Discussion: On the Nature of Zero Point

Love Bomb is one of the essentials, together with GLM it keeps me grounded in the truth that I am the most important thing in my life, I am the thing that deserves the most care and attention in my life, everything else in my life is taken care of perfectly when I come first in my life.

I am the one creating my experience and responsible for it, so it only makes sense that if I want my experience to be good to me in every way I have to be good to me in every way.

Going up the stream of projected illusions back into the Self where experience originates.

Redirecting love to its source.

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I really want to add Love Bomb to GLM. Think the self love is what I’ve been missing from most of my life

Thanks for that suggestion. Lets see if I can take on that stack of both of my Customs GLM+RoS and Lovebomb+KB4)…that would be one hell of a become your truest self stack :mage: :cyclone: :upside_down_face:

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That’s similar to what I would run if I could make customs without modules.

My dream stack : LB GLM RoS RoD + KB as occasional booster

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Reposting:
Our body is the other pole of Zero Point if one views the body and mind as separate systems.

In fact, they form a single “system,” and we need to “update” not only its “mental files” but also the corresponding “somatic files” to ensure it works smoothly.

I believe the NEW WANTED is the first crucial step towards the “proper updating”.

I feel it so much…


What I mean is that, apart from shifting our mental and behavioral patterns, the corresponding somatic structures also need to shift—mainly by unknotting the tension in the associated muscles and releasing the trauma stored in the body’s memory within those areas.

“Eastern Body, Western Mind” provides a useful roadmap, even though it’s quite simplistic and requires more specific research regarding the correspondences I mentioned.
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The book says:

What blocks a chakra? Childhood traumas, cultural conditioning, limited
belief systems, restrictive or exhausting habits, physical and emotional injuries, or even just lack of attention all contribute to chakra blockage. Difficulties abound in life, and for each one, we develop a coping strategy. When difficulties persist, these coping strategies become chronic patterns, anchored in the body and psyche as defense structures .
Eventually these defenses create holding patterns in our musculature that
restrict the free flow of energy, even when real threats cease to exist . This
chronic tension is known as body armor . It effects our posture, breathing,
metabolism, and our emotional states, as well as our perceptions, interpretations, and belief systems. Obviously, since the body-mind system is so affected, we see manifestations in our relationships, work, creativity, and belief systems—all of which tend to perpetuate the pattern.

I understand the so-called “chakras” as the main gateways through which our system both receives and emits “data” (in the form of energy or vibration, as I see it), and also as transmitters that exchange this “data” among themselves.


The rewiring has been proven by Standford:
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so I don’t see any issue apart from doing really solid research.


Adding some more experiences on WANTED by Joa23:

I’m having similar sensations within my system right now thanks to WANTED.

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I am also currently on working on that “bridge” between the mind and the body. To strengthen/unblock/create those channels where physical shifting or influencing the body with the mind starts to be a possibility.

This is the main reason I work with shamanic medicines. To create those bridges and am able to infouence the body from the mind or to make this combination spirit/soul/body more coherent.

This is all what yoga is about i guess.

I am having thosenintense bodily sensations currently aswell from KB/LB/RoS. Some days i have a somatic release where i need to lie down for an hour because heat waves go through my body.
That new physical shifting technology aounds amazing.

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Well, because of my most recent experiences and insights, I don’t believe there’s anything to bridge, as the mind–body division is illusory. What we call the “mind” is merely a functional “illusion”—a law of operation rather than an entity—that serves the whole system (what we call the “body”) as its operator. It updates itself in real time and instructs the system to make optimal adjustments within itself based on the most relevant data.

The data is received, processed, stored, and executed through two channels: supraliminal and subliminal. The threshold between these channels—the heart of the operator, what we call Zero Point, I believe—is nothing more than the inborn need and ability to make sense of (decode) all available data. This threshold determines whether information remains subliminal (subconscious) or is decoded into supraliminal (conscious) in order to serve the overall functionality of the system.

What we’re doing at SC is delivering more data to the operator in order to advance the whole system (aka body–mind system) functioning.


I believe that Zero Point is a data decoder->filter and transmitter in its relationship to the “objective world,” decoding filtering the most relevant data—meaning the data it deems useful for the survival and thriving of the whole system, as this is its main goal—coming from that world. It also transmits the most relevant data back to it through subliminal and supraliminal communication, although I have no thoughts on how the “objective world” decodes the data coming from our system, likely filtered by Zero Point.

It also serves as an adapter between the subliminal and supraliminal data already stored within the whole system (i.e., the body–mind system). Therefore, the division between the so-called subconscious and conscious is a functional “illusion” as well, as they are not separate entities but rather expressions of the underlying laws governing the operation of our whole system.


Although I have no idea how the tech at SC works (I mean its mechanics, not how it affects the whole system I AM—which I am only partially aware of and even less capable of expressing), I’m currently working on a theory that could perhaps be applied to the Zero Point tech, making the transformation it enables smoother and more effective.

I believe it boils down to delivering data to our Zero Point, which would then be decoded and filtered as what I call “adaptive data of the highest priority.” This data would instruct the whole system to make the desired changes, as these are now of the highest importance for fulfilling its main purpose—survival and thriving.

On the other hand, it is also about delivering data to our Zero Point that would be decoded and filtered as what I call “counter-disadaptive data of the highest priority.” This data would instruct the whole system to dissolve undesired structures and patterns, as this too is of the highest importance for fulfilling its main purpose—survival and thriving.

Everything I’ve just written is simply my Zero Point trying to make sense of what I’m experiencing. Therefore, I ask forgiveness from anyone who got a headache from it.

Peace, guys.

When we are looking at how Zero Point “works,” most are still looking in the wrong direction. We do not include the word “chakra” in our titles, nor would we target any specific conceptual energy center, since everyone responds differently. Attempting to do so would be imposing a level of control that would inevitably lead to more recon and possibly issues with the energetic system itself.

For our needs, it is far more effective to allow the individual’s body to respond the way it needs – and that means the content of the script actually avoids control, which allows the individual to simply process and subsequently take conscious action toward their ideal direction.

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A functional paradigm rather than an anatomical one.

Just engineer a fantastic life-experience and leave the librarians to sort out where to stick it on the shelf.

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100%, I used the word “chakra” only as a conceptual aid to get my point across, since there are certain qualities of our whole system that correspond to that concept.

I couln’t agree more.

What I emhasized in bold specifically refers to the only duality within our whole system (reaction vs. response—adaptation vs. free will), which I believe is purely functional, though limited by our anatomy. This belief is based on certain experiences I had when I unintentionally raised the energy levels in my body to quite high levels.

I believe that at some point I gained temporary access to what is called our reptilian brain, which is responsible for survival. I was able to activate it at will, becoming so physically strong that a group of people could barely contain me. It wasn’t a reaction to danger—I consciously chose to let that part of me act.

Another experience was healing a boil on my coccyx shortly after the doctor said surgery would be necessary because it had grown quite prominent. I fasted for three days, and my body consumed it due to the enormous energy expenditure and, therefore, the demand for it.

I believe that increasing our system’s energy levels in a way that doesn’t compromise it helps us shift further from reaction mode toward response mode, giving us greater sovereignty over the whole system. This, I believe, would greatly support the advancement of our potential.

Perhaps for that reason, many people try to awaken their kundalini or turn to other modalities. However, as we know from the case of the Zero Point audio, this shift can be achieved fairly easily and safely. From there, it becomes a matter of attaining higher levels of sovereignty over our whole system—something I believe we are collectively moving toward on the Road to Union.

Yes, I would never try to bother the librarians. They know their shit.

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Understood.

To aid you with your ideas (and everyone else), I’d recommend directing your attention at the early anti-recon scripting results and take a close look at the early results of HERO: TLTB.

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I haven’t become fully familiar with HERO: TLB yet—I just read a tiny bit of the description (Earth) and scanned it to get a general idea, which was that it’s a “hard-core alchemical title” (the four elements). However, I’m going to explore it further since I feel it may be strongly aligned with the work I’m currently doing.


This is just another instance where it seems my whole system uncovers pieces of information within itself, lets them surface and be processed consciously, then picks up on their new configuration—created with intent to act upon—and guides me through relevant experiences that help me integrate this configuration. This, in turn, seems to heal my whole system and enable it to execute the scripting on higher levels—whether it’s shadow work, natural (not practiced but carried out by my whole system) energy work, or taking proper action.

I guess this is the newest anti-recon tech at work, amplified by WANTED (I’m currently running WANTED, GLM, and QL4).

I see more and more people reporting the pattern I just described above, which is:

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There are many more than that. Many.

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I followed through, and Earth seems to be addressing the most important missing links in my entire system.

It seems that the theory I had in the past about missing links was relevant, even though it focused on psychology, belief systems, and behavior only. Now, however, I’ve concluded that our missing links exist within our whole system and are psychosomatic in nature.

Those missing links are nothing else but missing ‘psychosomatic data’—missing in the sense that this data is required to make relevant changes within our whole system, enabling it to bring about the desired shifts in our reality.

The whole system is repairing and bridging the missing links within itself in order to function in alignment with the data we’re providing it with—the scripting, in this case—while integrating it with the relevant psychosomatic data already stored in the system.

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Is this why people I know and even some people who I barely know act very odd when running subclub?

I’ve noticed a lot of testing, challenging, friction and dislike from coworkers, some family and even random strangers that know nothing about me, its just my presence

@SaintSovereign

I’ve been reading stuff on the WDB thread (and others) about authenticity, and the scripting around that sounds very appealing.

But then I also get to thinking about the fact that people can (and do) change.
And that who I am deep inside, perhaps even underneath all the limiting beliefs and so on (as per the Zero Point topic here), might be someone I’m not content to be.

For example, I might naturally - even without external influences - be someone who is just not aggressive or competitive at all. But I might feel that the occasional burst of healthily-channeled aggression or competitiveness could be something that would actually be beneficial for me (for example in martial arts or sports).

Like I may believe I have the potential to be better (and different) and that through changing my thinking and habits and views, I can kind of ‘evolve’ into a somewhat different self.

Which then got me a bit confused.
What does ‘authenticity’ mean in this context?
And how do I interpret or apply this in the context of the Zero Point?

And if the answer is that the Zero Point represents my ‘true’ self, “free from external scripts and imposed limitations” how do I approach the goal of figuring out who/what is my authentic self?

Since for any number of characteristics in my personality/beliefs etc, I could say "well, I’m only that way because of X happening to me as a child (or in adulthood). And I’d note that quite a few of those characteristics could be things that appear positive on the surface, like being unselfish or not trying to grab the limelight, but actually may come from a place of woundedness or self-protection.

Some things are obviously the result of trauma, bullying, abuse, bad choices and so on.
But yeah, my mind is swirling right now as I try to process all this :slight_smile:

I just sense that understanding the Zero Point concept, AND knowing how to interpret and apply it, is going to be a big factor in how successful my use of subs will be.
So I just want to try to get some clarity on these confusions :slight_smile:

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I was curious about the answer to this, so I asked Claude to see what it’d come up with:


Claude's Answer

This is an excellent question that cuts right to the heart of one of the deepest philosophical tensions in personal development.

The confusion they’re experiencing is actually pointing at something important: the Zero Point isn’t a destination, it’s a launchpad.

The Real Distinction

Inauthentic conditioning: “I avoid competition because I was punished/shamed for trying and now I unconsciously believe competing = danger”

Authentic preference + conscious choice: “I naturally lean collaborative, but I recognize developing competitive skills would serve my martial arts goals, so I’m choosing to cultivate that capacity”

The difference isn’t about what traits you have - it’s about whether you’re making conscious choices or being puppeted by unconscious scripts.

What Zero Point Actually Means

Think of it like clearing malware from your operating system. You’re not trying to discover “the one true program you should run forever.” You’re removing the shit that’s running without your permission so you can consciously choose what to install.

Someone’s authentic self at Zero Point might indeed be naturally non-aggressive. But that’s different from being non-aggressive because they have a trauma-based belief that “aggression = I’ll be abandoned” running in the background.

From Zero Point, they can authentically choose to develop aggression for specific contexts while remaining fundamentally non-aggressive. That’s evolution, not betrayal of self.

The Practical Answer

“How do I know what’s authentic vs conditioned?”

Ask: "If I had zero fear of consequences, what would I choose?"

  • Avoiding competition because you genuinely prefer cooperation? Authentic.
  • Avoiding competition because you’re terrified of losing? Conditioning.

The Key Insight

They don’t need to “figure out their authentic self” completely before using subs or making changes. That’s actually backwards.

They use subs to clear the noise (fear, shame, trauma responses) and their authentic preferences will naturally become clearer through that process. Zero Point removes the interference so they can hear their own signal.

Once at Zero Point, developing traits that don’t come naturally (like competitiveness) isn’t inauthentic - it’s conscious skill-building rather than unconscious programming. That’s the entire point.

The authenticity isn’t about “never changing from who you naturally are” - it’s about choosing your changes consciously rather than having them imposed by trauma, fear, or external conditioning.

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I would agree with this statement.

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In this context, that explains the reason why I got so severe recon from my first WDB loop, i.e. because the sub was removing everything that has kept me away from my own Zero Point perspective, the POV at which I am my most authentic self.
I.e. WDB was first “clearing the noise”, as you said, before trying to rebuild the new WDB archetype as my most authentic version.

Which also explains why this recon felt very similar to the one I get on Total Breakdown.
The recon happens because the sub reveals to me how my personal versions of “WDB” or “KHAN” look like from my own Zero Point perspective, and then everything that is not aligned with that perspective is being worked upon and removed.

That means recon happens because of 2 main reasons:

  1. My subconscious mind was holding on to old beliefs that do not align with my Zero Point POV,

  2. and, my conscious mind was resisting to simply look at things from my Zero Point POV.

So, if my understanding is correct, this then means that what all the revelation titles do, is basically me, at my most authentic self point, at my Zero Point, is me looking outwards at everything else, without filters, and then feeding that information back to my conscious mind as unbiased revelations and realizations.

Since, at my true Zero Point, I am an unlimited piece of consciousness, this explains why the revelations from Revelation of Spirit will never stop and only get more and more profound over time. Because with RoS, I am looking from own “infinite soul Zero Point” at creation itself and then trying to make sense of it.

That means, everytime I am making the conscious effort, to look at things from my own Zero Point perspective, I can increase my personal Flow Factor!
I.e. doing my best to look at things from the POV of the Zero Point.
Without ego, without cognitive biases, without outward projections.

I think I am beginning to better understand what “you are the Zero Point” actually means.
Since I am nothing else but consciousness that observes, it means that the Zero Point is the POV of this observer.
The true unfiltered POV of me as the observer.

That means Zero Point is not something I am.
Zero Point is a perspective.
The POV of my soul.
My own true perspective.
The true perspective of my consciousness, soul and being.
Being at Zero Point, means the process of observing reality from my consciousness’s unfilitered perspective.

Which means, since there are 2 main reasons for recon as mentioned above, that the subconscious mind is a stabilizing structure for my conscious mind, that helps creating a coherent and stable observation process of reality. Since the conscious mind is constantly wandering around and switching its perspective, the subconscious mind takes on the task of providing a stable background perspective that stabilizes the observed reality into existence based on accumulated beliefs and assumptions about reality.
If the subconscious mind would not stabilize my conscious mind’s perceived reality, I would not be able to participate in that shared reality here (i.e. the shared reality like this Universe for example, that souls share to grow together).
This also explains how the collective unconscious works, i.e. as a collective stabiliting force so that different pieces of consciousness can experience the same shared reality. Without this background collective stabilitation, each piece of consciousness would simply be constantly lost in their own personal day dreams.

That means, my conscious and my subconscious mind are not opposing dualities, but two different streams of perception, emanating from my Zero Point at the same time. They are basically two perception vectors emanating from my true self:
The subconscious mind acts as the “stabilizer” and holds on to certain beliefs and assumptions about how that stabilized perception of reality shall happen.
And the conscious mind acts as the “chooser” and “experiencer” perspective.

TLDR:
My experienced reality is not “how I am inside”.
But how the total sum of my perspective vectors makes it to be.

And increasing the Flow Factor means, doing the conscious effort the make the red line shorter, i.e. moving the conscious perspective vector into the direction of the subsconscious mind’s perspective vector.

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