Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25]

My understanding is that you get recon at 3 min, you reduce exposure to 1min until that initial recon from 3min settles and integrates. Then you try 3 min again, repeat as many times as necessary

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You can try anything between 1 minute and 3 minutes when you increase exposure again, depending on your own intuition and experience. I will put more guidance on this in the instruction manual shortly.

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It’s a different build. Same script. Different rates of information delivery. Other minor changes, but the script content is the same.

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And if there is no feeling of recon at all?

Asking for a friend.

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It says in the manual

ā€ā€¦ noting at which exposure tier reconciliation occurs and staying at that listening exposure until reconciliation is no longer discernible during a rest day, you would increase exposure to the next interval.ā€

Of course use common sense and trust your intuition.

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well this phrase does seem like a contradiction to the example:

  • Day 1: Listening (15 seconds)
  • Day 2: No reconciliation discernible.
  • Day 3: Listening (30 seconds)
  • Day 4: No reconciliation discernible.
  • Day 5: Listening (1 minute)
  • Day 6: No reconciliation discernible.
  • Day 7: Listening (3 minutes)
  • Day 8: Experienced reconciliation.
  • Day 9: Listening (1 minute*)

Like, when I read that phrase, I’d think that it would mean staying at 3min until no recon

This section also says reduce exposure rather than ā€œstay at that listening exposureā€:

a bit confusing to me honestly

If one has already run their sub for over a year, would they get better results with something like T Squared or QTKS if recon is not an issue? @SaintSovereign

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This a treasure trove, thank you!

Yeah, I was under the assumption he read the whole thing.

The context for me was

If going up and feeling exposure, go down and stay there until the recon is low.

The common sense is, lower exposure, take longer rest days etc which only you can really feel the need for

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@SaintSovereign what happened to the micro loop wid increment 3 titles on the same day listening pattern that u recommended in the past?

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I’d say it depends on the recon.
If it’s endurable, like just some slight headache after listening or minimal irritability the next day, I’d say, stay at that exact level of exposure. Until the recon is gone.
Only if the recon is too strong I’d reduce listening time.

Recon isn’t your enemy. He doesn’t have to be avoided at all costs.

Absolutely :+1: I agree. I think it’s written or was recommended before that it’s about a balance between recon and results, and that balance is up to you.

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I believe there will always be ā€œreconā€, no matter how low you go in exposure. It’s just a part of change.

Even if you stay at 10s for half a year, you’ll still get recon. You’re still changing, you’re still reconciling with the process of progressing.

The problem is when it’s too much and becomes something that negatively affects you.

Slow, gentle progression can be, if not, as powerful as finding the ā€œmost optimalā€ highest point of your sweet spot.

From my experience, it’s almost as strong, but also significantly more consistent as I don’t have have to deal with shits going south because I failed to notice some recon until after the fact.

It’s also easier to deal with present recon as I can give more focus on solving one at a time. This spacing also allows me to go deep into every point of progress that recon presents to me, leading to more thorough resolutions than trying to move from one recon to another like hot potatoes.

Smooth progression is a viable & powerful option.

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These instructions are excellent

It goes beyond loop length and covers things like actions and manifestations too

Pretty thorough information :ok_hand:

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@SaintSovereign I want to (politely, of course) ask if you could discuss this in a little more depth? :slight_smile:
I submitted a Q&A about Terminus titles a few weeks back here, I’ve also submitted a ticket to support, and then followed up on their reply with another ticket, but I’m still pretty baffled as to the benefits of Terminus titles?

So, I get that they have a higher ā€˜information density’.
But this leaves me with two questions:

  1. But if we consider the listening protocol for a standard ZP title (custom or name-embedded), where we can listen to (e.g.) 30s, 1m, 3m, 7m, 15m loops, does that mean for a Terminus title, if it has double the information density (e.g. ā€˜instructions per second’) then the standard listening protocol above has all the times halved (and quartered for Terminus Squared)?

And if not (or even if that’s true), is that it?
Are there other things? I feel there must be, otherwise, I don’t really get what the purpose of it is.

2) Also, how has the functionality of the Terminus format, or its effectiveness or ease of use etc been altered by the latest anti-recon and adaptive scripting technology? (if at all)

And one thing I’m confident of by now is that SubClub do not make redundant tech or release things to their customer without purpose :slight_smile:

I feel I’m missing something (or some things) here, but I don’t know what! Can you help? :slight_smile:
Even if I may (or may not) be ready for a Terminus title now, at some point later, I should be, so it would be good to know :slight_smile:

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The new Instructions are to prepare for the future, as we are quickly heading into ZPU territory. The days must be offset because those titles are that powerful.

It’s probably better to go ahead and start practicing the new system, ask questions, point out where you’re confused so that I can clarify in the instructions (that’s why we soft launched them — wanted to see what’s confusing everyone). These instructions will be vital to all future titles.

In fact, with EoG: True Sell, and the RICH titles, we aren’t ā€œheading into ZPU territory,ā€ we are IN ZPU territory.

That’s why we had to slow down, write the instructions and start helping everyone get used to them.

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Still confused but im guessing this is prob proprietary info im asking about.

Either way, I am interested in trying it in future once I build a custom I love.

Curious to know what new tech or improvement you guys have in mind for ZPU.

For example, how would the new Rich line of product will expand beyond Adaptative Scripting and Anti-recon.

What changes here between C&C (which in my opinion is a major jump in terms of results) and Rich + True Sell.

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THIS. When I saw Saint’s post, I had the exact same question in mind :grinning:
Exciting times ahead, can’t wait (but I guess I’ll have to, lol) :slight_smile:

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Not at all. You use them the same exact way with more caution in recon management. I’m not going to give out exact specifics on how ZPT’s build. They are more powerful than the majority of people needs anyway and should only be used when you have mastered a title and want to extract more value.

I will add this guidance to the manual.

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