This whole post from Saint is pure gold to read and then read again… the more understanding you have, the more conscious tools you have.
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It is only coming across as the most prevalent because it is the most obvious and easiest to identify. The New Subliminal Experience’s foundation is based upon unveiling or revealing to the individual all that is holding them back. Since the anti-recon scripting is based upon and expands the NSE, then naturally the first thing many people would realize is that there is a connection between the body and mind.
We actually began to research this around December of 2024, as can be seen here:
And the original version of the anti-recon scripting solely relied on alleviating somatic response. However, what we found during testing is exactly as I said. Only minimal “good results” in regards to lessening recon. But as we’ve always observed, not everyone responds in the same way. Some respond energetically to subliminal audio (subtle energy moving through the body), others are strongly somatic in the sense they need to stretch. Others need to move. To dance. To cry. To contain emotion.
There are an infinite number of responses, none more prevalent than the others. When doing this kind of analysis, one cannot lock onto an idea and “make it true.” By this, I am referring to the natural inclinations of most people when researching the topic of subliminal audio to create a narrative first and then confirm the narrative. In this situation, given that we have a lot of data and information on this, I can confidently say that there are an equal amount of people who don’t report somatic response as those who do.
I would also point out that somatic response was not something openly reported (we had to look very closely to see it) until this topic came into the open discussion, and now more people are reporting it. The issue with this is that now the data becomes inherently skewed, because people are aware and looking at it. In the past, what we considered a strong result is something that was not as openly stated and yet people picked up on it anyway.
This is more difficult to achieve with our current tools-based modality, in which the entire script is summarized and presented as various tools. Now, people are going to look for these things and report it more. We chose to provide the individual with more information, even if it meant that the subtle connections we used to look for would be diminished (we keep saying that with ZPU, you’ll understand how this works). We prepared for it.
Now, none of this diminishes the helpful role that strategies like TRE and the such plays. In fact, as you can see from the thread I posted, I would advocate for it. Strategies that release tension in the body are potentially (I am still undecided) one of the only things that I would openly state to mix with our subliminal audio.
However, what I’m discussing does affect the notion of prevalence, which – in my opinion – is a data point or metric. And when we do our analysis of results, there are strict controls to prevent “dirty data” from messing up the analysis. As I’ve said before, that is the true “secret” of Subliminal Club. @Fire and myself are extremely adapt at seeing subtle patterns and connections within large sets of disparate data and then drawing complex, yet precise conclusions.
Now, I don’t want anyone to think that I am being harsh on anyone. I am not. The strategies being discussed here have the potential to become extremely helpful. What’s happening is as many people use the cognitive enhancement titles, or through their own efforts without subs, they are now wanting to delve deep into their own Zero Point and learn how they truly work, with the title serving as a catalyst.
My only goal here is to inform, inspire and educate on the nature of Zero Point itself. When dealing with that subject – as someone who has done this for a long time – the only way you can find success is through universality. What are the things that truly link us together as people, what is the relationship between collective and individual?
And so, we observe the outer and seek deeper meaning. I gave this example before.
If I ask, what is this? Some of you will say a television. Others will say it’s entertainment. @Fire and I would say that is glamour and illusion – there is nothing that comes across this screen that is depicted exactly as it happened. It has been edited multiple times, color graded, reviewed by large teams of people who approve a certain message.
For us, the “mystery” of recon is hidden in what I just said, and thus we can respond accordingly if necessary.
EDIT: So yes, if everyone wants to work with TRE, the concepts of contraction, etc. that is being discussed here, please do and report back. I don’t know about those focus tapes that @Sub.Zero is using, I highly recommend NOT MIXING our titles with these. However, efforts on understanding the tension in the body and how that relates to the mind is very good.
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This, of course, points to the need to explore it even further and is the very reason I created the thread. I’m glad you’re of the same opinion.
As I mentioned, we are a psychosomatic system and we can’t boil it all down to the ‘somatic layer’, as pointed by you.
I started posting about my somatic trauma response, clearly amplified by recon, at least two years ago.
WB has boosted my emotional regulation and SSX my EQ, and that alone helps me deal with the trauma-response reconciliation I get on a daily basis, although it’s really slight, transient and, thanks to that boost, easily manageable.
My original post . (This is the clearest report on the issue I could find, which is one year old).
Yet I thought I just had to accept being “broken” and that nothing could be done about it until I accidentally “fixed” myself three weeks ago, when I found a way to neutralize the aforementioned response.
I’ve seen somatic recon — that is, people reporting increased social anxiety or the so-called ‘flight’ response — countless times. Of course, one could argue it’s a psychosomatic phenomenon, and they would be right… partially, since the ‘somatic layer’ is dominant here.
Moreover, pendulation is a recognized theory upon which people with trauma are successfully treated.
What actually happened was that, upon my ‘miraculous’ healing from the aforementioned somatic trauma response, I realized that, apart from being the natural trauma recovery process, pendulation also occurs in response to almost any stimulus (including subs) that goes beyond the psychosomatic capability of our system. When that happens, the system, unable to deal with it in its ‘safe mode,’ produces stress energy to handle it — which is precisely why trauma gets trapped in our system when such stimuli are repeated consistently.
Thanks to my whole system becoming much stronger (kudos to Earth and TRE), the energy generated by the usual stimuli (triggers) no longer overwhelms me since it’s no longer being converted into stress energy. Instead, it’s simply channeled — not only to handle the triggers like a boss, but also to take ‘natural action’ rather than ending up in contraction (which, in my case, was mostly the somatic type of recon).
For example, now on WANTED, instead of my system shutting down when I see a beautiful woman who’s into me — as it used to when the stress energy became overwhelming — the energy generated by that stimulus (encountering an attractive woman interested in me) is channeled into taking ‘natural action,’ such as showing her my interest and opening up a conversation.
This is fine. We still will not be adding this specific modality to the scripts. We have already discussed our method as stated above, which is based upon the universality of the customer base. As we can all see, this works well. We will continue along our current line of development.
The issue here isn’t whether these ideas can help with growth or not. The issue is the reframing of recon as purely a somatic phenomenon and with individuals by creating numerous “subclasses” of recon that may or may not be accurate. This will lead to confusion, misunderstanding and more work for the support staff, the moderation team and ourselves.
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I’m afraid I was terribly misunderstood. As I mentioned multiple times, pendulation is a psychosomatic process, and only later did I point out its physical aspect as dominant and prominent — which shouldn’t be surprising to anyone, I imagine. However, I won’t be causing any further confusion, since I agree with what’s written below.
Cheers.
So, here’s the culprit:
Of course, that inner physical contraction can be more or less pronounced in individuals during recon. However, from what I’ve seen in others’ posts over time — and in my own experience — this physical contraction is something that would be worth further investigation.
I’m sharing my conversation about that with @RagnarLothbrok, yet he and I are not exceptions.
me: I think all of us should focus more on readjusting our alchemical matrix with H:TLTB if we really want to see our reality bent.
him: Yes Hero is amazing, Earth eliminates the physical symptoms of recon, Water the emotional symptoms and Air the mental symptoms, Fire makes you take action towards you goals which increase the results from other subliminals.
me: Is physical recon what you get on seduction and social subs only?
him: I used to get it most on healing subs, DR, Total Breakdown also got it on Ascension a lot.
And he reported this only 1.5 ago:
This is how powerful Earh and what it addresses are.
I’m leaving it as it is now, since I’ve resolved that issue (the somatic aspect of recon) — and so has RagnarLothbrok. I won’t be investigating it any further.
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It is likely because of the difference in trauma load, which is the sum of lifetime trauma and generational trauma. Usually it’s like 10%% of lifetime trauma for people without history of serious traumatic events and 90% of generational ones
I think everyone here with high processing queue, who is able to get fast results with low recon are people with low-to-none overall trauma load. They are also naturally joyful, energetic, happy, etc.
Individuals with low trauma load are able to feel subtle energy moving, while the ones with higher loads will have the somatic responses: stretches, dancing, crying, etc.
Individuals with mid-to-high trauma load would notice those stretches, desires to dance, exercise, etc.
And then there are individuals with very high trauma load like myself (even though I don’t have any lifetime traumas, my parents, grandparents and great grandparents all lived through very serious traumatic events such as war). I’d not feel recon consciously, wouldn’t have any sensitivity to know what subs are working on, and my results were usually subpar. And none of the “usual” techniques worked for me, such as meditation, semen retention, exercise would leave me exhausted (not energized like most people) and I’d hit plateau in strength and muscle growth extremely fast, no matter the diet/sleep/training program. There are many more things
Now after more than a year of doing TRE, I’m slowly moving from my normal “symptoms” of “very high traumatic load” to the symptoms of mid traumatic load, and even sometimes to the “symptoms” of lower trauma load (feeling subtle energy, etc.)
So yes, I believe this difference is because of different trauma load.
Just my experience confirms it. Would be interesting to look at other folks here but generally, I believe everyone should be doing TRE lol
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I’m making extremely fast progress with Earth + TRE. I’ve been doing it for only about a week, but the changes in my calmness and energy levels are insane. Today, I noticed that I’m regaining a greater ability to feel my bodily sensations and emotions. It’s also much easier to enter deeper relaxation states when doing my Focus 10 tape #2.
Interestingly, while doing tape #2 two hours ago, I experienced a couple of involuntary twitches in my body.
The only real trauma left to resolve, from what I can see, is when people laugh behind my back — I lose the sense of comfort in my body for a few seconds, fighting the sensation by telling myself it has nothing to do with me. I’ve made significant progress in that regard, however.
My initial trauma load (ten years ago) was intense. Because of prolonged childhood abuse, I suffered from derealization, depersonalization, depression, and what was likely neurological anxiety well into my late teens.
On top of that, the generational trauma passed to me through my father was that of being an ‘unwanted child’ — his mother wanted to abort him, and when he was born (at his father’s wish) she was cold toward him throughout his entire childhood.
Moreover, when I was 20 (I’m 42 now), my little brother stabbed himself to death. I couldn’t shake it off until about two years ago.
Most of it (I think around 90%) has been resolved. However, my nervous system and somatic trauma response were extremely resistant to healing. The somatic trauma response fixed within the last three weeks, mainly thanks to Earth and TRE. I’m healing my nervous system with Earth + TRE + walnuts.
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There’s usually a bathtub progression, in which the progress is fast at the beginning, then its speed drops considerably in the middle of the journey, and then it slowly increases again right until you are free from all trauma
Unless you used neurogenic tremors mechanisms specifically, I’d say it would still take you at least 4-8 years of TRE to resolve all traumas, not just to learn to live with them
Trauma is basically any situation in which you had “freeze” reaction and didn’t tremor afterwards. While it’s possible that this event is a traumatic one, it’s extremely likely there’s a ton of other events about which you, nor your parents/grandparents might not even be aware of. And generational trauma goes up to 4 generations, as far as I remember.
I haven’t really found any exact ways to gauge how much trauma load you have except for just trying out different things like SR, exercise, meditation, etc. and seeing if you are able to make fast progress, and if you are even able to make progress at all
And even then, it’s just a rough estimation like “I have a high trauma load”. In many cases it’s also wrong too, because some people think that because they had a lot of trauma during their life time, their traumatic load is high, which is not always the case. Generational trauma takes up more “space”
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What do you mean by that? I though that TRE I do uses those mechanisms.
I can tell, since my ancestors were highlanders — strong, stubborn but kindhearted people who lived peaceful lives. I can feel their spirit in my very marrow, so to speak.
I will not go deep into this but for your own sake and the sake of innocent minded people reading your previous posts I highly recommend that you stay away from numbers when it comes to describing amount of traumas, types of traumas and timeline of healing traumas.
Everyone is highly unique and there is more layers to a person than ‘trauma’ and more ‘types’ of limitations than just current life trauma and generational trauma.
Healing is not a linear event that can be gaged within time-frames.
I’m not here to argue what you believe in, but simply add a perspective.
It’s your choice to believe what you’ve heard and put a definite limit on things you don’t actually know for sure.
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How has Earth helped with your somatic issues, if I may ask?
I mean if you used them before TRE. If you worked through your traumas and had neurogenic tremors, then they can be considered resolved. If not, it’s likely you just learnt to live with them, rather than freeing yourself from them
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I only gave one number - 4-8 years. It’s the average time it takes to complete TRE journey
And it’s not my idea either - it’s from Dr. Eric Robbins, and it was included in David Berceli’s book “Shake it Off Naturally”. And David Berceli created TRE
Of course there are more traumas, it’s just one differentiation. I never said it’s the only one differentiation
It is a non linear event, which will eventually come to a finish (=clearing all traumas), and it was observed that on average, it takes 4-8 years of TRE to heal all traumas. And so far I have not seen any other modality except TRE that claims to heal all trauma. So yes, the time frame is not applicable to those modalities because they don’t promise an end to it. But it is applicable to TRE
I never put any definite limits here. I said that it’s been observed that it takes 4-8 years on average. It doesn’t mean that it will take everyone 4-8 years of consistent practice.
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I was also referring to this one here and all the subsequent explanations about ‘low and high load trauma’.
On this website people also use subliminals which have a strong impact on ‘traumas’ and ‘healing speed’ so these numbers are irrelevant at best.
I’d say these are the most helpful passages for explaining what is going on.
I’d say I can see that kind of theme throughout a lot of my research on the way to developing solid experience with the subtle bodies etc and methods of direct knowledge on my Black journal (as well as some insights I’ve been having that I haven’t posted about)
Interestingly, as someone who’s been quite cerebral in the past, a lot of my work has been on clarifying problems with incorrect connections between ideas or adjusting definitions to make them more accurate (although the somatic and other levels get involved as well ultimately). I’ve also been seeing where my experiential knowledge or skill needs to be improved where there is also good mental or observational understanding but a need to train or look more deeply. Just adding this as an example of how my anti-recon process has been different from the ideas discussed here (the core concepts of which I’m already familiar with)
If you consider those numbers irrelevant, I have nothing to say. They are obvious, there’s nothing to explain here
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It’s all good, there’s indeed no need for explanation.
I am simply safeguarding innocent bystanders from swallowing random numbers as an ‘obvious’ fact.
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Is there anything to do beyond TRE once the tremors have been resolved?
Shadow work or energy work, perhaps?
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From what I’ve researched, for trauma work, TRE seems to be the final answer
After TRE, you can explore spirituality, everything will work better - meditation, pranayama, etc. - because you won’t have any blockages
There’s a guy on reddit who says that meditation, pranayama, semen retention and stuff like that didn’t work on him at all before TRE. And after 6 years of TRE, once he cleared all traumas, it started to work, and he had exceptionally fast progress in all of them
I don’t know if that’s the correct theory but so far, with my experience, I’m inclined to believe it.
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