EXPERIMENTAL Microloop / ZPU Listening Instructions

[ryder004]

So for the 60 day cycles, it doesn’t matter if its a new title with newest tech or a 2023 title right?

We can still do 30 listening days/60 day total cycle ?

Or is this for new tech only

[Judoka]

Also isnt it a 59 day cycle?

1. Listen |
2. Rest |
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Washout
1.Rest
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[Risky]

I wouldn’t get too hung up on this. It’s 30 listening days for a cycle, and with the flexibility to take longer or shorter rest days in between listening days, a cycle can vary in length.

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[SaintSovereign]

@ryder004

So for the 60 day cycles, it doesn’t matter if its a new title with newest tech or a 2023 title right?

We can still do 30 listening days/60 day total cycle ?

Or is this for new tech only

You can do this with the older tech IF you are using the progressive microloop strategy. We have spread that ALL throughout the manual. Only if you are genuinely using the microloop strategy, since we’ve been doing microloops tech for quite some time now.

Anti-recon and adaptive scripting are relatively new, but the microloop build existed long before we publicly started urging people to use microloops.

[Parsifal]

@SaintSovereign

Under the progressive microloop strategy, you would listen to all three titles at the appropriate length in the same day. If that’s 30s, you’d listen to all three at 30s.

So did this change?
Because in the new official listening instructions it’s back to the old split model.

I’m doing pretty fine with my recent stack of KB1, QL1 and a Ascension+LB custom.
When recon kicked from the custom I just decrease old the overall listening time.

[SaintSovereign]

@Parsifal

So did this change?
Because in the new official listening instructions it’s back to the old split model.

I’m doing pretty fine with my recent stack of KB1, QL1 and a Ascension+LB custom.
When recon kicked from the custom I just decrease old the overall listening time.

@SaintSovereign

The new Instructions are to prepare for the future, as we are quickly heading into ZPU territory. The days must be offset because those titles are that powerful.

It’s probably better to go ahead and start practicing the new system, ask questions, point out where you’re confused so that I can clarify in the instructions (that’s why we soft launched them — wanted to see what’s confusing everyone). These instructions will be vital to all future titles.

In fact, with EoG: True Sell, and the RICH titles, we aren’t “heading into ZPU territory,” we are IN ZPU territory.

That’s why we had to slow down, write the instructions and start helping everyone get used to them.

!5char

[Forexpreneur]

@Parsifal this has been updated to prepare everyone for the upcoming releases that will be the 1st ZPU titles

Since you are listening to non ZPU titles than stick to what works for you. I had just started a new stack on Feb 1 (I added a new title to my previous 2 title stack) and was listening to all 3 at once on listening day. With this updated listening manual I thought I somehow got my information wrong, but I didn’t.

So just understand, the listening instructions are preparing us for the upcoming ZPU titles and to work out any confusion on the new listening instructions. Just keep the new listening instruction in mind if you are going to add upcoming ZPU releases to your future stack.

[gianfortuin]

@SaintSovereign when it comes to microloop listening strategy they say 15 seconds so when I listen to the new R.I.C.H ZP file with my earphones which is 15 minutes. I listen for 15 seconds then mark the time where I stopped, take the next day off after the day off I carry on from the marked time or point I stopped listen to15 seconds and so on gradually increasing the seconds as I go through the 30 day cylce if I understand correctly?

[Philemon]

you always start from the beginning when playing the sub.

[gianfortuin]

Ok thanks man much appreciated @Philemon so I can start 15 sec then after rest day attempt 30 sec etc if I feel recon I just bring it down again. So I carry on like that until I can listen to the full 15 min by the end of the 30 day cycle.

[jelly]

Yup, and ideally you don’t even need to worry about reaching the full 15 minutes. Through enough conscious action and unconscious wisdom, you may end up not needing to listen to the 15 minute mark. As long as you reach your goals, who cares about how many minutes your loop is?

[Forexpreneur]

@gianfortuin

So I carry on like that until I can listen to the full 15 min by the end of the 30 day cycle.

Everyone is different and it depends on the sub. One quote that you’ll see often from @SaintSovereign is “Less is more.” To break that down, don’t overload yourself because your results will be considerable slower than if you stuck with 30 second microloops, or whatever length is your processing flow.

I’ve been running Dragon Regen + GLM for a couple of months and I was only able to get up to 3 minutes for each. I did a washout and added EOG 1 on Feb 1 and I’m plateaued at 2 minute loops for each still. But I’m getting good results, and that’s ultimately the goal.

I tried getting all 3 to 3 minutes each and I couldn’t sleep for whatever reason and I just wasn’t getting results. As soon as I took an extra rest day and dropped all 3 down to two minutes each, bam, I was processing it all very well.

[Parsifal]

Also, some run less than a minute for over year and get crazy results.

[oloy]

@SaintSovereign @Fire am I supposed to do same length of microloop across all 3 titles? Or if I have experience wid 2 of them, I can do title A (5min), title B (5min) break day title C(15 sec)

[Forexpreneur]

@oloy

am I supposed to do same length of microloop across all 3 titles? Or if I have experience wid 2 of them, I can do title A (5min), title B (5min) break day title C(15 sec)

Looking forward to their response. I was doing 3 minutes each on Dragon Regen + GLM and did a washout then added EOG1 on Feb 1. I tried doing Dragon Regen + GLM at 2 minutes and EOG1 at 30 seconds. I had a heck of a time sleeping. I experimented around and then took an extra rest day.

I think adding the third was too much to process with the other 2 at two minutes. Dropping the time on those two down helped drastically.

[Philemon]

This is my experience and not official.

I like to keep it at the same duration on all titles so that it is easier to identify what title is causing recon. I also operate with the attitude that If a title is causing recon that is the one I need to focus on to get better results.

Unless I specifically want to work on a sub I keep it the same but if one that is less of a priority is causing recon I will reduce exposure for that title.

[Wonders]

I’m wondering the same.
Is the progression per title or global?

if we start like that:

• Day 1: Listen to Title 1 and Title 2 (15 seconds)
• Day 2: No reconciliation discernible.
• Day 3: Listen to Title 3(15 seconds)
• Day 4: No reconciliation discernible.
• Day 5: Listen to Title 1 and Title 2 (30 seconds)
• Day 6: No reconciliation discernible.
• Day 7: Listen to Title 3 (30 seconds)
• Day 8: Experienced reconciliation.

Do we then decrease all titles?

• Day 09: Listen to Title 1 and Title 2 (15 seconds)
• Day 10: Experienced reconciliation.
• Day 11: Listen to Title 3 (15 seconds)
• Day 12: Experienced reconciliation.

Do we decrease the third title and keep increasing the others?

• Day 09: Listen to Title 1 and Title 2 (1 minute)
• Day 10: Experienced reconciliation.
• Day 11: Listen to Title 3 (15 seconds)
• Day 12: Experienced reconciliation.

Or do we decrease the third title and keep the others at the same level? (that's the one I currently use)

• Day 09: Listen to Title 1 and Title 2 (30 seconds)
• Day 10: Experienced reconciliation.
• Day 11: Listen to Title 3 (15 seconds)
• Day 12: Experienced reconciliation.

If we change our stack, do the rotation instructions EXPERIMENTAL: Zero Point Stack Rotation still applies with the new listening instructions?

Stack rotation article:

When washing out for five days after a 21 day cycle (as stated in the listening guides here), you must take an additional seven days of washout / non-exposure from the title you intend on rotating. You need at least 12 days of non-exposure between the original title in your stack and the new one.

New listening instructions:

After 30 listening days, a “washout” period is required. This means after 30 days of active listening (don’t count the rest days), stop all input from subliminal audio for 5-8 days or more

So basically, we should still take one week more of washout for any title being rotated if I understand correctly?

If we do so, do we start all titles over from 15s?
Or only the title that we rotated in, keeping the others at the former listening level?
Or we drop exposure to the titles we keep to the lower tier while starting the title we rotate in at 15s?
or something else?

If the title we rotate in is one we have experience with, do we lower the exposure level from last time we used it or start from 15s?

[SaintSovereign]

@oloy

@SaintSovereign @Fire am I supposed to do same length of microloop across all 3 titles? Or if I have experience wid 2 of them, I can do title A (5min), title B (5min) break day title C(15 sec)

The microloops don’t have to be the same length. You can progress through one quicker than the other. No need for them to be synchronized. Just remember that the more titles you’re running, the greater the chance of reconciliation if you do something like 10-15 minutes of one title and microloops of the other. It’s all about recon management.

It is easier, however, to use the same exposure for all three. Think of it as using a singular custom, just spread across three titles.

[Malkuth]

@SaintSovereign

It is easier, however, to use the same exposure for all three. Think of it as using a singular custom, just spread across three titles.

The Cost of Nuance/Internal Differentiation is Complication.

In my case, I love Nuance, but I’m not the biggest fan of Complicatedness.

So, I work to find the right balance.

And often skew towards simplicity.

One question to ask is ‘How many moving parts can my system reasonably handle/accommodate?’

Don’t want to end up like this guy:

[praisetheurdtree]

So is 60 days the new standard? 60 days followed by 5-8 (or more) days of washout/integration. Because that amounts to 30 active listening days.