I would be grateful for any insight into your washout.
will be posting up a update in my journal. I would say taking a long break from sub was a really one of the best thing i done, say a lot of modules that i didn’t think was working activate
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Why an I not surprised?
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Because we matched instantly? 
It might work well. Rest days will likely become more important. Make sure you are seeing results on 1 program before adding more.
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could work well.
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Tough love time:
Then follow the instructions and STOP TRYING TO BRUTE FORCE YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS INTO COMPLIANCE. We’ve said this so many times, and yet people get their egos involved and do the exact opposite, thinking they’re “tough” enough to deal with it. With our subliminals, sometimes less is more, especially when you’re dealing with the technology we’re using.
If you stop running a title for 10 days and you’re still feeling it process, what does that mean? Incorporate more rest days into your listening pattern. To me, this is just common sense, but I guess we’re going to have to end the practice of allowing people to experiment, because when we do, this happens.
We were reluctant to push guidelines for Qv2 and Ultima v2, simply because listening to subliminals (and any act of Alchemy, for that matter) is an intensely personal experience. No one approach works for everyone. We’re hoping that we can build a community of people who can logically breakdown their results and determine what’s best for them without us having to force any kind of listening pattern, but if “the subs are too powerful” becomes a negative point, we’ll have to end that policy. Seriously, you know this is reconciliation manifesting.
The subs are TOO powerful? lol, how does this even become a THING? Answer: reconciliation. 
Let this be a lesson to anyone who believes we’re lying when we give recommendations (including the number of modules you should include in a custom). Our recommendations are not marketing gimmicks or just made up in order to create the illusion of our sub’s effectiveness.
Rest days are necessary. Reduced loops and washouts when you notice you’re close to reconciliation or overload is necessary. Stop overestimating what you’re capable of running, use the titles properly and enjoy what they bring.
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Words of wisdom here!
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I’ll add I had to take 21+ rest days to overcome some reconciliation.
I know it’s tempting to think that:
Listening to subliminals = making progress
AND THEREFORE
Not listening to subliminals = not making progress
But that’s just false.
Both are needed for the other to work.
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I’m finally somewhat ok with the rest days and the washouts although it does feel like if you listen less you’re results will take significantly longer
I could be very wrong. I’m not the maker of these and I’m trying to be more flexible and adaptable.
I just turned 53 and I still feel like I’m rapidly running out of time to achieve anything. That is probably an insanely unhealthy level of desperation. I sometimes wish like hell I could let go and not be so attached to any outcome
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That just seems like a gigantic waste of time
One thing I’ve noticed is that the first 1-2 days off subs my mind wants to trick me into listening more. But after a couple of days it’s the other way around and the mind goes, damn processing days are awesome, look at all that energy and mental clarity, why go back to listening!
It could be compared to when you are out drinking(wet nights) I guess. Mostly you want to continue drinking to keep the high going, but only to a certain point. After that you become hangover and alcohol is the last thing on your mind.
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the last half of this is related to me been feeling like i have to find my own path to listening to QV2, i have some ideas on how to run my stack going forward will experiment and grow as a subliminal user, thanks saint
Define “unnatural,” and explain what right you have – as a singular individual – to determine what’s “natural” or not?
@hermit, you know I’ve always been fond of you, but aren’t you in your very early 20s? Based upon what experiences are you claiming that you – barely out of his teenage years – to know the extent of human evolution?
Says who? And the number of suggestions hasn’t gone up. It’s the way it’s been written – a testament to my overarching point. You’re making a lot of assumptions without any real insight as to what we’ve done.
This metaphor is incorrect. You won’t have ridiculous lethargy and anxiety if you run the title as intended. I think Qv2 is hurting your ego a bit, since you’ve found pride in your ability to run more loops than most people, thinking your subconscious was so hardened / tough that you could get away with it. Now, since it’s starting to affect you, you’re coming up with this wild theory that we’ve somehow broken a “natural law” and you need to stop running them.
And this is a prime example of reconciliation, my friends. As I stated in the new support article, it’s very tricky and it’ll convince you of some rather… odd things in order to get you to quit. In this situation, Hermit has suggested that we have somehow discovered the key to the universe and life itself apparently, and since we are “violating” some kind of “natural law,” he must stop.
Occam’s razor ya’ll – all things being equal, the simplest answer must be the truth. Soooo, I can tell you now, we have not discovered the nature of reality and decided to hack it, we just discovered how to make very effective subliminals, lol. The issue is, this industry attracts explorers and adventurers – people who don’t like to follow rules, that’s why they are who they are and they can do what they do. Except in this case, you need to follow the damn guidelines and STOP TRYING TO BRUTE FORCE YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS INTO SUBMISSION.
Lest… you end up creating some really odd ideas about what’s going on.
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There are a couple of misconceptions here:
- “Unnaturalness”, the principles you outline and subliminals.
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From what I see, your definition of naturalness is being congruent to “Life” and “God”.
Reality has equal parts Life and Death. Is this not so? The natural cycle of life and reality is a continuous cycle of birth, life, death, repeat.
You can see it in nature, with the seasons changing. You can see it in our own lives where we grow old and die. You can see it in people’s personal journeys.
You can see it in stories in legends, where great heroes go through massive struggling, some even die and are reborn.
That is the natural state of the universe, the one that “God” (remember, we don’t push any beliefs on you) has created.
Now, are there some spiritual traditions that attempt to avoid this? Indeed, but they are well aware that the natural state of the universe is this very same cycle of life and death, and they know they are trying to “break” the cycle.
If you want to become a great individual, you will go through ups and downs. There is nothing wrong or unnatural about that. @SaintSovereign went through extreme hardships, with his car breaking down in the desert and staring at the darkest abyss before becoming Saint Sovereign.
I went through a minute of pure, complete knowing that my heart is going to stop and I will die the very next moment while I was doing my spiritual practice… and that is just the tip of it. I went through years of incessant grinding for my businesses while keeping an extremely strict schedule of spiritual and physical training for many hours per day (and still do).
You MUST go through hardships to transcend your limitations. Stop fearing reconciliation. It is not unnatural.
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Having the subliminal be processed for a week afterwards is not unnatural either. It is powerful and affects you deeply, indeed. That is why you must alter your approach.
Does this mean development should stop because “this is our evolutionary limit”?
Absolutely not.
We are Subliminal Club - we break limits and we advance human potential.
Does this mean we will continue increasing the power of our subliminals?
Yes.
Does this mean this will result in even more reconciliation?
Not necessarily.
Here’s the thing, and I’m not saying any of this out of malice, don’t misinterpret.
You don’t know what developments are happening behind the scenes.
Q+ is not a simple linear increase in power. That would simply be stupid.
What we are striving for is incredible, deep, transformational change that is as smooth as possible. Remember, there will always be hardship when it comes to deep change that is of any worth, but our mission is to always strive for perfection and get you the deepest change the smoothest way possible.
This means working on numerous other factors, rather than just straight up power. You already know this, @Hermit, as you’ve been with us for a long time now. In fact, we dislike having to give “estimates” on power as power is not all.
Q+ is likely to be quite a bit more powerful, but also incredibly smoother. Reconciliation as we know it might be a thing of the past.
Y’all just have no idea what we have been working on for so, so many months, because Q+ is going to be as revolutionary as the original Q launch was, if not more.
Finally, some things work better at smaller amounts of repetitions. Some bodybuilders cannot workout a body part twice a week - they only do it once per week, so as to let it rest for a full week. Does this mean their approach is wrong? No.
Don’t be stuck in black and white thinking. Day to day development is amazing and you should incorporate it, but dismissing everything else is erroneous and limiting how much you can grow.
- Subliminal barrier.
Yes, Qv2 is at the forefront of subliminal technology, there is no question about it. Nothing comes close in the market to it (and we tested it all).
The mistake here is thinking that it cannot go further.
Humanity cannot grow without pushing the boundary. To give you an example (not a perfect one) that might be dear to your heart - Milarepa, a Tibetan Siddha was a murderer with an incredible amount of blood on his hands, yet he wanted to cultivate himself spiritually. Many would say that it would be useless for him to do so - yet he became a Siddha.
He did this by pushing the boundary of what was thought possible.
You want humanity to grow up? This is how humanity grows up - by fighting with all its might to become better, to advance its potential.
And that is what we will do.
We will push the technology further, and there will not be a requirement for you to be an evolved, highly spiritual being - it will be a profound tool of self-cultivation for all.
- Spirits.
How exactly the subconscious mind works - no one knows exactly. Stating that it works through forcing spirits to do your bidding is a very… weak standpoint.
Your subconscious mind is an incredibly powerful tool. That is the main mover, the one responsible. Might it coax spirits to help you out? Perhaps, but it would be only one of a trillion ways to do so, and we simply cannot know for sure.
You simply cannot know the exact method the subconscious mind is going to use, and stating it must be spirits is erroneous.
Ultimately, everyone has their own path. If yours consists of leaving subliminals, that is fine. Walk the path you have chosen proudly. Do be mindful however, not to misinform or make blanket statements. As @SaintSovereign loves to say, your subjective opinion does not determine objective reality.
And if you do decide to continue running subliminals… you’ll be stunned at what we have in store.
Either way, you will always have a home with us here.
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@SaintSovereign @Fire I made the obvious mistake on Friday of running R.I.C.H. with my two daily loops of Dragon Reborn and have felt like shit since. I took off yesterday and today. Should I take another day or so off to see how I feel?
Yes — there’s nothing wrong with rest days. They are just as important as listening to the sub.
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Looking forward to try this new version.
Lets hope Q+ will be better in everyway.
@Fire when do you think Q+ will be ready?
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bruh
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