EXPERIMENTAL Microloop / ZPU Listening Instructions

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#228

Oh my just read this. Massive face plant.
Live and learn I suppose. Now I know what not to do…

Ive put myself in a bad position now even switching tittles that caused recon mid cycle. Would you recommend a full washout and start my DR Red run back from stage 1 (currently on stage 2). Or continue as is and make sure to follow these principles in the future.

I was very much looking forward to stage 3 and taking flight.

Edit:
Note: Ive had ALOT of positive results despite not following these guidelines that I hadn’t read.

#229

My guess would be to simply drop the sub you want to change, use only two subs for 12 days, then integrate the new sub into your stack starting with low exposure (like 30 seconds) for all 3.

Support even told me to do the 12 days if my stack only consists of 2 subs.

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#230

According to that article you can do a normal 5 day washout for the other 2 tittles, but you need an extra week for the title you are replacing.

This is what I normally do:
Let’s say I am doing titles A, B and C. I want to swap C for D.
Seven days before the wash out I stop listening to C and I continue to listen to A and B normally for a week (rest days included). Then 5 days wash out and then the new cycle:
A, B and D starting all from 30 seconds.
Of course, you can do this at any time and take the wash out before it was due.

Good luck!!

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#231

But if I already managed to reach 15 minutes, do I need to start again at 30 seconds after the washout period?

#232

I tried both ways when switching titles, and dropping down was better to transition into

But that could be because of the nature of the title (this was with Love Bomb and then Love Bomb + Regeneration custom)

But I might not need to for a title I am high flow factor with. I haven’t figured that out yet

I think it will really be personal experience and experimental to see what works best. This is an Experimental listening schedule after all

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#233

How does the microloop strategy incorporate multiple subliminals?

Where and at what point would subs 2-3 come into play?

@Malkuth and/or @SaintSovereign ?

#234

Has anyone managed to finish a full cycle using these new instructions?

I started with micro loops and then short loops, currently 7 minutes each of my 3 subs and this is the highest I have managed so far. I often take more than 1 rest day and, at the moment, I am increasing listening time by one minute at the time repeating the same duration for a few days untill it feels right to increase it by another minute. Life, ilnesses and other issues get in the way and so far I haven’t managed to complete a 30 listening day cycle. I end up doing a 5 day wash out before I get there.

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#235

Not much to add, but I struggle similarly. Also only at 1 min loops. Last cycle I got to 20 days and had to break for a little over 5 days.

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#236

It depends on the subs you’re working on but it’s recommended to start out at 1 minute and to NOT increase the length until you have ZERO Recon. So one listening day one day off. If you experience no Recon than increase ALL Subs another 30 seconds and stay at that until NO Recon.

By no means I’m I being prickly or salty but if you’re having to take more than 1 rest day you’re doing it wrong and need to reduce the amount of listening time. It’s not a race. You will have much better success with shorter loops.

I’m only half way into my round using this technique but I decided to only work on GLM. That is a very condensed Sub and there is a ton to it so the recommendation with one title is to run it twice a day on listening day and then one rest day.

But I recommend reducing your loop time back down to 5 minutes and see if that works. If that doesn’t work than bring it down to 3 minutes and take it from there.

Saint often only runs 30 second loops and he’s very advanced at running Subs so that should tell you something. :wink:

Saint just mentioned that there will be an official post coming up very soon and the Microloop protocol will be the new official protocol. Not sure if it’s changed at all since this post

Experimental Microloop Protocol

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#237

A couple of times it has been due to recon and, in those cases, I have reduced listening times. Most of the time I have taken more than one rest days because I haven’t found the time. Ideally, I like listening when I am relaxed. I get up at 5 am for work, when I come back I have lots of stuff to do and listening before bed used to give me trouble sleeping. I normally listen early in the morning on one of my days off or sometimes after work, but it is not easy to find 21+ minutes when I can relax.
Family and other commitments also get in the way.

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#238

Yes . Progressed to full loops smoothly .

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#239

Thanks for your answer.
Do you listen to them back to back or at different times?

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#240

Back to back . :slightly_smiling_face:

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#241

Completely understandable. Especially if there is a title that is working on some deep blockages and you listen to it before sleep.

I could understand how your schedule and everything makes it difficult. Easier said than done but try to be more patient with yourself and try to give yourself some kudos for trying to work through your hurdles.

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#242

Wow thats great.

Im still at 5m microloops for the 3 subs

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#243

5m isn’t a micro loop by far.
Anything between 30s and 2:59m is a micro loop.
Anything from 3m onwards is a regular loop.

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#244

Well, microloops can be as short as 10 seconds if the title is difficult to run for the user. Saint mentioned that in some thread, I don’t remember exactly.

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#245

That was the official answer from support when I asked about clarification about micro loop length. 30 seconds to 2:59.

Of course you can go lower.
And still get bombastic results.

That led me to call shorter loops quantum loops. Something smaller than micro.
I think @William who uses these kind of short loops pretty often has his own name for them.

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#246

I think those names are better.

I usually call anything <30s as aggressive microlooping or super short microloops, lol.
Scuffed but it gets the message across.

#247

What about running your main titles for the full 15 mins 3 days a week and then doing 15 second micro loops twice a week ? Would that still be over exposure?