Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

I’d say it depends on the recon.
If it’s endurable, like just some slight headache after listening or minimal irritability the next day, I’d say, stay at that exact level of exposure. Until the recon is gone.
Only if the recon is too strong I’d reduce listening time.

Recon isn’t your enemy. He doesn’t have to be avoided at all costs.

Absolutely :+1: I agree. I think it’s written or was recommended before that it’s about a balance between recon and results, and that balance is up to you.

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I believe there will always be “recon”, no matter how low you go in exposure. It’s just a part of change.

Even if you stay at 10s for half a year, you’ll still get recon. You’re still changing, you’re still reconciling with the process of progressing.

The problem is when it’s too much and becomes something that negatively affects you.

Slow, gentle progression can be, if not, as powerful as finding the “most optimal” highest point of your sweet spot.

From my experience, it’s almost as strong, but also significantly more consistent as I don’t have have to deal with shits going south because I failed to notice some recon until after the fact.

It’s also easier to deal with present recon as I can give more focus on solving one at a time. This spacing also allows me to go deep into every point of progress that recon presents to me, leading to more thorough resolutions than trying to move from one recon to another like hot potatoes.

Smooth progression is a viable & powerful option.

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These instructions are excellent

It goes beyond loop length and covers things like actions and manifestations too

Pretty thorough information :ok_hand:

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@SaintSovereign I want to (politely, of course) ask if you could discuss this in a little more depth? :slight_smile:
I submitted a Q&A about Terminus titles a few weeks back here, I’ve also submitted a ticket to support, and then followed up on their reply with another ticket, but I’m still pretty baffled as to the benefits of Terminus titles?

So, I get that they have a higher ‘information density’.
But this leaves me with two questions:

  1. But if we consider the listening protocol for a standard ZP title (custom or name-embedded), where we can listen to (e.g.) 30s, 1m, 3m, 7m, 15m loops, does that mean for a Terminus title, if it has double the information density (e.g. ‘instructions per second’) then the standard listening protocol above has all the times halved (and quartered for Terminus Squared)?

And if not (or even if that’s true), is that it?
Are there other things? I feel there must be, otherwise, I don’t really get what the purpose of it is.

2) Also, how has the functionality of the Terminus format, or its effectiveness or ease of use etc been altered by the latest anti-recon and adaptive scripting technology? (if at all)

And one thing I’m confident of by now is that SubClub do not make redundant tech or release things to their customer without purpose :slight_smile:

I feel I’m missing something (or some things) here, but I don’t know what! Can you help? :slight_smile:
Even if I may (or may not) be ready for a Terminus title now, at some point later, I should be, so it would be good to know :slight_smile:

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The new Instructions are to prepare for the future, as we are quickly heading into ZPU territory. The days must be offset because those titles are that powerful.

It’s probably better to go ahead and start practicing the new system, ask questions, point out where you’re confused so that I can clarify in the instructions (that’s why we soft launched them — wanted to see what’s confusing everyone). These instructions will be vital to all future titles.

In fact, with EoG: True Sell, and the RICH titles, we aren’t “heading into ZPU territory,” we are IN ZPU territory.

That’s why we had to slow down, write the instructions and start helping everyone get used to them.

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Still confused but im guessing this is prob proprietary info im asking about.

Either way, I am interested in trying it in future once I build a custom I love.

Curious to know what new tech or improvement you guys have in mind for ZPU.

For example, how would the new Rich line of product will expand beyond Adaptative Scripting and Anti-recon.

What changes here between C&C (which in my opinion is a major jump in terms of results) and Rich + True Sell.

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THIS. When I saw Saint’s post, I had the exact same question in mind :grinning:
Exciting times ahead, can’t wait (but I guess I’ll have to, lol) :slight_smile:

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Not at all. You use them the same exact way with more caution in recon management. I’m not going to give out exact specifics on how ZPT’s build. They are more powerful than the majority of people needs anyway and should only be used when you have mastered a title and want to extract more value.

I will add this guidance to the manual.

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Really liked that you added this bit, it shows how the changes start to build up over time in increments

Which is why when we reflect we notice the jump more:

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Any news on this btw?

I know your busy tho

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No. QTKS is superior to Terminus in every way.

Yes, I am reluctant to give direct instructions on that part (if you encounter recon at a higher tier and you need to go back down). If you’re following the instructions, you’ll have a journal somewhere (offline or online) with the information that can help you make a decision.

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There is not. We are infinitely busy right now, I will return to these requests once things have calmed down.

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Got it thank you so much @SaintSovereign !

Will we eventually be able to mix the two? When selecting a QTKS custom, the only build option I see is QTKS itself. I’d love to be able to build a Terminus or Quantum strength custom using my voice, even if it’s considered more experimental.

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On another note what about ZPQ vs QTKS. Which one would you say is more superior? @SaintSovereign

Will there be thunder? :blush:

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Thanks, and just to add, my questions about Terminus aside, I really like the updated instruction manual page! So much useful info in there including the new items I’ve never seen before.
Definitely worth the wait :pray:t2:

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You will be happy to know that @Fire and myself have started work on this. No dates yet, however.

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