Looking forward to their response. I was doing 3 minutes each on Dragon Regen + GLM and did a washout then added EOG1 on Feb 1. I tried doing Dragon Regen + GLM at 2 minutes and EOG1 at 30 seconds. I had a heck of a time sleeping. I experimented around and then took an extra rest day.
I think adding the third was too much to process with the other 2 at two minutes. Dropping the time on those two down helped drastically.
This is my experience and not official.
I like to keep it at the same duration on all titles so that it is easier to identify what title is causing recon. I also operate with the attitude that If a title is causing recon that is the one I need to focus on to get better results.
Unless I specifically want to work on a sub I keep it the same but if one that is less of a priority is causing recon I will reduce exposure for that title.
Iâm wondering the same.
Is the progression per title or global?
if we start like that:
If we change our stack, do the rotation instructions EXPERIMENTAL: Zero Point Stack Rotation still applies with the new listening instructions?
Stack rotation article:
When washing out for five days after a 21 day cycle (as stated in the listening guides here), you must take an additional seven days of washout / non-exposure from the title you intend on rotating. You need at least 12 days of non-exposure between the original title in your stack and the new one.
New listening instructions:
After 30 listening days, a âwashoutâ period is required. This means after 30 days of active listening (donât count the rest days), stop all input from subliminal audio for 5-8 days or more
So basically, we should still take one week more of washout for any title being rotated if I understand correctly?
If we do so, do we start all titles over from 15s?
Or only the title that we rotated in, keeping the others at the former listening level?
Or we drop exposure to the titles we keep to the lower tier while starting the title we rotate in at 15s?
or something else?
If the title we rotate in is one we have experience with, do we lower the exposure level from last time we used it or start from 15s?
The microloops donât have to be the same length. You can progress through one quicker than the other. No need for them to be synchronized. Just remember that the more titles youâre running, the greater the chance of reconciliation if you do something like 10-15 minutes of one title and microloops of the other. Itâs all about recon management.
It is easier, however, to use the same exposure for all three. Think of it as using a singular custom, just spread across three titles.
The Cost of Nuance/Internal Differentiation is Complication.
In my case, I love Nuance, but Iâm not the biggest fan of Complicatedness.
So, I work to find the right balance.
And often skew towards simplicity.
One question to ask is âHow many moving parts can my system reasonably handle/accommodate?â
Donât want to end up like this guy:
So is 60 days the new standard? 60 days followed by 5-8 (or more) days of washout/integration. Because that amounts to 30 active listening days.
Yes. From the instructions:
After 30 listening days, a âwashoutâ period is required. This means after 30 days of active listening (donât count the rest days), stop all input from subliminal audio for 5-8 days or moreâif you feel more time is needed for integration, take it. The washout period is necessary to avoid long-term overexposure and to allow for deep integration.
Yes, this means itâll be approximately 60 calendar days before the washout occurs, regardless of whether youâre running one, two, or three titles. This is because all patterns follow the one-listening-day, one-rest-day rhythm. But again, this pattern is contingent on you properly utilizing the progressive microloop strategy. Donât overexpose!
Remember: Reducing exposure is always acceptable and often beneficial. As long as you remain consistent with your listening practice, results may emerge. Quality and integration matter far more than quantity of exposure.
https://instructions.subliminalclub.com/#22-listening-pattern
Not to be that guy but 30 listening days with 1 rest day inbetween is exactly 59 days
Not to be that guy but 30 listening days with 1 rest day inbetween is exactly 59 days
The numbers are gonna trip people up. I think I have a solution.
Get a calendar.
Circle your starting date.
Put a number beside every listening day.
Stop at 30.
God, I donât even know what I was thinking when I wrote that.
What I was really trying to ask is if it matters if Iâm running full loops or micro loops, or a combination of both, if we just keep it around 60 days standard.
I kinda just assumed 60 days for full loops too because the goal is to run full loops eventually anyway.
If Uranus is in retrograde then it could be 69 days. 
Honestly, Iâd say the best approach is adopting 60 days + micro loops across the board.
Youâll eventually be running full ZPU stacks. So itâ's good practice to get used to the longer cycles now.
60 days + micro looping already works for ZPU titles.
Itâs much easier applying one set of rule for every title/stack than mix-matching them depending on what youâre running.
I also advocate for starting every cycle with micro loops; even after youâve found a sweet spot. Thereâs no guarantee youâll respond the same way after a wash out. Iâll spend the first week carefully assessing moods, actions, thoughts and motivations before pushing familiar titles ahead.
I can attest to this. I was using GLM + Dragon Regen and did a washout so I could add EOG1 to the stack. I was using GLM + Dragon Regen at 3 minutes for each and started the new stack doing that and only 30 seconds of EOG1. Took a couple listening days of recon to re-evaluate and I dropped GLM + Regen to 1.5 minutes and still struggled. Got it dialed in after a week.
@SaintSovereign often says âLess is moreâ and I get it now.
Why did you increase to 60 days?
See bold. It also discourages sub hopping.
If I change my stack do I need to take a 12 days washout?
As far as I know, yes.
It is a good idea so you donât have overexposure. Also gives time for what youâve been listening to recently to blossom.
Easier way - Make excel file and just input a day
do a simple formula to +2 date from the input date and drag it down. Easy. Shows you the listening days.
Edit:
Iâve made a software for listening during sleep. This is how I have the software to read what day to play the amount of time.
Edit 2:
It also sends a message to phone, If I donât want to do ultrasonic today to remind me to listen to mask.
Sorcery!