Mate, you’re asking about permanency after running 2 months of cycles when the technology’s only been out for 3. You’re going to have to wait for a little while if you want a legitimate answer.
Obviously, basically everyone will answer with a “yes” but don’t forget that we’re the sub club, we’re waving the banners of these products so naturally we’ll be more optimistic about its results than any other group. Ask this question again in 6 months.
Thanks…
I did imply this in my question… And for three month before the preview we had testers…
As of now several people are on their second batch… Of 45 days. So I’m wondering if someone had let’s say Wanted in their first batch if it’s still there or has it faded away under the second batch…
Maybe permanency is a wrong choice of word as of now. The question is… Does it hold untill now.
Thanks.
Best people to ask are those who are using things that were in the initial testing like @Lion, @Palpatine and @Invictus as they may or may not have used the same subs for a longer period of time.
I’m assuming a lot of us have seen new titles and felt like we’ve had to drop certain ones. I haven’t held onto a single title since December 1st for longer than 21 days.
friend, why does ZP feels slow in results? havent seen big things yet with me, im running ascension and paragon
Yes but they were testing different versions of ZP. Even now we’re testing different versions of ZP, to my knowledge the more recent ZP releases have included scripting from Mind’s Eye that was not present (at least to the same extent) in the ZPs that were released prior to Mind’s Eye.
There are a handful of people who are on their 2nd batch of 45 days, the vast majority of people are currently on their third cycle in total. Also keep in mind that among that small group of people running a 2nd batch of 45 days, I’m willing to bet that a very tiny group of that people have actually stuck to the exact same stack for a 45 day cycle because of all of the hype behind the ZP titles and their releases.
All I’m saying is that any answers that you may get now may not entirely be accurate and will probably be biased. You’re better off waiting until there’s a larger group of people to pool data from.
With that being said, Saint has mentioned multiple times that there is a very high degree of permanency in ZP due to the way the technology works, by incorporating the scripting into your state of being versus imposing the script onto your state of being. And my suspicions (as that of many others) is that there will be a high degree of retention/permanency with ZP subs but like I said, we cannot be absolutely sure for now.
Think it’s gonna be Primal/Elixir or maybe a skill based sub 
Just let me have hope ;c
Ok I get it.
One of the reasons I’m asking is that a friend of mine has been running Paragon zp the whole batch. Now he had a scar dissapear along the way and now it’s back… I know how strange it sounds but then some people have experienced time loops distortions on Q squared so I’m just a bit surprised.
And the fact the scar is back may well be connected with his own beliefs.
I actually liked that a guy used limit breaker and thought about the fact that he should believe changes come fast instead of his old belief that change comes slow.
So I am aware of subjectivity being a big factor in all this.
So even though I totally agree with what you’re saying I’m leaving the fishing hook of my questionmark in the sea to get an experiental answer from someone.
A decent amount of people have changed their profile pics and usernames lately, que interesante.
Oh, and about being sure for now… Again this was never my question… Otherwise I would have come with a question more in the flavor of… Do we have proof it works… Can you give me facts…
Again and with no offense… Trying to say it in the lightest way possible…
My question is can someone tell me that things of their first batch are holding up untill now. Not proof just testimonials.
Thank you.
Is there any way we can use a ZP title to boost the same title in Qv2? You made it very clear to not mix running the same title in ZP and Qv2 but I am wondering if there is a pattern that might work and we could experiment with. For example, running the Qv2 title for a month and then the ZP for a month, alternating between the two?
Want to continue running my Wanted Khan custom but also would love to try a few loops of KhanZP to see how it differs.
And yes I know I’m being kind of annoying right now… Happens to me when my questions are misinterpreted.
But hey… The whole world of art is filled with misinterpretation.
Thank you, @Brandon. Sometimes I wonder whether one day we can get a build tech that allows us to run 10 titles in a stack with quick results and no recon. That would solve this issue in a jiffy (but of course there will still be those who want to run 20 titles in a stack lol).
I think the desire for quick results is natural though. It’s a natural part of evolution to avoid pain and receive pleasure.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if SubClub cracks the code one day. Until then we have to go with what works here which is still remarkable. I haven’t seen a professional subliminal maker who allows stacking or whose titles are only 15 mins long or whose prices are competitive.
I digress but my viewpoint on permanency is that some things can be made permanent by a combination of subliminals and habit.
For example, let us say one uses WANTED to be nonchalant and get good looks. And along with that, the guy goes out, finds out he is nonchalant and puts himself in situations where he can perform the action of nonchalance several times and hence makes a habit out of it. Which in turn makes it permanent as long as he practices this habit even if he has stopped listening to WANTED.
In addition, he builds an exercise routine which combined with the subliminal, makes him look good. After a while, he has achieved a level of good looks he is happy with and continues his physical regime without WANTED. Am sure he will achieve some permanency there too.
But I think it will be too much to expect permanency from the subliminal alone. As it is, we are bombarded with loads of subliminal messages from all around us (something SaintSovereign had explained in a reply to a similar question for previous builds’ permanency). So such messages could influence us unless we keep practicing habits that are conducive to making our chosen subliminal programs like WANTED, Emperor, etc a part of us.
Of course the ideal current practice is to continue running the subliminal and taking action for as long as possible. But listening to subliminals is like going to the gym (an analogy SaintSovereign has used) and until we get a build tech that makes the subliminal play in your head forever after playing just one loop, we.will need to continually use the titles until we reach our goals. After which we can run the same titles once in a while to maintain that ideal state we have reached.
Maybe one day SubClub will make that “1 loop = forever programming”. And the builds name will be Quantim Leap Point haha.
You can run Khan ZP because your custom is not just the khan core
Thanks for the input.
Still curious what would be the best listening pattern then
You would just listen to them on alternate days
Day 1: Khan ZP
Day 3: Qv2 custom
This idea of creating habits that support our desired results for our subliminal stack is so CRUCIAL.
I know Saint and Fire have alluded to it in the past by saying things like “creating pathways for manifestation” or “taking action,” but I think more focus should be given to how we can and should build these habits to support a sense of permanency in our subliminals.
For example, a person running Mogul randomly feels more driven to put an extra hour into their business here or there during the week, that is the subliminal doing it’s job. However, if this person were to make a habit of waking up an hour earlier every day for a month with the intent to do focused work without distractions, the subliminal would support this behavior and reinforce it with its own mechanisms, thereby creating a habit that is intertwined with the operation of the subliminal in our subconscious/unconscious mind.
If we can, as a community and with the help of Saint & Fire, create some type of protocol for building habits with the help of subliminals (using the preexisting science of habit building detailed in books like Atomic Habits or podcasts like Huberman Labs), then I think we can level up our progress, similar to how ZP level’d up Qv2.
Permenancy needs a lifestyle change to continue reaping the results of the sub .
This.
Run a single sub for 6 months+ until it becomes TRULY your new reality. At that point you dont really need that sub anymore, because that is you now.
Unless you want to go deeper, want more, etc. Or every now and then to “refresh” the edges.
At least that’s how I plan it!
Yes! Exactly!
[yelled up from inside of a pit of recon]
Just chilling down here first for a little while