Heartsong or Lovebomb would be far better in that regard. It all boils down to worthiness and self acceptance. Both of which are multilayered with endless depths to reach and solidify
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Primal could be the move here if your energy is off. IMO, that comes from being needy, or really having any agenda at all.
I think a lot of guys try to be to cool/sexy/attractive as their focus and that can backfire.
Girls will respond to fun/playful/self amused 100X over being cool. Old RSD infield videos would give you an idea of the vibe rhat actually works. I tend to take this to the extreme, like I am full on obnoxious and rediclous when I go out (in a socially calibrated way), to the point where I would imagine my friends are thinking “did he really just do/say that”.
If you look around at rhe guys dating rhe most attractive women, most of the time they are just regular looking, funny guys, who can go out and be a good time, not be weird, and who are comfortable with who they are. Shane Gillis is an example, of the type of guy that actually does well with women.
This is the type of vibe that primal can help cultivate. Once your already that fun guy that everyone loves, you are funny, charismatic, cool social group, then play around with the other stuff, but I honestly believe until then your not really even in the game.
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100% agree with @Niles here. In my experience, I’d always get girls when I was in my fun, not giving an f mood. And I have some friends who embody that energy easily and they seem to get girls like its nothing
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The three major issues I see here are trying to hasten your growth, trying to run advanced subs while still in the healing process, and not addressing the key aspects of your development with subs that are anchored in your reality—where your habitual actions and daily behaviors are enough to make great progress without a significant need to step far out of your comfort zone.
No worries, these are the most cardinal sins at SC, lol. On the bright side, thanks to WB, you’ve uncovered the areas that need the most improvement. Now, it’s about working on them with subs that specifically address those aspects and, again, are anchored in your reality. Perhaps the new True Social paired with SSX will be all you need.
Running WB helped me realize that my main issue is
and for that reason, I’m focused on becoming financially independent—to the point where I can have a lifestyle I deem best for me, which naturally opens up a whole new world of possibilities relevant to WB.
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Subs are not some alchemical ingredients that need to be mixed and mashed toghether to perfection in order to create a potion, stack, which solves any and all issues.
They only enhance what is allready within. They dont ” give ” or ” make ” anyone do anything. ” You are ZP, You cant lie to ZP ” etc. If at any point this simple truth forgotten or ignored then the issue is far bigger. You cant change an effect with another effect, only by changing the cause
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What will you be working with to reach that financial independence?
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Mini update:
I ran TB with DRR2 and Emperor — absolutely unreal. Crazy!!!
The intense sense of dominance is insane. Women were checking me out purely because of the dominant body language I was projecting.
My music of choice has been heavy rock.
One girl blushed just from me looking at her (this has happened with her before when I used WB, but not to this degree).
That said, I don’t think it’s reasonable to run 3 heavy titles.
DRR2 with Emperor should be more than enough — both offer strong masculine healing and enhancement.
I might use TB once a week. I can see how even a few TB cycles could prep you for WB.
Running them together might amplify results.
Honestly, even Khan Total Breakdown alone seems to shift how women respond — the dominance speaks louder than any seduction tactic. Just being a strong, grounded man makes them stare.
My gut feeling told me to run WB too — didn’t go well, lol.
But I’ve learned a lot from using TB with the other two.
Maybe I can handle it?
Still, I wouldn’t want it to overshadow Dragon Reborn RED.
So not sure.
It might help, honestly. But it’s not going to build a powerful alpha foundation or support wealth development.
Primal would definitely help elevate my vibe and create that fun, magnetic energy.
The status boost I got from it was insane — women bought me drinks, one even fell hard (whether it was love or lust, not sure, but it was intense).
Still, I felt more alpha on Emperor.
I think I need something that pushes me — maybe Primal can help over a few cycles, but Emperor feels powerful.
You’re totally right — that’s a great tip.
I should probably give Primal another shot at some point, maybe with SSX like @Sub.Zero mentioned.
Definitely still on the table.
Yup — they absolutely respond to fun energy.
But they also respond to purpose-driven energy — the kind Emperor or Khan radiates.
I think women resonate with different types of guys, and both ends of the spectrum work.
My only concern: Primal alone might not help build wealth.
Yeah, WB and Wanted were probably way too advanced for where I was.
But when I picked OG Wanted, I didn’t know that.
Navigating these titles as a newbie is tough — takes time to really understand them.
Now I’m just hoping Emperor or Khan aren’t too advanced for me either.
And thanks to Dragon Reborn RED, too.
Thanks everyone for the insights and feedback!
I hope it helps someone
I found a post fire wrote:
Running TB before using WB could help enhance the benefits!
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Man what even is an alpha foundation? I had a somewhat zesty relative who was the furthest thing away from ” alpha ” and a virgin at the time on top of being abused, moved home from home all his life… but he had a pureness to him. He was genuine and fun…
Had him try stark and power can curropt, now Emp:will to power, ZPv1 and barely told him what they did. The madlad got more results than me in a single month than i had an entire year on my first year on subs. Had bunch of female friends who invited him and got him connected to everyone in the city and even outside. He had his cake and ate it too long after he stopped using both. Had sex with 3 girls from being a virgin in a single month and many more who still keep in contact with him.
Using inferior versions of stark and pcc, with nothing beside being himself he took off. He set such high standards with inferior subs and little effort.
Now hes ” too chill to remeber using em anymore despite me paying ”.
Then again he somehow bypassed the redpill game which convinced him he need this and that!
No game, No alpha, no foundation, the furthest thing away from a normal childhood, no luck in life but he had mad flow and enjoyed spreading positivity without taking. He lacked so much but had what truly matters. Self acceptance, which cant be granted by subs or anything but ourselves regardless of the arbitrarly conditions we just cant stop letting go off in order to justify what we truly lack
Almost forgot! He is 165 cm tall, and his catchphrase is ” i am only short until they get to know me for real bruv ”
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It’s the respect a man has for himself — and what he naturally projects to the world.
Honestly, that’s a great story, and I really appreciate you sharing it.
I’m still trying to figure out your suggestion here. Running Wanted and WB pulled me into my head instead of helping me let go.
That revealed the missing piece — the lack of a solid sense of me as an alpha male.
It’s not just about self-love.
It’s a deep, unshakable belief that I can handle whatever comes my way — and not caring too much about the opinions of people I barely know.
It’s the process of deconstructing years of social conditioning.
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If you were to look at a 1x1 meter world map hung on a wall. How much would you see standing an inch away from it? would it help moving around to see more? how much can you grasp, connect and understand looking at it from the same distance?
You are probably not wrong in your assessment. It is what you are seeing, most of what you see currently. You move around trying to see the map using and thinking about different subs as each view you see has something but lacks the other…
I can tell at one point you, and possibly many other users here, imagined a world where the sub stack limit was 5 or 10 instead of 3 believing it would make everything easier…
Now lets take a step back and try to see the full map. Lets imagine a world without subs! Could you become the man you are working towards without them? If the stack limit was a mere 1 sub per cycle and another would cause severe recon and stagnation. Would you believe your goals impossible with a single sub?
Now, im not trying to sell you on using no subs or a single sub. I simply want you to re asses your goals from the lense of no subs / only one. Surely it’s possible without subs or a single one. Millionaires, players, alphas etc existed and were made long before them.
Now that we see the full picture. Ask yourself these questions!
1: Could you become the best version of the man you dream of being without subs?
2: What would you do and how?
3: You get to pick a single sub! Saint and Fire only allow 1 sub per year per user. what will it be to enhance your progress towards your goals… What will you pick? but you have to fully commit to one for a full year while completely trusting yourself to know you are enough. That you need not look elsewhere beside within and towards your actions.
4: But wait, you get to pick another one. How lucky you are! How blessed you are compared to billions of oblivious people who are unaware and unwilling to try the affordable life changing tech we overthink about… As long as you commit to both.
5: Yet again, you are blessed by Zeus himself and get to use a 3rd. But only if the 1st and 2nd are sufficent enough on their on. The 3rd is not even needed. It’s a boost to the boosters which ultimatly boost you.
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ZP is built in a way that no title is too advanced, and everyone can benefit from running each title to some degree, just like you did with WB, even though you might have noticed little to no results, and they were not what you expected. ZP will always find its way, but the thing is, that way may not be optimal for what you want to develop if the title is advanced, which means it requires tons of action—often way beyond your current comfort zones and life circumstances. It means it’s not strongly anchored in your reality.
WB is not strongly anchored in your reality, and it was trying to execute through whatever means were available. However, that was not enough to achieve the results you expected. For that reason, you were in a specific kind of recon. In the past, this was called stonewalling and was largely related to being overexposed to scripting. However, on ZP, it stems from a vast discrepancy between your intent and expectations and the results you’re getting. In this sense, you stonewalled by not receiving anything related to what you intended or expected, even though some results must have been there due to how ZP works
As you can see above and have experienced yourself, these kinds of results are really easy to attain since they’re all about changing your energy level, aura, and body language. They don’t require stepping beyond your current comfort zones, as they are strongly anchored in your reality—going out and being among women is already part of what you do. Building upon these results makes it much easier to push past your comfort zones and achieve the outcomes you desire.
It’s much easier to achieve these kinds of results and gradually push beyond your comfort zones to get what you desire than to seduce women in the way WB offers. This kind of seduction is extraordinary because it’s about possessing everything—both their bodies and minds. You’re like a demon who has claimed their very souls.
When I was running WB, it found its way by helping me massively improve my looks and my dressing style.
When I had a lover, I made her obsessed with me naturally and quickly. I claimed her soul for several months.
As you can see, no sub is too advanced since ZP will always find its way. The key is to avoid stonewalling and find a more optimal path to achieve the exact results you desire.
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This is huge. Took me awhile to understand “the razor method”, but constant awareness around your biggest constants or roadblocks, as well as awareness around the path of least resistance/most opportunities for action is 
I think that it’s for the above reason, that cognitive, mental clarity, and spirituals subs, always stand out to me. Improved awareness is where it all starts.
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Spot on, bruv!
Self-acceptance is the key as one cannot lie to ZP:
I know your mate didn’t listen to subs in ZP, but all subs tap into self-affirmation through affirmations in the scripting. Effective self-affirmation must be based on self-acceptance. The core of self-acceptance is self-honesty—without it, there’s no way to truly accept yourself for who you are and how you are.
It must be really hard to affirm yourself through subliminal affirmations and by reaffirming life experiences when you don’t even know yourself, let alone accept yourself. You don’t want to know the truths about yourself because they can be really painful. The fear of that pain keeps you trapped in your self-made illusions—lies about yourself that you keep telling yourself and others.
Debunking those lies and illusions is so scary that our mind tries to fight them off, which results in recon. ZP is a truth trial. I think everyone should be aware of that. Every lie or self-made illusion your mind clings to makes reconciliation harder.
Thanks to the NSE, the whole process of discernment (between self-made illusions and truths) becomes much easier, as our daily experiences help us navigate the trial at our own pace. They greatly aid in distinguishing between truth and self-deception. That discerning faculty is developed during our truth trial (when running ZP).
Self-deception is the way we cope with the fear of the truth about who we are and how we are. ZP helps us ease into the truth.
What we need for swifter self-affirmation is also self-worth and self-confidence. Without both, it’s extremely hard to step out of our comfort zones and take relevant action that would help us in our "truth trial.
…and not just the acquisition of material wealth, but any results that go beyond “what we think we deserve.” I achieved those splendid results on WB only when I debunked the notion that I don’t deserve to be attractive or to wear clothes that truly express who I am.
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That’s an interesting take.
Good to know.
I think I understand the general idea of what you are saying
Thanks
To give you an even better understanding, the scripting cannot be too advanced due to the quadrants in it.
As you can see here:
yet
No scripting is too advanced, but some of its elements can be too scary to execute. I’m not talking about the notion of having a harem, for example, since that’s more of a dream than something that fills us with fear. It’s not even the actions required to build one. What is ‘really’ scary and prevents the scripting from being fully executed is facing the truth and debunking the self-illusions that stand in the way of the scripting execution.
It’s also about the belief that one is unworthy, a belief that one tries to cover up, which hinders taking the required action.
Self-acceptance fuels the courage to face our self-made illusions, and genuine self-worth combined with self-confidence fuels our actions.
I don’t know whether you find this useful, but know that when working with ZP, it’s never about not being good enough (not having the ‘foundations’), but about not being truthful enough to yourself, not being brave enough to live “the truth you are”, so to speak, and feeling unworthy deep down, although lying to yourself otherwise.
ZP helps us become more and more familiar with the truth and makes it way easier for us to debunk those self-illusions of ours and the NSE “provides us” with relevant experiences that boost our self-worh and self-confidence.
However, it’s not just waiting for ZP and the NSE to do the work, we need to let them breathe via real self-introspection and solid action. The more your subs are anchored in your reality, the easier it is to do just that.
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The thing is I never saw anything from using micro loops that’s why I always run 3-15 minutes of a title
Usually 5/8 or 15
30 seconds or 1.5 minutes never did much as I remember.
You did give me something to think about.
Incorporating micro loops to my stack could be helpful.
Example could be using micro loops of WB once a week or so - with 2 titles on the week.
That’s a tricky one.
Using I had more results with Stark than with Wanted.
As well as with Limitless, reasons for that are not clear …
So the only way to know is to run a title for awhile
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I totally agree with you. Facing deep rooted fears that create an illusion of weakness, or an illusion of insufficiency is not very different from the fear of death. What exactly dies? It is the identity that one has built his whole existence around, it is the familiar hell, and sometimes it can be very scary to let that illusion die and end up in a proverbial desert so to speak where you then find a new path to build a new reality.
It is not easy but it is necessary and demands conviction, bravery, and the will to sacrfice voluntarily before the illusive reality leaves no choice and demands a sacrifice, which is often much harsher and greater than what you would sacrifice voluntarily.
I have been meditating on Kali lately, I’ve been feeling a strong connection with her, but I know why. She slays the illusive ego, the limitations, the shackles, the unnecessary order built on a foundation of lies and helps one transform. But in order to get the blessings, one needs to come from a place of humility and offer the sacrifices that she demands in the process voluntarily.
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@anon1637736 your open mindedness is and flexibility are both praise and respect worthy. I felt like i went too hard on you with my posts yesterday, or using you as an excuse to say share my insights despite the good intention. If you told me to mind my own buissnes it would have been more than reasonable. But instead you humbled me without even intending it.
Again, huge respect for you bro
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No worries at all—I didn’t take your messages as attacks or anything negative.
You shared your thoughts openly, and I respect that. Everyone here brings a unique perspective, and I try to take something meaningful from each of you.
I’ve had a lot of success with affirmations in the past—some of the things I manifested were honestly beyond what most men could imagine.
But over time, I noticed they also made me overly focused on women and sexuality. That focus left me feeling drained, scattered, and disconnected—even when I was getting results.
Eventually, I realized something was missing.
I had become “that guy”—the one women chase, the one guys envy.
But it felt hollow. And when I stopped the affirmations, everything I built seemed to fade.
So I came here with a different intention: to humble myself and use subliminals not to impress others, but to build something real within me.
My journey didn’t start from a place of confidence or success with women—it was built.
And now I want to rebuild, but with a deeper foundation. One that won’t vanish when I stop listening or repeating.
That’s why I’m here—to combine the power of affirmations with subliminals, and to learn from everyone who shares honestly.
At the end of the day, even if someone says something challenging or uncomfortable, this path is mine alone to walk.
So I genuinely thank you—and everyone here—for helping me grow.
I think this community is a powerful one.
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It’s because its primal and natural, masculinity unconsciously seduces and attracts feminine energy as well as vice versa.
Have we really evolved from cavemen times or are we still cavemen in modern environment?
Social studies show more women are attracted to conservative men than liberal just because they seem more masculine, dominant, those traits are universally and generally attractive to women. Its even a meme that women of complete opposite social and political beliefs that hate opposite but still cant help to be very sexually attracted due to masculine traits.
Its even a thing in lgbt communities that some self identified lesbians even if they had a past of only dating women later end up with masculine men.
Its something that stirs attraction at deep unconscious levels without choice.
Its not a seduction technique its just raw caveman primal attraction energy.
Also tapping into this we tap into natural body intelligence to enjoy sex and perform naturally well, we already have this within us, you don’t need techniques and what not.
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