Cool. Nice to see TB is still working as a stack barrier buster.
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If I feel stuck on using seduction titles you think TB is the answer?
Why do you feel stuck, or what specifically are you stuck with?
K1 is certainly not a bad idea. Another thing to consider; is that sometimes our blocks might be coming from a different area/not romance related.
For example; Ive had big wealth throughs where I felt stuck, by addressing cognitive/productivity issues rather then just wealth alone.
Figure out exactly why/where you feel stuck still. Perhaps itâs related to something else entirely, like freedom; status, resources, etc.
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Thanks for your reply, man.
You ask really good questionsâthey help me explain whatâs going on.
Iâve had some success with cognitive enhancement titles.
For example, OG Wanted worked well the first time I used it, during the first cycle. But when I came back to it later, the results werenât the same. The same goes for WBâit didnât do much for me in the past two cycles. I felt some physical shifting and got a bit of attention from women, but it was minimal overall.
Stark, on the other hand, worked quite well in terms of making me more popular around people who already know me. I felt more charismatic and generally happier, though again, not much changed in terms of attraction from women.
Interestingly, just 2 loops of HOM helped me a lot with business.
So Iâve been thinking⌠I might be lacking the proper foundation for the seduction titles to really take root.
Iâm not super alpha or extremely confidentâalthough I do believe in myself. My body language is solid, and I take good care of myself. Still, I feel like there might be some subconscious beliefs holding me back from getting the full results these titles can offer.
Itâs like Iâm missing that deeper, natural alphaness.
I have been thinking maybe Emperor or and Khan ST1 could help with this.
I am using DRR2 for now btw
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This is something that benefited me greatly. When I initially was running seduction titles when starting with sub club, I was bartending and going out 7X/week, and sometimes approaching up to 100 girls per day. I got insane results, but there was so many âpathwaysâ for the subs to work.
I later realized that although I was getting good results, I still had blocks with girls that I was really attracted to, were higher status, etc. This sent me down on a wealth journey, as I decided that improving my quality of life and having more resources, would actually be the best way to improving my romance/dating life, as social skills and beliefs around women were no longer a constraint.
Now that im in a better place financially and status wise (not where I want to be, but much more self reliant), and I spent years building my social skills and âgameâthrough running subs like primal seduction, and wanted, I get literally insane results anytime I run something like wanted now. Quite literally would have a harem after one cycle if I choose to lol.
Do some reflecting, and find out why you already donât have the dating life you want. Is it âaccessâ to high quality women, is it being able to close the deal, is it a lack of general social skills, and then address that specifically.
Lastly, the post powerful âactionâ with wanted, is to become a local celebrity of sorts. Frequent the same spots you like to go out. Talk to every body, not just girls. Treat people well, become friends with the staff. If you can build a friend group of attractive women, dating or not, and then go out places together where you know everybody and every body knows you, thatâs when the real objectives of wanted come in, and you will be the one pursued.
I also am a big proponent of cold approach. There is nothing close to sharpening your general social skills, allowing you to handle social pressure, and just giving you that killer edge/hardness, because itâs one of the hardest things a man can do.
Still working on cracking the wealth code personally, but as an average looking/height guy, who was dead broke, driving a beat down car, and getting by through sheer personality and social skills, the romance results that ive achieved with these subs back in the day were pretty extraordinary, and the methods above work without question lol.
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Emperor + Primal Seduction or Wanted + Limit Destroyer.
Stark + Primal Seduction or Wanted + Limit Destroyer
Genesis + Primal Seduction or Wanted + Limit Destroyer.
Or Emperor + Limit Destroyer or Solo
Or Khan solo.
A lot of what you describe is normal in my experience.
Typically titles follow a predictable processing flow.
First cycle:
Days 1-7: RESULTS! You start to see a new reality.
Days 8-21: Results slow or appear to reverse as recon sets in. You finish feeling below baseline.
Second Cycle: You return to baseline, improved.
Third Cycle: You return to the level that you saw in your first week and begin to surpass it.
Beyond: results both improve and deepen, as the changes integrate within you.
Long story short, you need to pick a stack and stick with it for more than 3 months.
Khan could be a great option for breaking through recon, but IMO the Khan journey really needs to be finished after itâs begun.
So youâll need to be able to commit to Khan for 4-12 months.
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What about stacking Emperor with Dragon Reborn Red?
I feel like I donât yet have a solid enough foundation for titles like Primal Seduction, Wanted Black, or even the regular Wanted.
I did fairly well on Primal, but when I look at the objectives of Khan and Emperor, both already contain strong seduction scripting â probably more than enough.
Even if I donât achieve direct seduction results, Iâd still grow internally. With WB, I didnât feel like I was growing as a man, likely because my subconscious wasnât fully executing the seduction scripting.
Right now, Iâm using DRR Stage 2, and I want to finish the full journey. Iâve been thinking about stacking it with Khan Stage 1 and Emperor.
Iâm unsure if running all three together is a bad idea. Maybe a two-title stack would be more effective â but not necessarily.
Dragon Reborn Red could handle the deep healing, Emperor could build strong character and inner power, and Khan Stage 1 might help dissolve limiting beliefs around attraction and women.
What do you think?
After using DRR with Emperor (And maybe with Khan as well) for few months finishing the journey of DRR I could try again something like Wanted or PS or WB
When I used Primal Seduction, I did notice it helped me choose the right words at times when approaching women. However, I feel that what I truly need first is to build a solid alpha frame â thatâs what women seem to respond to the most. A strong frame also helps me maintain clear boundaries and stay grounded during interactions.
I remember when I ran Emperor for a few loops â I naturally held my ground, respected myself, and others (including women) responded to that energy. I didnât feel the need to prove anything.
In contrast, when I used Wanted, Wanted Black, or even PS, it felt like I was trying hard to seduce them, but I lacked that internal alpha foundation. I ended up being less assertive and struggled with maintaining my boundaries.
I will take that into account.
Thatâs interesting to note.
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I donât go out 7 times a week however I do go out a lot and approach many girls - that said I feel stuck and nothing much is happening.
I know how to talk to women and have experience. My energy is off for sure.
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You know what you need.
Alpha foundation is pretty much name of the game and rest flows from there.
Stick to 2 titles especially with multistagers.
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Sure, sounds like a great plan. If your drawn to that stack because you have a gut feeling that itâll deliver, then do it.
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Heartsong or Lovebomb would be far better in that regard. It all boils down to worthiness and self acceptance. Both of which are multilayered with endless depths to reach and solidify
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Primal could be the move here if your energy is off. IMO, that comes from being needy, or really having any agenda at all.
I think a lot of guys try to be to cool/sexy/attractive as their focus and that can backfire.
Girls will respond to fun/playful/self amused 100X over being cool. Old RSD infield videos would give you an idea of the vibe rhat actually works. I tend to take this to the extreme, like I am full on obnoxious and rediclous when I go out (in a socially calibrated way), to the point where I would imagine my friends are thinking âdid he really just do/say thatâ.
If you look around at rhe guys dating rhe most attractive women, most of the time they are just regular looking, funny guys, who can go out and be a good time, not be weird, and who are comfortable with who they are. Shane Gillis is an example, of the type of guy that actually does well with women.
This is the type of vibe that primal can help cultivate. Once your already that fun guy that everyone loves, you are funny, charismatic, cool social group, then play around with the other stuff, but I honestly believe until then your not really even in the game.
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100% agree with @Niles here. In my experience, Iâd always get girls when I was in my fun, not giving an f mood. And I have some friends who embody that energy easily and they seem to get girls like its nothing
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The three major issues I see here are trying to hasten your growth, trying to run advanced subs while still in the healing process, and not addressing the key aspects of your development with subs that are anchored in your realityâwhere your habitual actions and daily behaviors are enough to make great progress without a significant need to step far out of your comfort zone.
No worries, these are the most cardinal sins at SC, lol. On the bright side, thanks to WB, youâve uncovered the areas that need the most improvement. Now, itâs about working on them with subs that specifically address those aspects and, again, are anchored in your reality. Perhaps the new True Social paired with SSX will be all you need.
Running WB helped me realize that my main issue is
and for that reason, Iâm focused on becoming financially independentâto the point where I can have a lifestyle I deem best for me, which naturally opens up a whole new world of possibilities relevant to WB.
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Subs are not some alchemical ingredients that need to be mixed and mashed toghether to perfection in order to create a potion, stack, which solves any and all issues.
They only enhance what is allready within. They dont â give â or â make â anyone do anything. â You are ZP, You cant lie to ZP â etc. If at any point this simple truth forgotten or ignored then the issue is far bigger. You cant change an effect with another effect, only by changing the cause
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What will you be working with to reach that financial independence?
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Mini update:
I ran TB with DRR2 and Emperor â absolutely unreal. Crazy!!!
The intense sense of dominance is insane. Women were checking me out purely because of the dominant body language I was projecting.
My music of choice has been heavy rock.
One girl blushed just from me looking at her (this has happened with her before when I used WB, but not to this degree).
That said, I donât think itâs reasonable to run 3 heavy titles.
DRR2 with Emperor should be more than enough â both offer strong masculine healing and enhancement.
I might use TB once a week. I can see how even a few TB cycles could prep you for WB.
Running them together might amplify results.
Honestly, even Khan Total Breakdown alone seems to shift how women respond â the dominance speaks louder than any seduction tactic. Just being a strong, grounded man makes them stare.
My gut feeling told me to run WB too â didnât go well, lol.
But Iâve learned a lot from using TB with the other two.
Maybe I can handle it?
Still, I wouldnât want it to overshadow Dragon Reborn RED.
So not sure.
It might help, honestly. But itâs not going to build a powerful alpha foundation or support wealth development.
Primal would definitely help elevate my vibe and create that fun, magnetic energy.
The status boost I got from it was insane â women bought me drinks, one even fell hard (whether it was love or lust, not sure, but it was intense).
Still, I felt more alpha on Emperor.
I think I need something that pushes me â maybe Primal can help over a few cycles, but Emperor feels powerful.
Youâre totally right â thatâs a great tip.
I should probably give Primal another shot at some point, maybe with SSX like @Sub.Zero mentioned.
Definitely still on the table.
Yup â they absolutely respond to fun energy.
But they also respond to purpose-driven energy â the kind Emperor or Khan radiates.
I think women resonate with different types of guys, and both ends of the spectrum work.
My only concern: Primal alone might not help build wealth.
Yeah, WB and Wanted were probably way too advanced for where I was.
But when I picked OG Wanted, I didnât know that.
Navigating these titles as a newbie is tough â takes time to really understand them.
Now Iâm just hoping Emperor or Khan arenât too advanced for me either.
And thanks to Dragon Reborn RED, too.
Thanks everyone for the insights and feedback!
I hope it helps someone
I found a post fire wrote:
Running TB before using WB could help enhance the benefits!
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Man what even is an alpha foundation? I had a somewhat zesty relative who was the furthest thing away from â alpha â and a virgin at the time on top of being abused, moved home from home all his life⌠but he had a pureness to him. He was genuine and funâŚ
Had him try stark and power can curropt, now Emp:will to power, ZPv1 and barely told him what they did. The madlad got more results than me in a single month than i had an entire year on my first year on subs. Had bunch of female friends who invited him and got him connected to everyone in the city and even outside. He had his cake and ate it too long after he stopped using both. Had sex with 3 girls from being a virgin in a single month and many more who still keep in contact with him.
Using inferior versions of stark and pcc, with nothing beside being himself he took off. He set such high standards with inferior subs and little effort.
Now hes â too chill to remeber using em anymore despite me paying â.
Then again he somehow bypassed the redpill game which convinced him he need this and that!
No game, No alpha, no foundation, the furthest thing away from a normal childhood, no luck in life but he had mad flow and enjoyed spreading positivity without taking. He lacked so much but had what truly matters. Self acceptance, which cant be granted by subs or anything but ourselves regardless of the arbitrarly conditions we just cant stop letting go off in order to justify what we truly lack
Almost forgot! He is 165 cm tall, and his catchphrase is â i am only short until they get to know me for real bruv â
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Itâs the respect a man has for himself â and what he naturally projects to the world.
Honestly, thatâs a great story, and I really appreciate you sharing it.
Iâm still trying to figure out your suggestion here. Running Wanted and WB pulled me into my head instead of helping me let go.
That revealed the missing piece â the lack of a solid sense of me as an alpha male.
Itâs not just about self-love.
Itâs a deep, unshakable belief that I can handle whatever comes my way â and not caring too much about the opinions of people I barely know.
Itâs the process of deconstructing years of social conditioning.
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If you were to look at a 1x1 meter world map hung on a wall. How much would you see standing an inch away from it? would it help moving around to see more? how much can you grasp, connect and understand looking at it from the same distance?
You are probably not wrong in your assessment. It is what you are seeing, most of what you see currently. You move around trying to see the map using and thinking about different subs as each view you see has something but lacks the otherâŚ
I can tell at one point you, and possibly many other users here, imagined a world where the sub stack limit was 5 or 10 instead of 3 believing it would make everything easierâŚ
Now lets take a step back and try to see the full map. Lets imagine a world without subs! Could you become the man you are working towards without them? If the stack limit was a mere 1 sub per cycle and another would cause severe recon and stagnation. Would you believe your goals impossible with a single sub?
Now, im not trying to sell you on using no subs or a single sub. I simply want you to re asses your goals from the lense of no subs / only one. Surely itâs possible without subs or a single one. Millionaires, players, alphas etc existed and were made long before them.
Now that we see the full picture. Ask yourself these questions!
1: Could you become the best version of the man you dream of being without subs?
2: What would you do and how?
3: You get to pick a single sub! Saint and Fire only allow 1 sub per year per user. what will it be to enhance your progress towards your goals⌠What will you pick? but you have to fully commit to one for a full year while completely trusting yourself to know you are enough. That you need not look elsewhere beside within and towards your actions.
4: But wait, you get to pick another one. How lucky you are! How blessed you are compared to billions of oblivious people who are unaware and unwilling to try the affordable life changing tech we overthink about⌠As long as you commit to both.
5: Yet again, you are blessed by Zeus himself and get to use a 3rd. But only if the 1st and 2nd are sufficent enough on their on. The 3rd is not even needed. Itâs a boost to the boosters which ultimatly boost you.
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