Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

[Layman]

@GoldenTiger

What changes here between C&C (which in my opinion is a major jump in terms of results) and Rich + True Sell.

THIS. When I saw Saint’s post, I had the exact same question in mind
Exciting times ahead, can’t wait (but I guess I’ll have to, lol)

[SaintSovereign]

@Layman

But if we consider the listening protocol for a standard ZP title (custom or name-embedded), where we can listen to (e.g.) 30s, 1m, 3m, 7m, 15m loops, does that mean for a Terminus title, if it has double the information density (e.g. ‘instructions per second’) then the standard listening protocol above has all the times halved (and quartered for Terminus Squared)?

Not at all. You use them the same exact way with more caution in recon management. I’m not going to give out exact specifics on how ZPT’s build. They are more powerful than the majority of people needs anyway and should only be used when you have mastered a title and want to extract more value.

I will add this guidance to the manual.

[MAkh]

Really liked that you added this bit, it shows how the changes start to build up over time in increments

Which is why when we reflect we notice the jump more:

[Judoka]

@SaintSovereign

Let me see what I can do. I can quickly adapt New Wanted’s physical shifting scripting into a single module, but I don’t know about multiple

Any news on this btw?

I know your busy tho

[SaintSovereign]

@Plutus

If one has already run their sub for over a year, would they get better results with something like T Squared or QTKS if recon is not an issue? @SaintSovereign

No. QTKS is superior to Terminus in every way.

@Risky

Absolutely I agree. I think it’s written or was recommended before that it’s about a balance between recon and results, and that balance is up to you.

Yes, I am reluctant to give direct instructions on that part (if you encounter recon at a higher tier and you need to go back down). If you’re following the instructions, you’ll have a journal somewhere (offline or online) with the information that can help you make a decision.

[SaintSovereign]

@Judoka

Any news on this btw?

There is not. We are infinitely busy right now, I will return to these requests once things have calmed down.

[Plutus]

@SaintSovereign

No. QTKS is superior to Terminus in every way

Got it thank you so much @SaintSovereign !

[jelly]

@SaintSovereign

No. QTKS is superior to Terminus in every way.

Will we eventually be able to mix the two? When selecting a QTKS custom, the only build option I see is QTKS itself. I’d love to be able to build a Terminus or Quantum strength custom using my voice, even if it’s considered more experimental.

[Plutus]

On another note what about ZPQ vs QTKS. Which one would you say is more superior? @SaintSovereign

[Moon]

@SaintSovereign

ZPU territory

Will there be thunder?

[Layman]

Thanks, and just to add, my questions about Terminus aside, I really like the updated instruction manual page! So much useful info in there including the new items I’ve never seen before.
Definitely worth the wait

[SaintSovereign]

@Moon

Will there be thunder?

You will be happy to know that @Fire and myself have started work on this. No dates yet, however.

[SaintSovereign]

@jelly

Will we eventually be able to mix the two? When selecting a QTKS custom, the only build option I see is QTKS itself. I’d love to be able to build a Terminus or Quantum strength custom using my voice, even if it’s considered more experimental.

We’ll look into it, but QTKS is already more powerful than Terminus or Terminus Squared. It’d almost be a downgrade.

[Moon]

@SaintSovereign

You will be happy to know that @Fire and myself have started work on this. No dates yet, however.

Well I’m happy it’s getting worked on.

[Plutus]

What about comparing to ZPQ. Is QTKS more powerful? @SaintSovereign

I’m considering upgrading my custom to QTKS once True Sell and RICH get upgraded that’s why.

[MAkh]

Your persistance paid off

[SaintSovereign]

@Plutus

I’m considering upgrading my custom to QTKS once True Sell and RICH get upgraded that’s why.

QTKS is it’s own build – it’s difficult to compare the two outside of the results that we’ve seen. If you have found great value in your QTKS to the point where it justifies the potential costs, I would say proceed with that plan. EoG: True Sell and The New R.I.C.H. will be phenomenal. QTKS would just enhance that.

[Moon]

@SaintSovereign

EoG: True Sell and The New R.I.C.H. will be phenomenal. QTKS would just enhance that.

He’s baiting us. Stay strong brothers. Keep your current stacks.

[SaintSovereign]

@Hoppa

And if there is no feeling of recon at all?

Asking for a friend.

I’d still work through the title progressively. Your friend would just move through quicker. However, it would be a prime opportunity to REALLY self-reflect to see why they are stonewalling. There may be very subtle reactions that they are not aware of, but can see now that they are progressing slower.

[gdbdboy]

How common is stonewalling Saint ?

Because in Masterclass , it was mentioned , Stonewalling is extremely rare . ZP Powered Subs are too strong for someone to stonewall .