Discussion: On the Nature of Zero Point

[Joa23]

@SaintSovereign

this is why we focus so much on resilience scripting. The ability to stand firm in your own truth against outdated collective structures and idea

I was ready to complain about resilience scripting not working on me yet, but then it made sense, it is working full force, it just doesnt feel good yet to be standing on my own truth, because it feels lonely, but isn’t that the point of resilience, to move forwards with your truth even if no one seems to understand.

Eventually I will feel good, now its the shedding that feels awkward.

[Tomcat]

I like this approach.

It feels more authentic and ecological to me.

Centred, composed, able to withstand world/collective (both internal/external) stimuluses.

[Sub.Zero]

Perhaps, apart from (re)discovering one’s own unique genius and being resilient in its expression (which the anti-recon strongly supports), it is also essential to recapture the natural boldness we seem to lose as children due to societal norms and the limitations imposed on us—forcing us to suppress our natural proclivities and potential in order to conform, basically by inculcating in us the fear of transgressing them.

That daring spirit lies dormant, secretly craving to be unleashed, yet now enriched by collective wisdom, life experience, self-knowledge and self-mastery. Within that spirit there is no shame or guilt, but rather faith, hope, and love that know no bounds, along with a growing sense of responsibility for humanity that transcends the morality of the weak.

Free spirits float beyond good and evil, for real love for humanity needs no commandments, and they constantly overcome themselves, perfecting what was given to them—for they know that’s the only thing they truly own.

[SoulFire]

Many people seem to misunderstand the fact that subliminal input doesn’t stay in the subconscious, but vanishes the moment the track stop playing, and the fact that whatever processes and results ensues is merely the individual’s personal reaction to what they heard.

I think it’s a useful reminder for anyone getting good results but not taking enough credit for it or paradoxically for those that don’t get results and forget their responsibility.

I know there’s a masterclass that maybe adresses that but I think this is such a common trap that it may be worth mentioning in the instructions or on sales pages.

[Guardian]

A simple but very important take.

It matches the way I experience these subliminals as well; instead of

“X gave me this, made me do that, manifested this”

it´s rather

“X triggers this belief/circumstance/dynamic that used to serve it´s purpose but now it becomes hindering, I´d like to let it go to become more of what I already am…oh look, me, my perception and environment are changing”

[Malkuth]

@SoulFire

Many people seem to misunderstand the fact that subliminal input doesn’t stay in the subconscious, but vanishes the moment the track stop playing, and the fact that whatever processes and results ensues is merely the individual’s personal reaction to what they heard.

There’s a lot of room for interpretation here.

It’s not a very cut-and-dry phenomenon.

But, the first part of your sentence is saying something a bit different from the second half.

First Half:

1. The subliminal input doesn’t ‘stay in the subconscious’, but ‘vanishes the moment the track stops playing’.

True in one sense; Not true in another sense.

The literal original stimulus has stopped. But the mind’s memory capacity preserves, to some degree, the wave form, or form, of the messages and information.

This is a little bit complicated. But it’s analogous to the phenomenon of Transduction.

The wave form continues to propagate even as the substance or medium through which it travels changes.

Second Half:

2. Whatever processes and results ensue are merely the individual’s personal reaction to what they heard.

This part is true whether or not we completely agree with the first half.

And this is, I think, the main point.

Your interpretations, your responses, your reactions are of primary importance. No matter what.

[SoulFire]

It’s like having a conversation that resonates deeply, stays with you for a little while and helps you reflect and make changes but eventually the content of the conversation is forgotten and only the changes you have made based on that conversation is left.

My main point being that whatever you do after taking a course or hearing a life changing advice is 100% your own achievement or lack thereof.

@Malkuth

But the mind’s memory capacity preserves, to some degree, the wave form, or form, of the messages and information.

I agree and my point is in the keywords ‘to some degree’.

Debunking the idea that the script stays rigidly in your brain as if you inserted a disk.

The subconscious is a dynamic malleable system, very different from a computer which some users tend to think about this way.

Which feeds the mistaken thinking that subs do it for you because you input a program in your brain.

[MechaShaman]

Wow. This is exactly what I feel like. Fighting the “field”. Thats projecting soemthing onto me.

Beautiful how you say that GLM is great to go there…maybe ill give it a go.

Today i experienced the Zero point. The place where “I” origin from. The place where my authentic impulses arise from. Not from my mind. Not stored as automatic patterns in my nervous system…but true authenticity.

[Sub.Zero]

Just reposting it, as it’s an important expansion of our discussion:

@SaintSovereign

The nature of Zero Point and by extension, the forum is self-realization and self-actualization. It is not the responsibility of anyone (including myself and @Fire) to psychoanalyze others without their clear permission, or being invited to do so. And even then, I would probably refuse or limit my answer to how the script seems to be reflecting in the life experiences that the person has posted. I often refer to my own experiences with that same issue, to let individual know that I am not judging them, but my own actions and hopefully they can gain some kind of insight from my experience.

Why? Because again, the name of the game here is self-driven inner work. Considering the fact that the majority of our products – and especially the most well used titles – all involve scripting that guides the user from blindingly accepting external authority, and instead, helping them develop their own inner authority, I am surprised that you are growing frustrated at people’s responses to you.

If someone wants to “embrace the chaos” in their life, that is their right to do so. Again, perhaps it is because @Fire and myself have trained ourselves to view the world in terms of patterns and archetypes, so when I hear “embrace the chaos,” what I think is: they are attempting to release control of that which cannot be controlled, and paradoxical to their external statement, they are actually embracing metaphysical surrender.

And yet, very rarely do we actually externalize this or tell the individual directly without being invited to do so first. Why? Because again, since we have created titles to help individuals reject forceful external authority, we would open ourselves up to the same frustrations if we did.

Within this context, I do not need to become frustrated at what anyone says. And so, we simply observe. Allow the person to work through their own issues, since that’s what Zero Point asks for in the first place.

I have not read all the posts in question above, and you could potentially be absolutely correct about their hidden pattern, but the individual must be allowed to come to their own conclusions, regardless of how long that may take. It is part of their own healing and growth process and everyone is different.

But you put me in a very precarious situation. Because I will admit that you do seem to have a rather penetrating inner gaze, but you are being far too forceful with it. Regardless of accuracy, not everyone is ready to have their inner patterns exposed, and even more important – you could actually be harming their results by doing so. There is a reason why the NSE is so soft, why we are pushing for anti-recon scripting. Many people here are resistant to external force by nature, hence why they are drawn to the strange, yet interesting concept of subliminal audio. It’s paradoxical in nature, since you’re looking at a situation where people who reject authority must then work with an “external authority” (philosophically) in the form of a subliminal audio file that suggests ideas that they may not agree with.

And that tension between the inner and the outer is actually what produces the results. But if that script is not perfectly calibrated, what you would see is exactly what you see here – people outright rejecting it. You experienced this yourself during the Zero Point tests. The build that were too powerful, you simply rejected – quite forcefully, if I remember correctly. It is no different when dealing with people. Too much force, equal amounts of rejection.

Thanks.

[Sub.Zero]

@SaintSovereign

We have long stated that we believe what is being called “conscious” and “subconscious” are actually a unified whole that reflect each other rather than one being more “dominant” than the other. When a person picks up a sword to fight, the sword itself becomes an extension of the body, the entire body becomes both the weapon and its wielder.

And from this perspective, using subliminal audio in a highly transformative manner becomes possible, because the individual can understand that the true nature of the mind – if forced to express this in a polarized manner – is subconscious impulse and conscious direction. Yes, beings rooted in a seemingly dualistic, polarized universe (male and female, hot and cold, etc.), we seem to experience the relationship between conscious and subconscious within that duality (an inner voice speaks to me), and many people often treat the subconscious as a separate function that does not belong to them seeing the subconscious as a function of the self that’s “higher in authority.” And I personally think that comes from a misinterpretation of what Jung said about controlling the subconscious, lest strange things will happen and you’ll call it fate (paraphrasing).

I believe he was referring to awareness and become aware of the role of the subconscious mind, not that the subconscious is inherently more powerful than the conscious mind. After all, one can ideate and imagine all they want, but without conscious action – or the workings of the conscious mind, those subconscious ideas can never come to fruition. It is the union between both that produces results, where the subconscious impulses are consciously guided toward a different outcome, which produces a change within the consciousness of the individual, the Zero Point.

What is fascinating is the function language has in the whole system, especially in subliminal audio—crossing the “filter” (the threshold), becoming subliminal data, and interacting with the subliminal data that is already “there,” to the point where it causes psychological (mental content and behavior), energetic, and even physiological (physical shifting) changes.

Language has a special role in transferring data (through both supraliminal and subliminal channels), and I believe it also has great potential when it comes to interacting with the universe.

I don’t mean philosophy and science alone (since language is a tool for describing the universe), but I also believe it can communicate with the universe in some way. Prayers and spells/curses, which seem to have had an effect on the “universe,” are a great example—though many people would snap their fingers at them.