Main Disc. Thread - Wanted Black: Seduce Reality (Now Available!) (Custom Core Available)

[Sub.Zero]

@KingofClubz

Micro - loops keep the recon away
Especially with WB

That’s not entirely the case, as you can see below:

@GoldenBird

When I ran Wanted Black I got so deep into recon at 5 sec microloops that I had to add Limitless just to keep up with my uni studies. I think not everyone reports being entirely unproductive on Wanted Black, but that depends on how much recon it triggers in you.

How much reconciliation the scripting triggers in you doesn’t depend on how long your loops are as much as it depends on how—and to what extent—you execute it.

I never ran microloops, yet I ran WB for six months with almost no reconciliation whatsoever, even though the scripting aimed far beyond the results I was getting. I avoided reconciliation and grew tremendously on WB for one simple reason: I worked with those aspects of the scripting that were anchored in my reality and within my reach. I focused on my self-care, appearance, and shadow self, and I leveraged all my experiences with women to deepen my ability to pierce their psychology and improve my mastery of sex. I let the sub breathe—even though the air wasn’t that of the highest mountains, so to speak.

As for microloops, even though I never ran them, based on my observations of others and their results, I believe our minds process them faster, producing more immediate and pronounced effects but at the expense of their depth. Running full loops is more like being a boa that has swallowed its prey and is now digesting it slowly, allowing it to become part of itself by assimilating only the most valuable particles—if that analogy makes sense to you.

[Endless]

What is your foundation for WB?

My first sub was Dragon Reborn, then EWP, KB, Genesis, Emperor and Mind’s Eye. Now I’m back to wb and got so many goodies, I think foundation is the key!

@Sub.Zero

[Sub.Zero]

It’s not so much about which subs you’ve run but what kind of work you’ve done—how you’ve changed, how you’ve evolved.

Dragon Reborn (which I ran for a year) serves as a foundational sub to “fix” and strengthen your psychological makeup. If you’re twisted or broken, there’s no better sub to facilitate deeper self-development.

Primal (which I ran for six months) makes you socially adept, turning bedding women into something as natural as breathing.

SSX (which I ran for three months) helps you master the art. It’s the only title I’d need to run a bit longer to unlock everything WB was designed for—aside from achieving financial independence on Emp. Ex., that is.

Of course, it’s not about time frames but the real work you’ve put in with the subs of your choosing.

That said, even without solid foundations, you can still grow with any sub—provided you know how to work with it and put in the effort. However, running an advanced sub too soon can actually slow you down, as some offer a smoother transition to your “destination point.”

The punchline—something many people tend to forget or have never even heard of—is this:

@SaintSovereign

the individual must OWN their flaws and consciously decide to overcome them.

Thus, you cannot lie to Zero Point, because you are the zero point — that is what the name means.

You are the Zero Point, you are the instrument of change. And you cannot lie or hide from yourself, especially if you’re going to use a tool that provides accelerated growth.

You can lie to everyone around you—your mom, God, and even yourself—but not to Zero Point. Growth is organic and requires real effort.

[anon1637736]

@Endless

What is your foundation for WB?

@Sub.Zero

Primal

@Sub.Zero

SSX

@Sub.Zero really nailed it by suggesting Primal and SSX as foundational titles for WB.

Personally, I grew a bit through Primal (1 cycle). At one point, I felt it was time to move on to Primal Seduction (PS) — but PS took longer to kick in.
It took around two weeks before I started noticing results, and the process felt slower overall.

In hindsight, I think going back to simpler, fast-acting titles like Primal might be a good idea.
They deliver results quickly and can create a base.

Right now, I feel kind of stuck.
Not much has shifted for me with WB over the past two cycles.
Even though I go out, approach, and talk to women — something still feels off.
The conversations don’t really click afterward, and it’s just… not there yet.

At this point, I’m not even trying to “make” WB work anymore.
I just run it alongside DRR and a custom stack with Mogul:Genesis + PS.
My sense is that WB works subtly, behind the scenes.
It’s a long script that seems to require more from the user — like you’re trying not just shifting, you’re trying to seducing reality itself.

Don’t get me wrong — I still get some* IOIs, I have some options.
But it’s not quite “it” yet.
The changes are subtle.
I think, I feel like I’m becoming slightly more attractive every month — it’s slow growth.

And maybe that’s the point. You don’t build a mega machine in a week.

[KingofClubz]

Ultimately, it comes down to the user. If you didn’t receive any recon from running full loops of WB, it’s subjective. Different minds, bodies, and personal goals lead to varied outcomes.

I’ve noticed that when I use WB solo, I gain no recon; recon only appears when I start stacking. This is why I now consider Genesis as the only stack worth using. It’s light and broad, complementing WB perfectly, allowing for little to no recon.

In summary, everyone will have a different experience with WB. Whether you get recon depends on how you use it.

[Realitysmith]

Primal sounds so good for me right now. I need something to balance out the intensity of Khan, something to help me lighten up. Currently I’m running it with Wanted, though I think I might switch it to Primal or AoH etc. Yeah I definitely haven’t been smiling and laughing as much as before I was running Khan. Need some of that “fun” and “chill tf out” type scripting.

[Realitysmith]

@anon1637736

The conversations don’t really click afterward, and it’s just… not there yet.

At this point, I’m not even trying to “make” WB work anymore.
I just run it alongside DRR and a custom stack with Mogul:Genesis + PS.

My theory for your slowed progress is just that it’s a dense stack and is taking longer to process/execute. I think you’d get quicker results in the seduction realm if you ran WB alone or with another major like Primal or SSX.

[Niles]

100%. Customs typically take longer to see results, which is why the recommendation is to only create a custom after you’ve used a main store title for a few months and are acclimated.

Switch to only mains for awhile, you will see the results. Works for me every time, and if I can stick to just two titles focused towards one goal, the results are very fast.

Romance/wealth, typically are two opposing goals. Ive very rarely see people achieve remarkable results with both at the same time.

[anon1637736]

@Realitysmith

Khan

Unfortunately, I haven’t run Khan yet, so I can’t speak from experience. I’d definitely like to try it someday—maybe next year. For now, I’ve still got DDR to finish and WB is very much on my mind.

If Khan feels like too much, maybe try a break or run shorter loops? Primal is a great option too. You might even try stacking them together.

@Realitysmith

Currently I’m running it with Wanted

Personally, I’ve found Wanted to carry a heavy vibe—definitely not as playful or energizing as Stark, Primal, or similar titles. During my first cycle, it actually made me feel a bit closed off emotionally. It did make people chase me more, but I also felt less alive inside.

The second cycle was different—lighter—but I also saw fewer results. So, it’s hard to say.

Primal, in contrast, is a lot more fun to run.

@Realitysmith

My theory for your slowed progress is just that it’s a dense stack and is taking longer to process/execute.

I don’t think that’s it. Even when I used one loop of HOM while running WB, I clearly got HOM results—but not WB. That makes me think it’s more of a subconscious integration issue.

@Realitysmith

I think you’d get quicker results in the seduction realm if you ran WB alone or with another major like Primal or SSX.

Primal Seduction actually includes SSX inside it, so I already have that covered. I’m going to wait it out—it’s a dense stack, but I’ve got the time.

@Niles

100%. Customs typically take longer to see results, which is why the recommendation is to only create a custom after you’ve used a main store title for a few months and are acclimated.

Yeah, I’ve definitely noticed that. Still, I’m starting to catch glimpses of Primal Seduction and the embedded modules doing their thing.

@Niles

Romance/wealth typically are two opposing goals. I’ve very rarely seen people achieve remarkable results with both at the same time.

Well—I’ll be the first, then.

Just to clarify, WB is a store title, not a custom.
The custom I’m running is built from Genesis: Mogul + Primal Seduction, among other modules.

[Trader]

@anon1637736

Primal Seduction actually includes SSX inside it

I believe this is no longer the case. Older Primal Seduction was a synthesis of both Primal and S&S, like how Ascended Mogul is a synthesis of Ascension and older Mogul.

Newer Primal Seduction is different now with the introduction of reality bubbles.

[anon1637736]

@Trader

I believe this is no longer the case. Older Primal Seduction was a synthesis of both Primal and S&S

@SaintSovereign

Sex & Seduction is in Primal Seduction, not sure if it’s necessary. If you’re worried about performance, Sex Mastery X is the proper title.

@SaintSovereign

A lot of it, yes. Enough to probably not need to run both. I’ll have to check the exact scripts, but this version of Primal Seduction is actually pretty long – almost enough for it to be a SubClub Black title.

@SaintSovereign

Primal Seduction is a unique title, but it still covers everything in S&S. By its very nature, how could it NOT cover that part? The point I’m trying to make is that you don’t need to stack PS and S&S.

@SaintSovereign

Yes, a lot of the ideas and concepts from S&S were incorporated into PS because they overlap, but PS is still it’s own unique animal, with the lessons from the old incorporated into something new and evolved, nor do the scripts read the same. We’re talking conceptual – it was a quip to quickly explain the situation.

By the very nature of these titles, there would be an overlap. There’s no denying that, there’s no avoiding that, it is simply what is. But that doesn’t mean that Primal Seduction isn’t a unique title, especially considering the way that it was made and the focus it takes on creating “reality bubbles,” which was an entirely new concept at the time.

Hence, there’s no reason to run S&S and PS, since they both cover the same ground. In the PS copy, we recommend stacking it with Khan Black.

These are from July 24

[Sub.Zero]

However, like @Trader said, PS is not a combination of both, even though it includes SSX. It is based on entirely different concepts (reality bubbles and sexual energy boosts).

I would still run Primal and/or SSX instead.

It all depends on how—and to what extent—you can anchor a sub in your reality to make it a true catalyst for change, propelling you to the next level.

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@anon1637736

Personally, I grew a bit through Primal (1 cycle). At one point, I felt it was time to move on to Primal Seduction (PS) — but PS took longer to kick in.
It took around two weeks before I started noticing results, and the process felt slower overall.

In hindsight, I think going back to simpler, fast-acting titles like Primal might be a good idea.

It’s not that Primal is simpler or faster-acting than PS because of their scripting alone. It’s just more anchored in your reality and serves as a better catalyst for change, propelling you to the next level.

@anon1637736

Right now, I feel kind of stuck.
Not much has shifted for me with WB over the past two cycles.
Even though I go out, approach, and talk to women — something still feels off.
The conversations don’t really click afterward, and it’s just… not there yet.

Running subs that are not anchored in your reality causes just that. Or this:

@GoldenBird

When I ran Wanted Black I got so deep into recon at 5 sec microloops that I had to add Limitless just to keep up with my uni studies.

Running WB at a uni may sound like a brilliant idea, but go read the WB sales copy (the story to be precise) and see who John Wingliss is—certainly not a uni student.

[RockyHandsome]

@Sub.Zero

It’s just more anchored in your reality and serves as a better catalyst for change, propelling you to the next lev

What do you mean more anchored in his reality ?

[Vkluff]

Wb did wonders for me in Uni, it works well where you’re surrounded by ladies and go out everyday(classes). I had sex with the hottest girl in our class after our last paper and it happened so effortlessly

[Sub.Zero]

@RockyHandsome

What do you mean more anchored in his reality ?

A nice example of what I’m talking about:

@Vkluff

Wb did wonders for me in Uni, it works well where you’re surrounded by ladies and go out everyday(classes). I had sex with the hottest girl in our class after our last paper and it happened so effortlessly

Thanks @Vkluff

@GoldenBird There’s a hope, mate.

It all depends on how—and to what extent—you can anchor a sub in your reality to make it a true catalyst for change, propelling you to the next level.

[anon1637736]

@Vkluff

I had sex with the hottest girl in our class after our last paper and it happened so effortlessly

[anon1637736]

@Sub.Zero

propelling you to the next level.

I agree I might have to go back to Primal
But for now I’ll continue

[Martin]

@Skadoosh

Primal might be a way better option for you honestly. I don’t think a man can run Primal and be shy around women.

Would both stack? Primal and Wanted Black.

[Phoermes]

@Martin

Would both stack? Primal and Wanted Black

Yes but depending on your development, you’ll want to put some effort into switching modalities and getting used to the different styles. You’ll still get benefits even if the two styles are completely new to you in either case.

Throw in singularity and it should be a breeze with that paradox effect.

[Saiyan4Blue]

Back when I was running Q Emperor, possibly even pre Q, and the first version of Libertine, now Primal Nights, dropped the hype was just as big as any major seduction release today. I remember using it just once and the very next day, I met a really cute girl on the train which i dated for months. She not only sat in front of me but actually started the conversation. The chemistry and attraction were so effortless it was like an instant & effortless manifestation which met my back then skill level and needs in everyway and more.

This pattern repeated itself with every major attraction sub release: Libertine, Primal Seduction, Diamond, Sex Mastery, and so on. The results would always peak in the first few weeks.

Why Is That?

This goes way deeper than placebo or tech differences.

Back then each new drop came from a smaller selection pool. There was no WB, RotNW, or Divine Diamond. For attraction your go to options were Ascended Mogul, Emperor, then PS and Libertine for aura. There was no second guessing, no stack overthinking. Just pure focus and execution.

Using both Emperor and Libertine didn’t feel like “chasing” or “attracting.” It was just everything because there was no other option to consider. Contrast that with today where people mentally compartmentalize subs. Instead of fully embodying attraction, some hesitate, thinking, “Is this enough?”

The first time effects

What happens when you use a subliminal for the first time?

• Excitement You’re pumped, fully invested and expecting results.
• Confidence You trust the process, so you naturally take action without hesitation.
• Reticular Activating System (RAS) Lock-In Your mind is tuned into success, every small detail so you see and attract more opportunities.
• Momentum The smallest result feels huge, reinforcing your belief, which makes things snowball.

It’s why the first week is often the most powerful before people start overanalyzing, min maxing, micro-looping, stacking, and trying to “optimize” their approach and the perfect this and best that!

More Options, More Doubt, Less Focus

Even though today’s tech (ZPv2+) is exponentially stronger, people aren’t running subs the same way anymore.

• Back then, if you ran Emperor, you ran it as your seduction sub. There was no questioning it.
• Today if you run Emperor, part of your mind thinks, “This is just for status, I need to stack it with RotNW or PS for attraction.”
• Back then PS was “seduction on steroids .” Now, it’s "one of many seduction choices.”

This shift in mindset has changed how people experience results not the subs themselves.

Infinitely stronger subs + weaker mindsets

Pre Q and Q recon was mostly due lacking in healing as well as punishing inaction. ZP recon is mostly due to over exposure, sub hopping, healing ( which is the idealized form of reconciliation ) and also for not taking action. However there next to no uncertainty, overthinking and lacking in vision back then compared to today.

There was no sub hopping back then because there was no subs to hop back and forth on. Ascended Mogul, then Emperor did literarily everything and continued to evolve with each upgrade! The only reason they don’t seem to do everything anymore is due to the abundance of choices we now.

Current Emperor, Stark, SB etc. have all the seduction you will ever need to break reality and live a great life doing so. Attraction subs go the extra step and aura subs pushes reality to its limits. However no amount of upgrades, healing, perfect min maxing will ever compensate for doubt, lacking in vision and confidence. If you run Emperor and believe it’s not a " seduction " sub simply because you are not using PS or WB you are severely underestimating yourself and the sub. So using WB you best believe you are literarily a hacking " dating and seduction " on an unfathomable levels. If not then you are fundamentally nerfing your results.

Key Takeaway

This is not about needing to believe for subs to work. That is not why Subclub continues to grow each year while retaining loyal and active customers who can’t get enough. it’s about the fact no matter how many upgrades, choices, or improvements come along the mind always would rather overanalyze which is nothing more than resistance disguised as strategy

I stopped posting about my seduction/romance results because i wanted to pass the torch and to improve other aspects of my life instead of continuing to reinforce my value to myself through dating and nothing else. Yet most of what i see nowadays is overthinking stacks and suggestions instead of results. Its disheartening to see so many posting about this stack and X sub and Y sub etc. when a single one of those, used properly to mere 50% efficiency, would give them 10x the results i wish they rather post about.