Feeling heavy deep into a washout

I’m currently on the 9th day of a washout after last cycle of New Wanted and GLM. I employed the micro-loop strategy and went from 30 seconds to 1 minute at the end of the cycle.

But the peculiar thing is that usually this deep into a long washout, I usually experience more and more mental clarity and more and more energy from less subliminal pressure. But both day 8-9 have been full of excessive dreams, tiredness, mental fatigue, and just sluggishness in my body. Not really what I expected after having only done micro-loops during the last cycle, and that it should have cleared out by now mostly.

→ So I was just thinking if someone wanted to share their experience with washouts, and not only with the new micro-loop way but also in general? And what what experiences do you usually have with washouts when it comes to the cycles of recon and bloom?

Lately I have been pondering just how different playing subs for me is nowadays compared to the old days in here. Before I almost always played full loops and had manageable recon, but since the last couple of upgrades I barely go over 3 minutes at all anymore.

In a way that is a cool thing how it has evolved, but in another way it leaves me a bit more confused as it’s so much more unpredictable with the new tech. What I mean is unpredictable in my experience is the patterns of recon. A good example is me going down to micro-loops, which before would have cleared really quickly, but currently I’m sitting deep into a washout and it feels almost like overload.

This is a thing I noticed on earlier tech, that when recon cleared it felt like night and day, like a big release. But I don’t have that almost at all anymore and that is probably the reason why I feel like it is stuck in my head sometimes. It’s like before it was recon, and then suddenly flow and bloom, and maybe this is just a by product of the new tech that it shows up differently?

(or maybe from a logical standpoint, it’s the contrast. meaning long loops back in the days led to bigger releases, and now less input and therefore smaller releases that goes under the radar…)

I also acknowledge that it might be a particular period in my life I’m going through, but it just feels like I lack some clarity here. It doesn’t make sense to me, but a lot of things in life don’t make sense to our little mind-bubbles. All and all just feedback from what I experience right now and also looking for some wisdom from others :slight_smile:

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For me usually feeling bad after 3+ days of washout indicates that I haven’t resolved some deep issue that was being worked on during my cycle. And thus, I have continuous recon like you experience because the issue isn’t fully resolved but I stopped playing the subs which pump my brain full of positive messages, and now I’m kind of stuck

Try resuming your cycle with 1 min loops and see if it gets better in a couple of days

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Yes, I’m planning on maybe tomorrow resuming playing again. My thought with going for at least 10 days this time was to get to a state that is close to having the queue cleared out, especially after only having done micro-loops. Thanks for the reply.

This is an integration phase.

While running a title, you are constantly receiving positive information and feedback to help guide you through the issues. Without that stimulus, the individual is facing those same issues without having the positive scripting as support. What you’re experiencing is essentially, just reconciliation and whatever titles you were running have dug deep. We can see this with your postings on the GLM thread.

There’s a number of misconceptions that permeate this industry, primarily the idea that a subliminal – well, at least ours – is “installing a program,” which really makes no sense when you think about it. A computer is a basic input / output system, a hard drive merely stores and retrieves data. A computer does not think on its own, it has no agency, no independence of thought, no self-awareness. The human mind is not a simple computer, given that it has all the things mentioned above.

Subliminal results are produced by the friction between the ideal and the reality. By introducing subliminal audio, these two aspects are essentially brought into conflict, as the individual now has to take action to make the ideal the reality. If this cannot be done, or if there are internal blockages, the phenomenon known as “reconciliation” occurs.

There is nothing “stuck” in a person’s head, nothing is still “running,” you are merely processing the experiences and growth that occurred during the phase while you were actually running the title. Zero Point itself has evolved, but it has not become “stronger” in the sense that they believe. These notions and theories of adding “compressed data” and the such are untrue. And in fact, the current versions of Zero Point contain LESS information that the original Zero Point, which contained scripting that we called the “Primer,” a basic script that was uniform in every title with basic features like enhanced dominance, resilience and the such. But, that was removed because people would struggle with that scripting without even getting to the actual title scripting, and the Primer was turned into Ascension Chamber.

Now, what I find interesting – and this is not an indictment of anyone, but rather an observation – is that many of our customers, more than you may think, do not interact with the forum, but rather support. And those individuals do not grapple with issues of “overload” or having these sorts of issues. The other thing that can be observed by anyone who wants to read every post, is that these issues appear in clusters. One person will make some kind of claim that never really existed before, and then suddenly clusters of people will make the same claim.

Are we discrediting your experience? Of course not. However, contemplate this deeply to grasp the point that I am making. People are running titles containing scripting to help them bring forth and manifest their dreams. Your “internal manifestation” abilities are running high, so what happens when someone evokes fear with misinformation? You begin to experience doubt, you reframe your own results and then – boom – you have a situation where the person begins to experience washout recon, or – the re-emergence of the old reality, patterns and habits, brought about by the individual’s own fear response to misinformation and through that doubt, end up manifesting the same habits and the such that caused them to run the title in the first place.

And this misinformation is based on assumptions – these individuals are reading what other subliminal producers are doing, professional and YouTubers and assuming that we are doing the same, and yet we are not. For example, this notion of a subliminal “running in my head for long periods of time” is a feature that’s included in another producer’s script’s (so I have heard). This is not a regular practice at Subliminal Club, as this conflicts with our scripting philosophy of universality and customer control – allow the person’s mind to regulate itself, without the introduction of such things to artificially extend the results of the title beyond the customer’s conscious and active choice to use that title.

The other assumption is that of “compressed data,” that certain users keep pushing, most likely coming from YouTube producers believing that more is better and began doing such things. Again, this is not the case at Subliminal Club. The titles are of varying amounts of data, and the key determinant of this is subject matter.

Heartsong, for example, is remarkably short. Possibly the shortest title here, and yet the recon reports on this title is very high. And when you observe the recon patterns on that title, a theme becomes clear: people grapple with the idea of manifesting a soulmate due to self-worth issues, ideas of whether true love is even possible, etc. Go the thread and analyze it, you will see what I’m saying.

And thus, it is subject matter rather than the amount of data that indicates recon potential, and how deep in the human psyche does this subject matter touch upon? The idea of soulmates, true love, bonding, union, are such primal and core subjects within all of humanity. Think about it – who doesn’t want some kind of bonding, whether it is purely sexual / physical or a deep unbreakable spiritual connection? So when you take a title like New WANTED, which is exceptionally longer than Heartsong, and yet the latter has the potential to trigger more recon than WANTED – which is very much a “lemme get mah dick wet” kind of title – what does that tell you about the nature of human relationship?

These are the questions that we personally grapple with and respond to. When we say we make a title stronger or “nerf” it, we are not necessarily referring to the amount of the information, or the speed, but many times, a change in the manner that the information is expressed.

I would be willing to bet good money that this phenomenon of sudden overload will vanish very soon, now that we are going to start banning people who push an agenda regarding the nature of the titles. Look at the pattern, it is always around hype periods, or the introduction of new effective titles that these patterns emerge on the forum, and only on the forum, lol.

I will give another example, using actual people on the forum, to which they can confirm or deny that they understand what I mean. @bujin , for example, has openly stated that he does not even read the copy, does not allow the copy of products to affect his purchase decisions, relying on an inner intuitive process to guide purchases. You can see this same mindset in many others, like @emperor_obewan , @Malkuth , @Jouissance , @Invictus , et. al. Notice that you never see these names participating in any trend like this that emerges.

Also notice that these individuals seems to understand the nature of the relationship between subliminal producer, the forum / customer base and themselves. They do not give us undue praise, they do not place us on a pedestal, they recognize what we are mean when we say that we are not gurus, just producers. They question everything they see – including the things we say – and delve deeply into topics on their own.

There is a very clear connection between the individual’s ability to consume and process subliminal audio and their relationship with self and other, as well as their relationship with perceived authority. Why do you all think it is that we keep repeating this idea of not treating us like gurus, but rather professionals with a specialized knowledge set that fits this industry perfectly? Do you think it is a marketing ploy, or a false persona? No – we are simply assisting the Zero Point process of self-realization and becoming an authority of the self, rather than outsourcing that process to another human being.

Why do you think we rarely post on journals? The journals are for self-evaluation and growth, not for the producer to interject or pretend to be some great wise person who has all the answers. Our goal for the forum is to produce the circumstances in which like-minded groups of people can come together and help each other, while remaining true to themselves and remaining highly individual.

After you have run a title and experienced deep change, you must guard those results like a mother guards their children. When I’m in a washout period, I even avoid all social media and the news, having already identified an issue with cynicism masquerading as detachment. If I were to spend all my time on social media, I would very easily fall right back into that pattern of cynicism, because the world has gone batshit crazy in ways I could not have ever predicted. These types of things can throw you right back into the old patterns, along with misinformation and assumptions about “how the titles work.”

Notice that the same individuals mentioned above barely even openly asks how it “works”. Why is this? Well, look at their posts – they are more concerned with their own self-growth, intensely focusing on how they can maximize their own self-growth using these tools.

I would consider contemplating what was just said. I would bet good money that in a day or two, you will return and state that the recon has passed, or cleared.

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Thank you for sharing this, it gives me a totally new perspective and one that I have contemplated before which is that potentially some of my totally wrong ideas build-up over time may have created strong beliefs that are actually manifesting a reality for me with subliminal usage.

Is this what you mean by when clusters of people seem to believe into something and start to experience it? When nothing is actually objectively in the script or technology like that?

See for me I just want to clear the issue because something is really happening but it may as well be an internal manifestation as you mentioned. Is it possible this is some form of conscious guidance where I am expecting certain things to happen based upon my own beliefs?

One reason why I can say this resonates with me deeply is whenever I interact with someone on the forum who tells me something completely different from what I understand that is happening, a sudden, almost instant shift will happen in my reality because what I believed is no longer true or seems to be questioned. Actually this post of yours is one such occurrences. It really shifted my perspective on things.

Can assumptions, strong beliefs and assertions when tightly held onto become realities for us?

And actually whenever I see someone else mention they have a similar issue it works as a confirmation bias for me. Making whatever I think I am experiencing, and my theory about it more true, that there is something to it. So I think you are very on point with what you are saying @SaintSovereign and I am sorry to have contributed to this phenomena, I hope it can be stopped dead in its tracks now.

Long time ago I deeply studied how whatever we deeply believe creates our reality. So if I strongly believe something it makes sense that it will manifest for me like that. And if others also start believing into it, it will also start to manifest for them.

Belief ~> assuming it to be true and expecting a certain outcome to happen ~> creates reality accordingly.

And to be honest I am a bit hesitant to speak anything anymore because I don’t want to speculate and create wrong ideas within the community. I hope my lasts few posts regarding this issue did not do any harm. I am just trying to figure out what is or was going on so it can be resolved, that’s all. I am trying to avoid getting in trouble over this as much as possible.

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Thank you for your input Saint.

That I definitively don’t doubt, it always do, and it’s still early days with GLM and it will get better. I’m very mentally fatigued right now and I just had an hour walk in the forest and will be doing some writing and silence later this evening.

Just to clarify as I believe you took this opportunity to speak to greater forum and not only me personally as you stated. It just felt a bit weird as I read it… as I cannot remember that I have ever been one that actively and deliberately tries to spread misinformation or push ulterior agendas, or been putting you on high horses, which I’m not even that kind of person who likes to do anyways.

What I meant when using the word “overload,” was simply my own mental and emotional state at this moment. And the whole thread was just to see how others are experiencing similar things for myself to work with my own mind.

Or maybe it was just this part and me being tired that had me react this way, as it felt like a mix of talking directly to me and sometimes to the broader audience. Also I also see the rejected inner-self being triggered, not a lot, just slightly, which is a good sign. All good.

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No, I was very much making a broad statement. And I can see from your post, that these are tell-tale signs of reconciliation, lol.

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I’d like to comment on the larger topic a little bit later when I have more time, but for now, I’m laughing about how much @Niles and @Azriel and I have done this regarding subliminal effects on Sales…

I don’t buy too much of the forum’s perspectives on subliminals at large, but the three of us, as the only three users on the forum that are still active and regularly discussing sales, have created our own microcosm of beliefs around house subliminals affect Sales. House of Medici is good for manifesting leads. Start black is better for corporate, chosen is better for emotional sales, etc.

True or untrue, doesn’t matter, it’s just interesting to acknowledge the truth in what you’re saying, and how much of my beliefs around subliminal effects come from our tiny little three person Salescommunity here.

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Haha, yeah I know. I was re-reading it before posting and I saw how defensive it looked lol. Hey even when I walked in the forest, a tiny lizard scared the shit out of me as it plowed through some leaves on the side of the road lol. And I played like crap at Chess which is another sign.

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@tobyone I would say that the length of time that you’re still processing in recon is certainly one or two standard deviations away from average, but still well within the normal range for hard hitting titles.

After my first cycle of Genesis, I took a 14 day washout, because I was following an intuitive process to just keep on washing out until I was ready. The washout was as intense as you were describing until day 11, then I got the feeling of mental peace and clarity.

My mind just had stuff to work through.

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Yeah makes sense, sometimes one just have to throw out the logical part and just listen intuitively and give it the time it needs…

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You expressed so beautifully, I was hooked! I resonated with every word.

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Mostly true, sometimes I’ll skim a bit but I lose interest quickly. I’m far more interested in the inner experience and how the subs express in me, and reading the copy interferes with that by setting expectations. The exception was HLTB, which drew me in with the beauty of its concepts, but if you asked me now I couldn’t tell you any of its objectives. I’m just interested to see how it expresses in me in the next 6-12 months. The experience itself is the point.

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I find myself consistently becoming more productive in a washout.
That’s one of the reasons why for more than a year, i have cut my cycle’s length in half.
It also maintains how light the stack feels to me, which further allows me to focus more on my work.
I still get the same results but with less “load”.

The first long washout I did made me realize how light it can make me feel that I cut my cycle’s length to only around a week (excluding the length of the washout) for the next 1-2 months, i still got the same results, but the lightness allowed me to focus more.

I think it depends on why you use the subs & what subs you use. For productivity subs, My objective with using subs is just to lubricate the process; playing less & using more washouts net me a good balance. But for subs like LBFH, I need play them more often to get & maintain the results I desire. It depends.

Overall, I either never got that late washout recon, or it happened so long ago that i forgot.


P.s.

This excludes the new listening schedule, which goes in a totally different direction. I’m still trying to find an opening to adopt it into my overall strategy.

The new anti-recon scripting is such a game changer that it can completely flip everything i know from testing & finding what works best for me upside down. I’m very excited for it.

I can attest to this. My friends who have stuck with SC longer than me, but aren’t involved in the forum, never mentioned overload once. They just follow the pdf instructions and they have great results.

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It’s a very interesting phenomenon, one that baffled @Fire and myself for awhile. But, it does stand to prove that our strategy of creating a microcosm of society here on the forum and monitoring patterns between this “smaller collective” and the “larger collective,” observing how they mirror each other.

If anyone wonders how we seem to release titles that addresses collective need, that is how. We watch for patterns, then respond appropriately. There’s a reason New GLM took the direction it did, and it isn’t because “omg Saint expresses as spiritual,” because sometimes a more esoterically themed title ISN’T what’s needed, but something more practical and material. We recognized the sheer amount of shittery happening in the world today, noticed how moods and tempers on the forum and throughout society are skyrocketing, and decided to address that with a title that helps you remain calm within the storm.

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The main thing I’m noticing is that the cycles have a naturalistic feel.

I think that the programs’ ‘handshake’ ability has just continued to advance over the years.

The oldest programs were like this:

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Later programs were like this:

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Then they became this:

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and now they’re like this:

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The extent to which it integrates with and into your own organic process has just continued to leap and advance.

A little more into the future, maybe we’re looking at:

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So maybe now instead of managing the subliminal, the emphasis shifts more to managing your self?

I’m tending to think like this now.

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Could the truth be somewhere in between?

Maybe people outside of the forum do experience overload to some degree, but since they lack awareness of the phenomenon, they just brush it off. Over time, they adapted to it and it stopped being a problem.

Consequently in the forum; on one hand, they become aware of it and how it affects them, leading to them modifying their surroundings to accommodate for it. On the other, they start to miscontribute things as overload/being too concerned about it. Similar to how we often see things get overblown/misattributed to recon from subs.


Or is it simply just doesn’t exist?

Maybe it’s just a form of recon all along that we separated into the term “overload”?

Just because it’s a long held belief in the community, doesn’t mean it’s true/even real after all.

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Pretty much my experience. I started using subs in March and found the forums so overwhelming that I stuck to the basics (consistency, reflection, action, wash out). I’ve had great results and no serious complications. If I ever felt off or had strange occurrences, I look at the mundane circumstances, addressed them/reflected and moved on.

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Reading in the forum e.g. very much encourages to look for recon and when you are actively looking for it you will probably find it. (actual recon but also bad moods through bad habits, dehydrations, social, emotional turmoil, hangover, trauma or just simple autosuggestion.)

Misattributing the mood could hinder results, if one would e.g. reduce to minimal exposure because of the other causes or as an evasion tactic. At one point a lot of my recon vanished when I went to a festival and had happy distraction and no time to concentrate on it. (Though the fresh air and the physically exhausting stuff probably also helped.)

It would be interesting to know if people living alone have more recon than the ones living in bigger households.