Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

Tbh for me its kind of strange the only sort of processing i sort of feel is in my dreams for me its just either

Vivid dreams or nothing or overload so its can of hard sometimes to know if im listening too much or too little so i just focus on if im getting results and just stay there but getting there is a struggle as i dont know if im listening above or below my sweet spot

LOL. :fist:

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If I overexposed? How much time washout? I did full loops of 3 different titles on the same day.

Want to re start with 2 titles and start on 15 seconds.

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Not very. Not at all. I don’t think @Hoppa is stonewalling, but that’s not my place to comment on too much.

Not sure. :slight_smile:

Hoppa seems to know what he’s doing within the context of his results. Who am I to question?

You’re just starting over to take advantage of the progressive microloop strategy, right? Take around 3 days to be on the safe side. Remember everyone – the instructions are for FUTURE products mostly, but can be applied to the earlier ones. The goal here is to prepare for ZPU’s arrival, which will require microloops due to impact.


@Judoka read between the lines, brother.

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Hm. A necklace with red & green candlesticks with a curved arrow going up. Looks like RICH Trader to me.

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Look. He’s baiting us again. Stay strong.

Fuck. I’ve just noticed I skipped today too. Holy.

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Saint is that an official pic of you? Is this a neck reveal?

Also check dm plz

This is clearly AI, lol.

It is a prototype R.I.C.H. Trader logo though. :stuck_out_tongue:

We’re entering the development phase where we start testing art and copy.

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Yes I’m starting micro loops only now, I thought I will need like a week of washout, will take 3 days and start my stack.

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How it feels knowing we got about 1-2week for it.

(ngl actually enjoying these memes)

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@SaintSovereign

Side note:

ZPQ etc strength masks - Has testing on them been completed?

I see plenty of value in testing the new official approach.

Going to to take a few days off and try it.

It’s a marathon, after all.

Might as well finally test multi stack properly too.

C&C and KB. And the new RICH once it arrives.

Just have to see how the Rebel makes a mess of this plan…

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Heeeeellll yeah :fire::clinking_glasses:

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Starting the new listening plan taking the time to reset back to 15 seconds on my subs.

I would love to hear more about ZPU, What it is, How its different from ZP, Etc?

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Hi @SaintSovereign
I’ve been guilty of this and recognised I needed to reduce my stack accordingly.

But I thought part of the point/advantage of customs was the ability to run two cores in a custom, with the idea being that, because a bunch of supporting scripting from the standard titles wasn’t being duplicated in each core, the overall density/load of a 2-core custom was quite a bit less than that of running those two standard titles separately?

Right now, I only have a single item in my ā€˜stack’: one custom with DR: Regeneration and Love Bomb
But in the next few weeks, I will do the washout and look to re-build my stack.

With the new Instruction Manual you posted, it seems now would be a good time to get some clarity on my stack building.

From what you’ve said, if we want to run our stack all on the same listening day, we should stick to two titles/customs. If 3, then we need to stagger the listening days.

And you’ve advised that the upcoming RICH Trader will be ZPU and really powerful.

So my questions are:
1) If I run a stack of 2 customs, each with 2 cores that have complementary objectives, using older titles or at least ones that came prior to C&C, and with a light selection of modules, is this light enough to avoid overload or slowing of results?

2) what if Emperor C&C were one of those cores? does that change anything?

3) and how about with the more powerful titles you’ve referred to, such as the upcoming RICH Trader?
If that were combined in a custom with (e.g.) Limitless: RAIKOV or EE?

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Ohhh yeaahh :star2:

Breathe in and breathe out:

Nothing is going to trump reality for teaching you about the limits and specifications.

The guidelines are guide lines.

But there’s ultimately nothing to argue about and no one to argue with. Nobody to bargain with. What works is what works. And there’s one foolproof way to find out what that is:

Go and check.

Want to put two cores into a custom?

Try them separately.

How do they process? How are your results? Do change and action feel heavy when you play them?

Might be what happens when you combine them.

Not always. But probably.

The number one secret to successful subliminals work is what you’re doing when you’re Not listening to subliminals. That’s where all of this thought and planning would best be placed.

(an opinion)

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Sure, if you’ve used the Major Titles that corresponds to those cores and found success. Or at least, that’s the INTENDED use. The experimental usage (and most common) is people using it to skirt the rule. And that’s fine – just make sure your stack is tight, that you’ve selected titles and cores that are synergistic in a way you can actually express on some level.

Adaptive scripting is going to help with a lot of this, given that the script will help you generate results at your level immediately, and those results gradually start building up until the next thing you know, you are not expressing R.I.C.H. Trader, you ARE a rich trader.

As we walk through the wonder, heading down the road to Zero Point Union, planning and progressive work is going to instrumental to an individual’s success. Those who embrace the idea of repeatable, testable results will find incredible success. This is the year of results. We’re going to add material to support and the instructions that discusses how to extract KPI (key performance indicators) from the copy that you can empirically test your results again, inspired by what we’ve seen multiple people do here.

While we’re not going to include them with every title (those KPIs would be more generic, not applicable to everyone), we will play around with some prompts in the popular AI suites and provide guidance on how to develop them. For example, I would only start with around 10 KPIs, unique to your life circumstances. Too many and you won’t see progress through the noise. Too little and you may miss growth opportunities. I’d take every feature in a script and create a KPI linked to it and then chart growth with that. Then expand into monetary goals and the such. But it’ll be up to you.

The point of all this is measurable and provable growth, which allows an individual to make better decisions about the titles they use and the customs they make. If you’re an overthinker (and I’m speaking to everyone here), I urge you to consider going off of vibe at first. You should know if a title inherently fits you just from the copy. If it doesn’t, recognize that a draw to that title may just be an exploration of those themes that will lead to something greater later.

We’ve seen this in action, people running Wanted Black and then realizing that Wanted: Dream Boy fits them better – and this has also happened in reverse. People using WDB and then realizing that WB is their vibe.

That isn’t wasted time. You’ve explored parts of your life, your mind, how you relate to romance and came closer to finding your own Zero Point. And this can be empirically tracked as well. So ultimately, with Zero Point Union, concepts like density and the such (while I know it appeals to the min / maxers here – who we appreciate) become less important – and what becomes more important is the journey itself, especially if one adopts the mentality that there are ā€œno wasted opportunitiesā€ when choosing a title.

Rambled a bit, but:

1: Yes. That would fit what I was talking about. Complementary is fine. We’re trying to caution against kitchensink customs, trying to cover too much material at once. They will still work, but results will take longer to emerge.

  1. Emperor C&C and the adaptive scripting does alleviate this quite a bit, but I would still use caution as there’s only 2 titles with adaptive scripting, and while we are confident in how effective it is, we are still unsure of how it would perform if you make a kitchensink custom.

  2. Again – it’s about your ability to express this. If you’ve read the copy, reviews and experiences and are confident that fits you, go ahead. If not, test them in a Major Title stack first to see how it feels.

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I am stacking a 3 core custom alongside a second 3 core custom and its working like magic i do 6 mins of each every other day. Perhaps i am the exception to the rule LOL. I am not advising to do what i am doing though.

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