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#186

(More sorting through my thoughts than really answering.)

IIRC correctly @SaintSovereign was a bit disappointed by hypnotic language (patterns) in regards to subliminals and that they don’t really bring much of an effect.

And it does make sense. Good hypnotic language is the most intimate personal possible dialect: Describing for you main sense(s), using your most fitting symbols and metaphors, mirroring your experienced world.

Subliminals in general and ZP in particular are the opposite, written for a broad global audience with different first languages and cultural backgrounds.

The archetypes I suspect are mostly used for copy, a shorthand using the few more or less universal ones we got. (And in the copy there is something like an hypnotic effect, the specific style we recognize, a certain kind of scripting we might associate with certain descriptions we read.)

But the sub scripting IMO has to be different. It’s is probably the concepts behind the archetype broken down into the smallest indivisible, prime aspects and formulated in short, straight sentences, so everyone with a basic grasp of english can understand it, just presenting the subconscious with a problem/friendly nudge/open ended question to engage with.

When I feel certain metaphors blooming in my mind after listening to a corresponding sub, these metaphors are probably not mentioned in the sub, but have been rooted in my mind for a while.

In a way as hypnosis is suggestion, a subliminal is a suggestion to autosuggest.

Regarding the sub scripting, I am not really sure there is difference between a great song and a 500 page technical manual.

In a way music is just math.

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#187

Once again, it’s in the eye of the beholder.

I happen to be a great fan.

I even wrote a song for him.

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#188

There is no lyrics in this “song” and that’s for sure not what @emperor_obewan meant. lol

More sensory-rich language would certainly help the mind grasp more advanced concepts, but a sensuous language would be a blast—especially when combined with “seductive” language.

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A sensuous language is one that evokes or appeals to the senses, often through vivid imagery, rich descriptions, and emotional resonance. It aims to create a strong sensory experience for the reader or listener, engaging them on a deeper, more visceral level.

Key characteristics of sensuous language include:

  1. Imagery: Use of descriptive language that paints a picture in the reader’s mind, appealing to sight, sound, taste, touch, and smell.
  2. Figurative Language: Employing metaphors, similes, and personification to create connections and evoke feelings.
  3. Emotional Tone: Conveying feelings and moods that resonate with the audience, making the experience more immersive.
  4. Rhythm and Sound: Attention to the auditory qualities of words, such as alliteration, assonance, and the overall flow of sentences, enhancing the sensory experience.

Sensuous language is often found in poetry, lyrical prose, and works that aim to evoke strong emotional responses from their audience.

GPT:

Seductive language is a way of speaking or writing that is designed to attract, entice, and persuade someone on an emotional, psychological, or even physical level. It’s often used in flirting, romance, marketing, storytelling, and persuasion.

Key Elements of Seductive Language:

  1. Sensory Appeal – Engages the senses by using vivid, descriptive words (e.g., Your touch sends shivers down my spine).
  2. Emotional Triggers – Creates desire, curiosity, or intrigue (e.g., I can’t stop thinking about you).
  3. Mystery & Teasing – Leaves something unsaid, making the listener want more (e.g., Maybe I’ll tell you… if you ask nicely).
  4. Rhythm & Flow – Uses smooth, flowing sentences that sound natural and inviting (e.g., Let’s get lost in this moment).
  5. Confidence & Charm – Delivered with an air of assurance and magnetism (e.g., I always get what I want… and right now, that’s you).
  6. Playful Challenge – Adds a bit of teasing or daring to keep it exciting (e.g., Think you can handle me?).

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#189

From what I recall Saint said they work with linguistic experts to be as neutral as possible. I feel like “seductive” language would be so open for interpretation from the mind it would lose the effect of ZP. I don’t know how these subs are constructed and I’m sure a lot of other people on this forum don’t, but from the pieces of knowledge dropped over time I think it’s different than conventional ideas of the subconscious minds receptivity.

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#190

@Sub.Zero

I think we’re getting pretty deep into ‘hijack the thread’ territory.

Let’s table it or start a new thread just for the topic.

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#191

Wondering how the new BL will translate to coding, technology and problem solving.

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#192

Very insightful.

I do. Of course, I won’t be able to ever quite completely understand, but I do get your concept. You’re actually working through the same issues and having similar thoughts as we do about the tools-based and unfolding formats.

There’s no need to fight or argue. Both of your points are actually very insightful. Just take it as you both have very different minds and different approaches, but are looking at the same exact same issues.

lol, I was responding to each post individually and didn’t realize that our resident sage had already come to the same conclusion.

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#193

Exactly. The copy is archetypal for accessibility, but the scripts generally are extremely practical, focusing on “tools” and strategies one can practically apply to their lives.

The “hypnotic” effect of the copy is actually a very basic literary skill that I evolved. I call it, “the dots.” You can see this in the Seductress copy, where we used highly charged moments in time to paint a picture. She goes to the coffee shop and the man objectifies her. We leave the descriptions empty, however, as opposed to what you’d see in a novel, because the goal is for those who have experienced this to remember what they felt, and then the rest of the copy (the “features” part) will either resonate with them or not, because instead of selling a product, we’re attempting to help the individual understand if they even NEED a product, or if the simple understanding of what has happened in their lives in enough.

You’re starting to understand how Zero Point works.

And yes, you are correct to an extent. That is exactly how we approach researching a title. I’ll give everyone a tiny look (which we’re going to discuss more later). If show you a picture of a television and say “what’s the first thing that comes to mind,” you might say “entertainment.”

@Fire and myself would say “glamour and illusion.” Everything on television (tell a vision) is exactly that, an idealized, glamourized version of the truth generally full of illusion. What we then proceed to do is say, “why exactly does this exist, and what function does it serve?”

And we might come to the conclusion that “illusion” is necessary for the individual to develop a discerning faculty within themselves, and thus – taking wealth as an example – a module might be made called “Discerning Between Illusion and Truth in Wealth Matters,” which would help in practical terms – like knowing if a particular client is lying to you for manipulative purposes, or if you’re hiding your true potential behind some kind of self-made illusion.

But it is hard to explain all of the connections made to get there, so we explain it instead in archetypal terms that are more useful. But the script itself always remains practical.

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#194

Well hooray. Glad at least some of what I was saying translated. The post was not specifically for @Sub.Zero more to provide insight to the creators about my own experiences, but SZ decided to make it personal and in so doing completely missed the point of what I was saying trying to pick it apart.

In my mind taking a three word phrase out of context from an entire post and then modifying those words several times so they mean completely different things and then trying to pontificate on it isn’t accidentally misunderstanding something, it’s deliberate.

In either case, I’m completely disgusted at SZ and this has left a very bad taste in my mouth like gargling with draino (how’s that for “rich sensory language” SZ?). I had already made the decision last night to take at least a week off from the forum because SZ’s attacks made me feel like my contributions are not valued here. I only came back momentarily to acknowledge Saint’s response which was a breath of air compared to getting notifications in my inbox about people discussing “what might obewan mean duh?” as if my words are some kind of inscrutable hieroglyphs.

I’m still taking the week off as it truly isn’t worth this level of frustration and energy drain dealing with this BS for one person to maybe understand it. At some point after the siesta I may try to elaborate on some other thread if the stars align, but for now, I’m done.

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#197

Let’s just relax, everyone. No need for contentious arguments. We’re open to hearing what both of you and everyone else has to say.

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#198

Does you having the time to deal with “bickering in the sandbox” mean that TS is nearing its completion?

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#199

Nah. It’s a weekend, so I’ve just been vibing. It’s in the works, however. Next few weeks.

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#200

so that is why even I am not running any spiritual sub I keep having those spiritual epiphanies….I repeatedly write those types of things in my journal….I thought I was talented in those type of thinking….now ，I see it is the effect of the sub….interesting…. :upside_down_face:

#201

Since there was talk about aligning with the stars and such, I’ll let myself toy with some ideas. It’s just an exercise—nothing serious, really.

Yes, I got swayed by the discourse on scripting language, but what I meant was the act, not the language. There’s no need to use seductive language in order to seduce.

Seduction is about creating illusions—the illusion that what the ‘victim’ desires is within their reach, just a hand’s stretch away, like an apple waiting to be plucked.

Now, knowing more about the mechanics…

…perhaps it would be possible to use the approach I’m talking about to strengthen that very faculty of discernment.

“For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5, NIV)

Seducing the subconscious into helping us “open our eyes,” into helping us remove our self-made illusions.

That process—opening our eyes—is natural. It’s already present in ZP. It’s about experiencing your results, your new reality, gradually widening your perception, shedding illusions one by one, and discovering your true identity and potential.

So, how do we seduce the subconscious into helping us? By creating the strongest illusion there is in spoken and written language—a myth. That would be the “unfolding” part, which must be backed up by the “tool” part.

The “tool” part would have to be a legend (seriously, lol). A legend where you are the protagonist—the one who must make things happen using tools like swordsmanship, charm, bench-pressing 200 kg… you name it.

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#202

I think this should go to another thread for discussion. Too much potential to derail the current intent of this one.

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#203

Thanks.

However, discussing this was not my intent, just a mental exericse upon all the previous discourse. It was going beyond… into the wonder on my part. I’m sorry.

Cheers.

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#204

Or is your potential smothered by the fear of confronting the truth about what you’re truly capable of?

How would you feel if you realized that you have the power to conquer the world, yet you’re still living with your parents at 40, playing video games? That realization would probably scare the hell out of you, because the gap between the truth you’re faced with and the self-made illusion you’ve been living in would be both unimaginable and overwhelming.

What would you do in that case? You’d try to repress that revelation and continue living in your self-made illusion. Recon. Hellish on top of that. Possibly even going insane.

Gradually honing that discerning faculty in the matters covered in the script, and backing it up with relevant experiences, would help ease the fear and overcome it to get closer to the truth.

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#205

Any latest on when BL will be updated? I am waiting on it to buy the name-embedded major :slight_smile:

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#207

@SaintSovereign any updates on this?

#208

More information coming soon.

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