EXPERIMENTAL Microloop / ZPU Listening Instructions

[heartmadeiron]

How many main and secondary ate you talking about here

[William]

This is how it has been going for me for the past few months:

@William

No recon with DRR3 again so far.
Resetting it was the right call.

WB has been smooth. The effects have also been consistent lately.

The reset & the intentional break from those 2 subs for 5 days have been worth it.

@William

Oh there was recon.
It has been recony since yesterday.

I’m gonna take an early 5 day washout for DRR3 & WB. EE will still be played, it has the anti recon scripting.

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Update 1:

11 days on 5 days off for WB & DRR3…

Did I just loop back around to my way of cycling from before I started the new experimental 2 month schedule? ROFLMAO

Well, at least it’s working for EE.

I’m gonna use this stack for more than a year total. I already got great consistent results. There’s no incentive for me to push those two subs beyond this.

@William

I’m gonna observe this more and give a comprehensive report to the experiment’s thread after this cycle.

For now, the most likely hypothesis is that a more frequent washout still works better for me, at least for the older/problematic subs in the stack.

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Now that i think about it, was it the anti-recon scripting guiding me to take washouts in the first place? There’s a possibility.

Listening length: mostly <15s for DRR3 & WB, <30s for EE. I can’t get lower than this. I even resetted the playtime lower a few times.

I found myself unable to finish the new cycle without a sub that has no anti recon (before EE got updated). But now my results have been more consistent with less funny businesses after I took a 5 day break (the first quote) from the subs that haven’t been updated with anti recon, independent from EE.

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EE DRR3 WB
EE DRR3 WB
EE
EE
EE DRR3 WB
EE DRR3 WB
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Nothing conclusive yet. I need to get to the end of this cycle before I can say anything conclusive. But for now, either the anti recon or the break (or both) have been working so well that the results from DRR3 & WB have been noticeably better & more consistent than the last cycle when I tried the new experimental schedule.

[SaintSovereign]

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[heartmadeiron]

Wonderful. I’ll be referring to this often.

[BlissAdventurer]

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[Merovingian]

I’m confused, are you saying that after overusing WB you saw no effect but when you didn’t listen to it for a while and then read the product description again got instant results? Or did you listen to it again at 30 seconds and got instant results?

[ryder004]

So for the 60 day cycles, it doesn’t matter if its a new title with newest tech or a 2023 title right?

We can still do 30 listening days/60 day total cycle ?

Or is this for new tech only

[Judoka]

Also isnt it a 59 day cycle?

1. Listen |
2. Rest |
3. Listen |
4. Rest |
5. Listen |
6. Rest |
7. Listen |
8. Rest |
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Washout
1.Rest
2.Rest
3.Rest
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5.Rest
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7.Rest
8.Rest

[Risky]

I wouldn’t get too hung up on this. It’s 30 listening days for a cycle, and with the flexibility to take longer or shorter rest days in between listening days, a cycle can vary in length.

sony wh-1000xm3

[SaintSovereign]

@ryder004

So for the 60 day cycles, it doesn’t matter if its a new title with newest tech or a 2023 title right?

We can still do 30 listening days/60 day total cycle ?

Or is this for new tech only

You can do this with the older tech IF you are using the progressive microloop strategy. We have spread that ALL throughout the manual. Only if you are genuinely using the microloop strategy, since we’ve been doing microloops tech for quite some time now.

Anti-recon and adaptive scripting are relatively new, but the microloop build existed long before we publicly started urging people to use microloops.

[Parsifal]

@SaintSovereign

Under the progressive microloop strategy, you would listen to all three titles at the appropriate length in the same day. If that’s 30s, you’d listen to all three at 30s.

So did this change?
Because in the new official listening instructions it’s back to the old split model.

I’m doing pretty fine with my recent stack of KB1, QL1 and a Ascension+LB custom.
When recon kicked from the custom I just decrease old the overall listening time.

[SaintSovereign]

@Parsifal

So did this change?
Because in the new official listening instructions it’s back to the old split model.

I’m doing pretty fine with my recent stack of KB1, QL1 and a Ascension+LB custom.
When recon kicked from the custom I just decrease old the overall listening time.

@SaintSovereign

The new Instructions are to prepare for the future, as we are quickly heading into ZPU territory. The days must be offset because those titles are that powerful.

It’s probably better to go ahead and start practicing the new system, ask questions, point out where you’re confused so that I can clarify in the instructions (that’s why we soft launched them — wanted to see what’s confusing everyone). These instructions will be vital to all future titles.

In fact, with EoG: True Sell, and the RICH titles, we aren’t “heading into ZPU territory,” we are IN ZPU territory.

That’s why we had to slow down, write the instructions and start helping everyone get used to them.

!5char

[Forexpreneur]

@Parsifal this has been updated to prepare everyone for the upcoming releases that will be the 1st ZPU titles

Since you are listening to non ZPU titles than stick to what works for you. I had just started a new stack on Feb 1 (I added a new title to my previous 2 title stack) and was listening to all 3 at once on listening day. With this updated listening manual I thought I somehow got my information wrong, but I didn’t.

So just understand, the listening instructions are preparing us for the upcoming ZPU titles and to work out any confusion on the new listening instructions. Just keep the new listening instruction in mind if you are going to add upcoming ZPU releases to your future stack.

[gianfortuin]

@SaintSovereign when it comes to microloop listening strategy they say 15 seconds so when I listen to the new R.I.C.H ZP file with my earphones which is 15 minutes. I listen for 15 seconds then mark the time where I stopped, take the next day off after the day off I carry on from the marked time or point I stopped listen to15 seconds and so on gradually increasing the seconds as I go through the 30 day cylce if I understand correctly?

[Philemon]

you always start from the beginning when playing the sub.

[gianfortuin]

Ok thanks man much appreciated @Philemon so I can start 15 sec then after rest day attempt 30 sec etc if I feel recon I just bring it down again. So I carry on like that until I can listen to the full 15 min by the end of the 30 day cycle.

[jelly]

Yup, and ideally you don’t even need to worry about reaching the full 15 minutes. Through enough conscious action and unconscious wisdom, you may end up not needing to listen to the 15 minute mark. As long as you reach your goals, who cares about how many minutes your loop is?

[Forexpreneur]

@gianfortuin

So I carry on like that until I can listen to the full 15 min by the end of the 30 day cycle.

Everyone is different and it depends on the sub. One quote that you’ll see often from @SaintSovereign is “Less is more.” To break that down, don’t overload yourself because your results will be considerable slower than if you stuck with 30 second microloops, or whatever length is your processing flow.

I’ve been running Dragon Regen + GLM for a couple of months and I was only able to get up to 3 minutes for each. I did a washout and added EOG 1 on Feb 1 and I’m plateaued at 2 minute loops for each still. But I’m getting good results, and that’s ultimately the goal.

I tried getting all 3 to 3 minutes each and I couldn’t sleep for whatever reason and I just wasn’t getting results. As soon as I took an extra rest day and dropped all 3 down to two minutes each, bam, I was processing it all very well.

[Parsifal]

Also, some run less than a minute for over year and get crazy results.

[oloy]

@SaintSovereign @Fire am I supposed to do same length of microloop across all 3 titles? Or if I have experience wid 2 of them, I can do title A (5min), title B (5min) break day title C(15 sec)