequency.
So instead of every other day, try somewhere in between once every 7-15 days.
Give yourself time to adapt & recover from the recon.
Then when youāre ready, listen to the sub again.
Rinse and repeat until the recon is no more.
This is a good way to know how to space the listening days for the sub.
When you feel the energy unstuck/when it doesnāt bother you as much, listen to the sub.
When you feel lethargic/stuck again, stop the sub.
Repeat this cycle over and over again.
Personally, I recommend a month long break from the sub altogether.
A long break is so powerful that I implement it in my schedule regularly every 3-6 months for every sub I use. Taking an early one to reconcile with the sub first is not a bad idea.
The more you use the subs here, the more youāll realize that less is indeed more.
It usually lifts (to a certain extend, I will see definite improvement in the symptoms) when I start running the subliminal again, and it comes back when I overuse the subliminal.
Now I feel stuck because I neither can stop nor do too much because whatever I do I end up stuck in recon where I feel numb and nothing at all.
So I literally just did almost a month long washout eventually I was just tired and wanted to only sleep and do nothing, no desire for anything like my mind was stuck somewhere and kept having lots of dreams every night but no progress. Always felt like my mind was exhausted as well.
So if Iām tired of this and I stop listening it just haunts me nonetheless and I feel like I need to come back and do microloops to get me out of it, what is this?!
Anyway I donāt want to let go of them the results speak for themselves and being able to tap into the subconscious like this is a true blessing.
Seems like I will stick with nothing more than a microloop for a awhile now.
Iāve seen people here in this exact same situation as you are.
The answer is to run a microloop when you get recon in your break, then restart the washout.
From my experience, cutting down on the length of the cycle helps a lot with overuse.
Iām now using 5-7 days on 4-5 days off. The normal 21 on 5 off is too much for me.
Even with this short cycle, I still retain all the results, but the load is lighter overall.
For now, Iām sure microloop will be more than sufficient in alleviating the overload, but do consider these if it still persists after.
Bro Iām just tired of this. It is not healthy anymore and I am fed-up. I feel I am not being listened to and am just trying endless different methods and schedules while my life is ticking away.
Again after just ONE SINGLE MINUTE. I wake-up with a completely dried out mouth, my brain fried, my nervous system is clearly electrocuted and I am already trying to fix my nervous system because I think I have harmed it from overloading it and that it is damaged.
Its just not even funny anymore this is insane.
Like when I get into horrible reconciliation states and think okay this is enough I cant endure this anymore and stop listening even after 1 month I am still suffering because the programs go that deep and there is just no escape, either I keep going and overcome the limitations that prevent me from executing it or I am just forever in a depression and tiredness because my nervous systems gets stuck some where.
And despite all this I am using my willpower to work some of the most advanced yogic practices to improve my health and well-being but despite all that I just notice the mind is the ultimate tool and that it is SUPERIOR to anything like that. It is superior to any physical medicines, any practices or exercises. If the mind has an issue it has to be resolved within the mind and not otherwise. The mind rules reality simple as that.
Consider trying out this: Trauma Release Exercises - TRE
Start very slowly with it too. Just like with subs, 30 secs could have an insane effect as well
It should release the burden from your nervous system, potentially freeing it up and in the future, allowing you for more exposure with better results with less recon
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You could take a 2-3 month washout, people have done that, and even longer.
I just did a long one and eventually I just felt like I was not getting any results or making any progress. I feel like I need the boost of the programs to support my growth and help me through blockages that may potentially be there from running programs in the first place. As in my life already took a turn running the programs now I cannot stop in the middle of the progress but must continue until I arrive at the objectives or destination and not somewhere in between!
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Will check this out thanks. Anyhow I am doing surya kriya and yoga asanas which is meant to remove energy blockages. I feel like it is a mental thing my mind in and of itself is creating mental blocks and I need to remove it from the root.
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On TRE subreddit, Iāve read that for many people all those yoga practices and stuff doesnāt work before they do the work with TRE first. And those things might even overburden the nervous system
I was one of those people who would get only negative results from meditation, breathwork, etc. Iāve been doing TRE for quite some time now and while I havenāt attempted to do any spiritual practices again, Iām feeling MUCH better mentally and physically, and got more receptive to subs (unlike you, Iād often not feel anything even with 15 minutes and get very little results). Thereās a high chance TRE can help you because it moves nervous system to a healthy state, not hyper responsive or hypo responsive
btw @Fire and @SaintSovereign you might find this feedback on TRE interesting
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Actually the interesting thing is I will be getting results on any type of listening amount, just that my nervous system seems to get stuck and numb and I will feel very exhausted or overwhelmed.
Results are always there it is undeniable.
Its just that my body is not cooperating and acting out. My goal with all of this is just have the body be normal and get results at the same time I think it will give far more results as I will have the flow, the desire, the energy, the emotions all working with me to achieve the results.
I even get irritation in the brain now.
But @anon15812918 I will be looking into this TRE stuff you are sharing.
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