Yes ive done all that guess its still early time people are different, some people get faster results than others guess I am expecting too much too soon.
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Would it be possible to add yin yoga to the mix? The slow stretching yoga type.
At some point, if someone is journaling, taking action and don’t see an improvement, he should only accept that it will take more time for him.
You seem to take good action already. People have different skills and aptitudes. So for some people (positive) results will take 1 week for some other it will take 3 months. Good luck 
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Eat some good food, take some nutritional supplements.
Thank you for your feedback
since I’m being referenced in this old quote, I want to clarify: in the end I got results from Khan. it is actually one of my favorite subs. the problem in my case was not that I did not take action but that I listened to it too much.
This was long before there were any official listening instructions and I just did what all people did back then: listening to it for several hours per day which was complete nonsense as Q was already very powerful back then. When I listened to so many loops, I got a lot of recon with mostly none positive effect and the few positive effects only came in waves.
I am doing now an experiment with Qv1 where I listen only to 1 loop every 2 days (basically the listening instructions for the stronger Qv2) and I feel like I’m getting the whole script after only 1 loop. I now know how @Invictus must feel who can do this with the stronger formats. When I do this with Qv2 or ZP, I’m only feeling a fraction of the script with quite some recon. So Saint is really right when he says that less is really more.
I even wrote this back then:
which is complete nonsense as I just realized. Always thought that I’m a hardgainer but in reality I’m very sensible to it. I was just in recon as I did too many loops, so I did not realize it. (having no or few results can also be recon)
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Great feedback.
What pattern did you use at the end?
So from your experience one should experiment with 1 loop every 2 or every 3 days or 1 loop a week before even thinking about trying a hard gainer listening pattern?
when I listened to Khan back then I did not get the full potential of Khan and a lot of recon but I still liked the few effects that I got from it. when I would listen to Khan Q nowadays I would get much better results with the knowledge I got now about what I can do and what I can’t when it comes to subs.
yes, definitely. listen less to it. Saint even suggested somewhere to only listen 5min to a ZP title and then stop it but this is still something very experimental.
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thanks 
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When someone has a disease or illness for a long period of time, one tends to develop a sense of defeatism, possibly a negative stance on life.
This fact alone can slow down healing even impede it.
In my humble opinion, the best tool for clearing this landscape up is Rebirth Ultima.
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You have only been running Paragon for thirteen days, and you have a long term medical problem. I would say that it’s going to need considerably more time to actually provide relief.
Paragon will help in addition to whatever medical or therapeutic things you’re doing, but it’s not instant. Just stick to it, do everything else you do to help, and see how you feel in a few months.
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Thank you very much for your advice my friend yes guess I expect it to work in a day. I am stacking mindseye and paragon zp. Have you had positive results from the titles on this site and if so what ones have you been using and how long did it take to get results?
I’ve had positive results from a lot of titles here.
As far as how long it takes, it depends on what titles and what results.
You can see improvements in attitude, thinking, body language and the like pretty much instantly, but running a title longer will always get you better.
In your case though, you’re running paragon to heal serious physical damage to your body. Even if that is happening as fast as your body is capable of making it happen, it’s still going to take some time.
I can tell you that Paragon works. My wife started seeing some reduction in her MS symptoms after the first loop of the ZP version. They’re nowhere near gone, and she will probably have to be on Paragon for the rest of her life, but it’s noticeable.
Thank you Wolfe so shall I stick to paragon zp mindseye zp every other day and just persist with it do 21 days then 5 off then 21 days on. Why do you have to have a 5 day break are zp that powerful?
That would seem to be what the second safety notice of the Zero Point Listening Instructions is suggesting.
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The way I think it might work is the paragon might challenge your subconscious is to ask the question “So what can I do to help cure my hip.bursitis pain”. Have you found yourself googling on line to find a cure ? or booking in with a specialist practitioner ?. These i believe are signs that the sub is working. The body might already working on a cure for the pain. Perhaps this might take longer then the 2 weeks.
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I used to previous version and it help alleviated back pains. I believe it also helped me find a suitable massage therapist to help look at the issue.
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Yes Ive been to see a physio and she gave me hip strengthening exercises to do which I am doing. Guess I am expecting miracles but I will be paitent and continue using it thank you.
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Have you ever tried Trauma Release Exercises (TRE)? There are good resources in how to do it in youtube.
It helped me to get rid of back pain, it releases all the stored tension and stress from you back and body.
I was also using Paragon Ultima and Elixir, if I remember correctly.
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