30s Microloop Discussion Thread

[Present1]

@Azriel

Yeah I’ve made peace with the not understanding
and have trust in my experience with subclub that it doesn’t really matter

AND it ‘drives a part of me crazy’
to not understand the ‘how’ or strategy of it’s implementation.
One because I am someone who wants to know everything!

I can relate with you on this. I don’t know if its a controlling issue I have or that I’m just skeptical, as long as we don’t stop asking questions.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Yeah those are good questions too.

If I could run the suggested amount of loops with the typical schedule I wouldn’t ask any of these questions. But it’s the very fact I’ve experienced a lot of difficulty at times that leads me to explore alternatives. It’s really out of necessity for me more than curiosity.

I feel like with these subs you need to trust your own intuition, a lot. But I’ve found that intuition isn’t always clear. Like you can get false intuition that tells you to switch your sub or listen more or listen less. After a while it becomes difficult to trust that intuition. So when there isn’t a standard that agrees with you it can sort of leave you making bad decisions.

Just knowing the underlying mechanics of how it all works can help you dissect it more from a logical angle and make better informed decisions.

[Azriel]

It’s a mix of control, not knowing, and optimization (dissecting it from a more logical angle to make more informed decisions at @Fractal_Explorer has said) for me
and I’m totally happy letting all that go at the end of the day.

It becomes a different game
Following my instinct and intuition and experiential results
without knowing has its own upside.

We can still enjoy a meal without knowing the ingredients

knowing the ingredients and recipe can totally change the experience of a consumer and
it’s not necessary.

[Sage_Ninjistic]

@Billions

Just wanted to create a specific forum for one of the blossoming new discussions in SubClub, 30s microloops.

They’ve gotten considerable attention and recognition over the past few weeks, and these are innovations that are happening in real time that are shocking us all.

For any who have questions or reports on microloops, this thread is for everything to do with them, from how to do them, what they’re for, how long should you run a sub before running a microloop, field reports on microloop testing

@Billions

and microloop memes.

Just getting the maymay started.

[noaha]

I’d also like to know how often we’d need exposure to the full 3-5 minutes in order to maintain microloop (30s) viability.

[Billions]

A post I made about 30s loops. By no means definitive.

@SaintSovereign has seen this post, edited it, and made no comments, so definitely nothing in here is official!!!

@Billions

How to decide whether or not to listen to 30s loops instead of 3-15 minute loops.

According to Saint, one way to tell 30s loops are good for you… If you’ve been listening to a title for 1-2 cycles, started out by getting amazing results, and then those results have stalled, switch to 30s loops and that should reignite the results.

That might be the indicator right there…

if you’ve listened to a subliminal long enough for it to change you as a person to a small degree, at that point, you could probably listen to 30s loops.

The mechanism is that the 30s loops remind you of the full loops, so the full loops need to be integrated into your mind and able to be recalled.

Personally, I think that’s 1-2 cycles where you could start listening to 30s loops.

But at that point, you’ll be mostly maintaining the results, and less focusing on growing the results.

That’s the trade off. 30s loops bring you to the maximum of your current potential. They’re a booster. Use them for fast acting same-day results, more than anything else, and only if you’ve already gotten those results in the past with higher loops (so you know it’s integrated in your mind).

So if you’re at the point with a subliminal where you’ve gotten some results and you want to sustain those results in the short term, and slowly grow them out over a longer period of time, 30s loops might work.

30s loops would still expand your results slowly, but one thing they’re really good at is making them more natural feeling!

In terms of LE, the first thing I needed to do was listen to it long enough to have inconsistent results. Then 30s loops added consistency

Eventually it got to the point where I didn’t need to grow my consciousness anymore by maxing out the most productive day I could ever possibly have. I’ve had days on LE where I’ve grinded 12 hours without feeling tired.

But what I want is to consistently work 7-8 hours, without recon, and to have those results come every day, not just once or twice a week.

So 30s loops make a lot of sense for me because

1. I’ve gotten results with LE
2. My maximum potential has been expanded because of LE
3. I’m happy to live at 80% of my maximum potential on a daily basis
4. I’m happy to slowly grow my potential, rather than blast my ceiling for greater results/recon.

[Billions]

@noaha

I’d also like to know how often we’d need exposure to the full 3-5 minutes in order to maintain microloop (30s) viability.

I think there will be camps.

Like the post I made with Saint’s quote, he says even running 1 loop of a sub at 3 minutes is enough to be able to run 30s loops. Because it’ll remind you of the script.

But I’m more of the camp that it takes 1-2 cycles at the minimum before you really get as much value out of listening to microloops.

Why would you sustain your “peak potential” if your peak potential is almost virtually the same as it was one loop ago?

I’d personally prefer expanding consciousness first, then living at the peak of that expanded consciousness, second.

3+ minute loops are like learning math, with lots of hard work put into it.

30s microloops are like reminding yourselves of what you already know.

30s microloops will help you master the material you’ve already learned, but you’ll want to learn it first.

[Billions]

@Azriel

Easily generate new ideas for wealth generation and increase motivation to act on those ideas. THIS GOES IN AND OUT

For example, Az said that this is one of the results he’s getting with his stack.

30s loops may make this more consistent. He’s getting “in and out” results with it, so, it’d make them more “in” than “out.”

@Azriel

Improve goal setting habits, and completely dissolve all fears around achieving those goals, especially when setting goals that deal with generating wealth, achieving success and cultivating your romance life. I HAVE 70% LESS FEAR AROUND MY BIG GOALS WITH THESE

30s loops with this would keep his fear 70% abated, all the time, without triggering more fear, but also decreasing the fear even further, but with more of a focus on same day results than overall maximum growth.

[Fractal_Explorer]

I think I’m understanding the limitations of the 30s more now. Since it relies on recall of the script I could see the mind deciding to cherry pick what it likes and become a bit tunnel visioned and unyielding to other points of view. So it seems 30s would benefit those who are higher flow factor and more open to new experiences. But I guess it could also benefit hardgainers if they stonewall the entire script, cherry picking might be just what their mind needs.

[Billions]

Guys who listen to other producers’ subliminals for 30 seconds…

Guys who listen to subliminals from SubClub…

[Billions]

Results from 30s commander loops

Background: ran commander for 2 months before this, from April 1 - May 31, and after 2 weeks of listening to commander at 3-15 minutes, I started listening to commander and limitless executive microloops

Limitless Executive + Commander for focus, Monk Mode, possible pairings

Commander The most powerful sales subliminal on the planet. I’m closing at 80% using the Eli Wilde sales-based NLP framework. Unheard of in my industry m. Many of these sales are pay in full. 2 clients were so bought in that they gave me their last dollars as a deposit, just to hold their spot. They GAVE me the last couple hundred dollars they had while waiting for more deals to close, just so that nobody else could steal their spot in the program. One client is recovering from cancer and c…

[Alphamale]

That guy is me, and I approached the 30 sec, had a very good breakup lately​:man_facepalming:t2:

[RayBrower]

Is the micro loop to be listened to everyday?

[gdbdboy]

Saint Sovereign's Journal (Alchemist St4, The Revelation of Mind, The Revelation of Spirit)

I’m doing it daily, but only with two titles per day. Then, I rotate one out and bring in the third. So far, so good. This may be the breakthrough needed for hard gainers, stonewallers and those who can’t handle the full loop.

I think you can .

[Malkuth]

@RayBrower Oops.

What @gdbdboy said.

My bad.

[bombayduck]

Are you guys running microloops on a daily basis, with a “full loop” being run once a week or once a cycle?

[Azriel]

@Azriel

With this experimental or with microloops in general
Can I run 30 seconds of one sub/ this experimental sub everyday
and 5-15 minutes of my others subs loops every day?

Does anyone have a clear answer to this?
I may have missed it

[Azriel]

@Billions

These results were not from 30 second microloops.
This was from running Emperor for years, and more specifically Emperor ZP the last couple of months.
My results on Emperor 30 second microloops are great as well but that’s another discussion.

[Billions]

@Azriel i just really liked how you broke down what was integrated and what wasn’t, and was trying to make the point that as you get results on sub and things start to get integrated, 30s microloops are extra powerful.

Sorry to anyone who thought those were Azriel’s microloop results

[Billions]

Saint Sovereign's Journal (Alchemist St4, The Revelation of Mind, The Revelation of Spirit)

Quick question, I currently started libertine sub, I have already completed about a week or so, so about 4 full 15 min exposure, My question, when can I start experimenting with 5 min or 1 min daily run? Instead of the instructions usage. Is there a certain number or full runs I need to do before doing these short runs? Another question, what would be good stack with libertine? Is emperor good? I’m looking for something that have some wealth element

To answer this question. You don’t have to even start listening to the 15 minute loops from day one.

What Saint does, as you can see in his journal, is listens to subs for 3 minutes, often times for a full cycle or longer, until it gives him no recon. Once 3 mins gives him no recon, he’ll increase to 5 mins. Then once 5 gives no recon, he’ll increase to 8, then 11, then 15.

So to answer your question, you can and maybe even should (in my opinion) start off listening to 3 minutes from day one. See how you feel, and if you’re hyper responsive, stay at 3 minutes. If you’re unresponsive, increase until you find your sweet spot.

And as for listening for 1 minute, which was the other part of your question… no conversations that I know about are currently being had about 1 minute loops. Microloops are considered 30 seconds, and you could listen to a microloop after just one or two loops of a subliminal, especially on your rest days, but maybe it’s better to listen to microloops after at least 10 loops of the major program for at least 3 minutes per loop.

If you feel like 3 mins is giving you recon, and you’ve stuck with that recon for a while but it hasn’t gone away, you can absolutely switch to 30s at any time. The world is your oyster to experiment with. Especially if you’re looking for smaller but highly consistent results with Libertine, on a daily basis, instead of wild results once a week at the club, 30s daily loops with 1-2 three minute loops per week might be your best bet