EXPERIMENTAL Microloop / ZPU Listening Instructions

[Adi]

Obviously I have tried all of that I have been using these Zp’s for a long time now and whenever I hit overexposure I get the worst recon you can think of which makes me completely want to stop all subliminal programming it is the most annoying thing.

I get recon about the overexposure because it has become a returning phenomena that every so often causes me the worst mental blockages and depression for a few days. Just a state none wants to be in. My entire beings gets blocked and disconnected from life. I would like to prevent this but it is just impossible it always comes every so often. I think I have it at least once a week or so. Can’t quite predict it and when it comes, how long it stays, how hard it hits is all a bit variable. But the whole thing is that it is very unhealthy and the worst experience I would like prevent and it just keeps coming even though I am doing only 30s to 60s. (30 to 60 seconds… and it hits me like an absolutely death process, to me that does not seem very balanced I think these condensed programs are only for users who have first run a more manageable power level to smoothly integrate the program first) this has just been my experience over and over after trying every possible modulation to my listening schedule. I would just like something that does not hit me like this.

Its much like drinking a vodka shot. You drink it and think you are fine, nothing is happening, then a bit later suddenly you get hit out of nowhere and are dozed for a few hours in a terribly unconscious state. To me it is really like that only when I come out of that recon/overexposure/processing does my clarity and sense of normalcy and consciousness return.

I am very lucky to not have to work in employment or I would simply have to call off because I’d be incapable to work. Just 60 seconds of a subliminal does that to me, makes me dysfunctional for a certain amount of hours or days and can come at unexpected times.

Im very patient but I am just getting a little tired of this continuous process of feeling completely exhausted and then getting hit with the worst states of recon followed by some good results where I forget about the pain of being in the overexposure states then feel a bit better again because of some results, then get hit again with the worst overexposure. Its become a pattern. I want some balance in my life and it is not happening. It is a very inconsistent rollercoaster for me and even the results are quite unpredictable and not giving me much direction.

[ryder004]

I’m running Earth/GLM with the new ZPU listening schedule with 60 day cycle.

So far so smooth. 6 listens in so far, I went

1st- 1min
2nd- 3min
3rd- 4min
4th-5min
5th-7 min
6th(today)-9 min

This might be the smoothest cycle I ran so far.

[ryder004]

You practice Kriya Yoga right?

That’s a super high voltage practice. IDK if you’re solo or have a master overseeing your progress, but gonna take a guess you doing it solo. I would suggest seek a master, you’re probably got some stuff going on under the hood that Kriya is stirring up and subs probably just add more fuel to that(from the sound of it).

[MAkh]

Hmm another option is a custom/name embed

There’s a few modules that might alter things for you such as MDFY: Freedom:

MDFY: Freedom is a module that relaxes the rate of your results and gives your subconscious more room to process. What does this mean? Rather than attempting to get your results as you would normally, there is less pressure on the subconscious to execute – resulting in a longer timeframe for results, but potentially much more profound, life-changing and natural results, as your subconscious mind will not be as constrained by your current situation and will have more time and resources to execute.

[LikeADrug]

Try lowering your listening time even more, and if needed how often you play the loops. Some here only use 5 seconds or less, in some cases as low as 1 second.

[SaintSovereign]

If you’re mixing intense spiritual practices and meditations with our titles (any well produced title, actually), they can have unexpected results. Not sure how many times I have to say this, but it’s true. In fact – the ONLY time this has been reported was from another individual (and if you’ve been here long enough, you know who I’m referring to) who was engaging in “Kundalini awakening” exercises.

In almost every situation where someone is reporting odd results, we can quickly find evidence that the individual is mixing our titles with intense spiritual energetic practices with an emphasis on ecstatic union and inner euphoria / experiences. Or, for those who don’t understand, pushing large amounts of energy through the system in an attempt to produce a state of inner ecstasy.

@Adi, you are no different. You are indeed engaging in energetic practices that are specifically designed to do the above. We already know this. We looked. By your own admission, you are engaging in a practice – Kriya Yoga – designed to bring you “into touch with a non-physical dimension that will charge and activate your energies very powerfully.”

Or here:

@Adi

I don’t think this can be from Godlike Masculinity but it has been happening to me for awhile. Feels like another spiritual awakening I’m going through.

Also my body feels different. Like a subtle energy current flows through it at all times, I feel like I am wearing it like a robe or suit, every cell feels conscious and awake like it has an intelligence of its own and that I can communicate with it. If I close my eyes I can sink into deep meditation that leaves me completely dozed,

You posted this on the GLM thread. You’re right. This isn’t Godlike Masculinity at ALL. There’s nothing in GLM that would produce this. However, intense Kriya Yoga would. You are overloading your system and then attempting to place blame squarely on Zero Point, when it is a known fact at this point that these types of energetic disciplines can overload the system if used haphazardly.

This is not a commonly reported result at all, and I’ve already stated that this “condensed title” idea is not exactly accurate, and quite frankly, I have had enough with people repeating falsities over and over as if they are true, when we are actively telling them otherwise.

There is absolutely nothing we can do to prevent side effects from mixing energetic practices with the titles in an unstable manner. If you cannot choose one or the other, then you may have to stop using our titles.

[ryder004]

I for the record want to explore Kriya in the future, but I’m gonna do 1-2 years of qi gong before.

I already had a first hand experience of frying my nervous system with a high energy practice in 2023-no thanks not doing that again.

What I learned from my mistake is you cannot just jump into high energy practices if your nervous system/psyche and energy body aren’t conditioned to handle it. Lighter energy practices(like qi gong) can condition you to get there.

I think if your psyche, nervous system and energy body can handle the high voltage practice, subs are not an issue to combine. Either way I’ll report the results in 3-4 years from now

BTW I’m talking in general here, this is not a shot at you Adi, I myself am not ready for Kriya.

[Fire]

@SaintSovereign

In almost every situation where someone is reporting odd results, we can quickly find evidence that the individual is mixing our titles with intense spiritual energetic practices with an emphasis on ecstatic union and inner euphoria / experiences. Or, for those who don’t understand, pushing large amounts of energy through the system in an attempt to produce a state of inner ecstasy.

@Adi, you are no different. You are indeed engaging in energetic practices that are specifically designed to do the above. We already know this. We looked. By your own admission, you are engaging in a practice – Kriya Yoga – designed to bring you “into touch with a non-physical dimension that will charge and activate your energies very powerfully.”

One of the core tenets that we strive to hold ourselves at Subliminal Club is simple - we are not your gurus.

But, that doesn’t mean we don’t know what we are talking about. In fact, we actively strive to achieve an extreme level of expertise in anything that is even remotely related to subliminals.

As someone who is actively teaching as an instructor under a legitimate master of internal alchemy i.e Neidan in a legitimate lineage, combined with previous many, many years of yoga and other spiritual traditions, and finally having extreme expertise in subliminal technology - this whole obsession with feeling the tingles is a massive mistake that everyone is obsessing about, and we keep having to remind people of it over and over again.

You are scorching yourself from the inside out using methods that do not seem to be completely legitimate. With legitimate methods, you should not feel scorched, tired, depressed, etc., and instead you should feel rejuvenated. This has nothing to do with subliminal usage, so please stop trying to put that onto our titles.

If you don’t believe me, think about it logically for a second. It’s actually very simple.

Spirituality is usually associated with states of a more subtle nature. And yet, 99% of people are attempting to achieve it through highly obvious and extreme states. Let’s say you wanted to become a master - are you going to continue ramping up the extreme state further and further? Adding more and more energy and bliss and currents through your body?

No, of course not. You’ll blow up. You’ll achieve what is called Kundalini psychosis. It could also be called roving fire, or a myriad of other related deviations.

A progressively more advanced practice becomes more subtle. Not more obvious. The sensitivity should increase, and you should be able to feel the more subtle energies more easily. Not be stuck at the most basic level of working with the most raw energies of the body and burning those out.

People.

This is not a game.

You might feel invincible and like you can do whatever type of practice, listen to whatever random audio you can find out there, but all of this affects your body, energy and being. You’ve found one piece of the puzzle - our subliminals. If you have the call towards spirituality - spend a couple years searching for the legitimate traditions, that will be the second piece of the puzzle.

You are not invincible - but you can grow to be if you apply wisdom properly.

[JCDenton]

@ryder004

I think if your psyche, nervous system and energy body can handle the high voltage practice, subs are not an issue to combine.

I agree on this and it is indeed possible.
However, these requirements are not met by most people.
Neither by most spiritual people, nor by most subliminal users.
Most people get overwhelmed by their energy practices alone and many subliminal users get overwhelmed by their usage of subs alone too. Combining the two is a whole next level.
One has to know in both areas what one is doing and then learn to combine the two.

Combining sub club subliminals with advanced energy practices really only works for people who have had many years of energy body development under their belts, who have additionally a strong physical nervous system, and who have also a certain level of internal mental stability. Grounding is also super important.

And even then, if these three requirements are sufficiently met, there is still an upper limit of how much you (as consciousness) can handle in terms of processing.
So even if your energy system and nervous system can process the “energy part” of something, does not automatically mean that YOU can also process the “information part” of that something in the same easy way.
You are a holistic system and things usually need to be processed on all levels and by all parts of you.

Either way, I think that most users here would be blessed by running all stages of KHAN Black for at least 2-3 years, as it will help them with “processing” regardless whether they are into energetic practices or not.

KHAN Black + conscious guidance = all the energy development practices that most here would ever need (and all of that also in safe way) (my personal opinion)

I haven’t tested the new AEON yet, currently running KHAN Black Stage 1 again…

[ryder004]

Good points.

I’m gonna start KB sometime mid 2026. I would ask how does Khan Black vibe with energy practices like qi gong, but given that both fire and saint practice qi gong themselves, it’s prob synergistic but gotta be extra vigilant on overexposure and recon.

[Adi]

I know my practices are keeping me stable, balanced, energised and balanced, in fact because of the exposure situation I got in lately I have not practiced much. Which may be the reason why I was not as bright during overexposure when I was writing this.

There is a lot of truth in whatever you both are saying (the spiritual connection to my processing issue) and after a recent consultation with a tantrik it has been verified to me that I am having a blockage in my energy field due to a previous spiritual process that was unfinished. This blockage is exactly in the head so that is why processing of information may be affected and why I am sensitive to brain pressures and whatnot. So what he said is that the kundalini is getting blocked there. My current spiritual practices are not dangerous or affecting me badly, they have been the sole the reason why my life has seen so much improvement in the past year. But I appreciate the concern.

I am quite sure the anti-reconciliation scripting hit me to focus on figuring this out. It has been a recurring issue and has caused quite a bit of frustration. I know both of you, @Fire @SaintSovereign have put a lot of time, care and effort into creating these programs and that is not always a joy to receive these reports of me or anyone else when they are struggling with something regarding the programs, so as a token of gratitude I also wish to express that I am thankful for the patience and care that has been shown despite the misunderstandings which have been there.

My only intention is to grow and resolve whatever issue is there. I can see if I keep processing in a moderate range of exposure all is fine and that I am gaining a lot of progress, and that eventually even this long-term issue will break against the currents of my momentum.

[Fractal_Explorer]

What if this stuff spontaneously occurs? I have no desire to delve into spiritual matters. I’m not chasing tingles or body sensations or energetic movement. But undoubtedly I feel things with these subs to a very sensitive degree and I’m highly attuned to what’s happening. So you’re saying that’s occuring independently of anything in the scripting? And I have to figure that out for myself?

[Fire]

@Fractal_Explorer

What if this stuff spontaneously occurs? I have no desire to delve into spiritual matters. I’m not chasing tingles or body sensations or energetic movement. But undoubtedly I feel things with these subs to a very sensitive degree and I’m highly attuned to what’s happening. So you’re saying that’s occuring independently of anything in the scripting? And I have to figure that out for myself?

Depends. This is where experience plays a part, because some sensations can be due to subliminal use, some are completely unrelated and due to different reasons. A lot of different things can cause sensations. Even something as simple as taking a hot shower can help energy move more smoothly, causing sensations.

A lot of the reports people try to say its due to subliminal use are in fact due to them doing weird things on the side - but usually all these other modalities don’t have active forums or creators, aren’t as well established, lack actual knowledge etc., so it’s easier to say it’s our titles.

For example, a lot of younger men are obsessed with the idea of Kundalini, so they blast themselves with YT Kundalini audios, push lots of energy up into their heads (causing a classic Western deviation of a filled up head), use much more advanced techniques than they should, and so on.

Why?

To get women.

Which is ridiculous that young men are burning their internal energy systems and causing deviations just to maybe get more attention.

And we are the ones who have to attempt to hammer some sense into these young men’s heads because Timmy from SuperSpiritualAscensionSubZ or SuperMegaSecretForums/Discord server can’t, won’t and doesn’t really care either way.

Extremely irresponsible, sadly.

As for subliminal related phenomena, it’s often subtle and more “mind” related rather than energy related, contrary to popular belief and the obsession with the tingles. And, most importantly, if there is anything energy related (such as aura or spiritual related titles), it has been developed extremely carefully and works with the natural system - so one doesn’t end up burning their energetic system as if they just blasted themselves with a faulty technique that looks cool.

Instead, the energy development is gradual, step by step, ensuring a powerful foundation and very thorough development.

So, in conclusion - you get massive tingles and scorching fire up your spine, you feel burned out, wired, etc., → you’re adding something else that you shouldn’t and messing yourself up.

You experience gradual improvement in your energy, daily state, sensitivity, feeling better and better → subliminal related (mostly spiritual titles).

It is a completely different quality, depth and level of development.

[Fractal_Explorer]

Thanks for insight. I would actually like more subtlety with my sub usage. It might be outside the scope of this thread but I rarely ask questions on here. Is there anything you’d specifically recommend for that? I’m already at 5 secs of exposure, I could go down to 1-2 secs but that’s pretty much the fade in on the sub audio so idk how that would work.

[Guardian]

@Fire

A progressively more advanced practice becomes more subtle. Not more obvious. The sensitivity should increase, and you should be able to feel the more subtle energies more easily. Not be stuck at the most basic level of working with the most raw energies of the body and burning those out.

I´ve noticed this with simply running Khan/KB stage 1 for a while, suddenly my customs didn´t “hit” me nearly as strongly anymore, compared to before it almost felt like “nothing is happening”, even tho I can clearly sense the processing in my brain and psyche, and how much deeper they are now able to work.

People dont understand that this addiction to feel some form of rush from modalities is essentially programming them to associate pleasure/bliss with inner resistances, it´s high level self sabotage.

[Adi]

@MAkh

Hmm another option is a custom/name embed

There’s a few modules that might alter things for you such as MDFY: Freedom:

MDFY: Freedom is a module that relaxes the rate of your results and gives your subconscious more room to process. What does this mean? Rather than attempting to get your results as you would normally, there is less pressure on the subconscious to execute – resulting in a longer timeframe for results, but potentially much more profound, life-changing and natural results, as your subconscious mind will not be as constrained by your current situation and will have more time and resources to execute.

I have been looking at this module a lot and think it would be very beneficial for me and would love to try it at some point.

[Adi]

When you wake up in the morning and you feel off, sluggish and heavy in mind and for me also like having no desire to even read the product description of the program I am listening to or read the forums at all.

Tell tale signs of overexposure right?

So when this happens to any of you is this is an instant indicator to take rest days until it wears off correct?

Like when there is a clear feeling of high mental processing.

Probably a simple and obvious question but I had these symptoms and now only during the rest days I suddenly feel the results coming back and a calmness arising from within and the mind feels more at ease with each rest day.

Before I kept going with microloops but I think it was doing me a disservice and slowly building up to overload. Rest days at important for integration and processing, these are known facts but somehow I still did not find myself taking them. Usually when I stop listening after awhile I don’t feel like listening at all because the peace of mind and serenity is just too good to let go of.

[SoulFire]

You simply need to customize your listening pattern.

Have you tried taking 2 rest days between listens instead of 1 rest day.

Or even 3 rest days between listens, or 4 rest days?

It’s not rocket science, you’re a smart guy I don’t get why you still haven’t found your sweet spot and getting surprised that rest days are essential.

[Adi]

That is kind of you to say. In theory everything is clear but during the processing and recon phases it just too often slips past my awareness apparently haha

[Viktor]

@SaintSovereign

You can, however, run sub #1 and #2 on one day, #3 the next day and then take two washout days.

If we do this before a washout, should we do 5 days still or 6?