Discussion: On the Nature of Zero Point

[Malkuth]

@SoulFire

Many people seem to misunderstand the fact that subliminal input doesn’t stay in the subconscious, but vanishes the moment the track stop playing, and the fact that whatever processes and results ensues is merely the individual’s personal reaction to what they heard.

There’s a lot of room for interpretation here.

It’s not a very cut-and-dry phenomenon.

But, the first part of your sentence is saying something a bit different from the second half.

First Half:

1. The subliminal input doesn’t ‘stay in the subconscious’, but ‘vanishes the moment the track stops playing’.

True in one sense; Not true in another sense.

The literal original stimulus has stopped. But the mind’s memory capacity preserves, to some degree, the wave form, or form, of the messages and information.

This is a little bit complicated. But it’s analogous to the phenomenon of Transduction.

The wave form continues to propagate even as the substance or medium through which it travels changes.

Second Half:

2. Whatever processes and results ensue are merely the individual’s personal reaction to what they heard.

This part is true whether or not we completely agree with the first half.

And this is, I think, the main point.

Your interpretations, your responses, your reactions are of primary importance. No matter what.

[SoulFire]

It’s like having a conversation that resonates deeply, stays with you for a little while and helps you reflect and make changes but eventually the content of the conversation is forgotten and only the changes you have made based on that conversation is left.

My main point being that whatever you do after taking a course or hearing a life changing advice is 100% your own achievement or lack thereof.

@Malkuth

But the mind’s memory capacity preserves, to some degree, the wave form, or form, of the messages and information.

I agree and my point is in the keywords ‘to some degree’.

Debunking the idea that the script stays rigidly in your brain as if you inserted a disk.

The subconscious is a dynamic malleable system, very different from a computer which some users tend to think about this way.

Which feeds the mistaken thinking that subs do it for you because you input a program in your brain.

[MechaShaman]

Wow. This is exactly what I feel like. Fighting the “field”. Thats projecting soemthing onto me.

Beautiful how you say that GLM is great to go there…maybe ill give it a go.

Today i experienced the Zero point. The place where “I” origin from. The place where my authentic impulses arise from. Not from my mind. Not stored as automatic patterns in my nervous system…but true authenticity.

[Sub.Zero]

Just reposting it, as it’s an important expansion of our discussion:

@SaintSovereign

The nature of Zero Point and by extension, the forum is self-realization and self-actualization. It is not the responsibility of anyone (including myself and @Fire) to psychoanalyze others without their clear permission, or being invited to do so. And even then, I would probably refuse or limit my answer to how the script seems to be reflecting in the life experiences that the person has posted. I often refer to my own experiences with that same issue, to let individual know that I am not judging them, but my own actions and hopefully they can gain some kind of insight from my experience.

Why? Because again, the name of the game here is self-driven inner work. Considering the fact that the majority of our products – and especially the most well used titles – all involve scripting that guides the user from blindingly accepting external authority, and instead, helping them develop their own inner authority, I am surprised that you are growing frustrated at people’s responses to you.

If someone wants to “embrace the chaos” in their life, that is their right to do so. Again, perhaps it is because @Fire and myself have trained ourselves to view the world in terms of patterns and archetypes, so when I hear “embrace the chaos,” what I think is: they are attempting to release control of that which cannot be controlled, and paradoxical to their external statement, they are actually embracing metaphysical surrender.

And yet, very rarely do we actually externalize this or tell the individual directly without being invited to do so first. Why? Because again, since we have created titles to help individuals reject forceful external authority, we would open ourselves up to the same frustrations if we did.

Within this context, I do not need to become frustrated at what anyone says. And so, we simply observe. Allow the person to work through their own issues, since that’s what Zero Point asks for in the first place.

I have not read all the posts in question above, and you could potentially be absolutely correct about their hidden pattern, but the individual must be allowed to come to their own conclusions, regardless of how long that may take. It is part of their own healing and growth process and everyone is different.

But you put me in a very precarious situation. Because I will admit that you do seem to have a rather penetrating inner gaze, but you are being far too forceful with it. Regardless of accuracy, not everyone is ready to have their inner patterns exposed, and even more important – you could actually be harming their results by doing so. There is a reason why the NSE is so soft, why we are pushing for anti-recon scripting. Many people here are resistant to external force by nature, hence why they are drawn to the strange, yet interesting concept of subliminal audio. It’s paradoxical in nature, since you’re looking at a situation where people who reject authority must then work with an “external authority” (philosophically) in the form of a subliminal audio file that suggests ideas that they may not agree with.

And that tension between the inner and the outer is actually what produces the results. But if that script is not perfectly calibrated, what you would see is exactly what you see here – people outright rejecting it. You experienced this yourself during the Zero Point tests. The build that were too powerful, you simply rejected – quite forcefully, if I remember correctly. It is no different when dealing with people. Too much force, equal amounts of rejection.

Thanks.

[Sub.Zero]

@SaintSovereign

We have long stated that we believe what is being called “conscious” and “subconscious” are actually a unified whole that reflect each other rather than one being more “dominant” than the other. When a person picks up a sword to fight, the sword itself becomes an extension of the body, the entire body becomes both the weapon and its wielder.

And from this perspective, using subliminal audio in a highly transformative manner becomes possible, because the individual can understand that the true nature of the mind – if forced to express this in a polarized manner – is subconscious impulse and conscious direction. Yes, beings rooted in a seemingly dualistic, polarized universe (male and female, hot and cold, etc.), we seem to experience the relationship between conscious and subconscious within that duality (an inner voice speaks to me), and many people often treat the subconscious as a separate function that does not belong to them seeing the subconscious as a function of the self that’s “higher in authority.” And I personally think that comes from a misinterpretation of what Jung said about controlling the subconscious, lest strange things will happen and you’ll call it fate (paraphrasing).

I believe he was referring to awareness and become aware of the role of the subconscious mind, not that the subconscious is inherently more powerful than the conscious mind. After all, one can ideate and imagine all they want, but without conscious action – or the workings of the conscious mind, those subconscious ideas can never come to fruition. It is the union between both that produces results, where the subconscious impulses are consciously guided toward a different outcome, which produces a change within the consciousness of the individual, the Zero Point.

What is fascinating is the function language has in the whole system, especially in subliminal audio—crossing the “filter” (the threshold), becoming subliminal data, and interacting with the subliminal data that is already “there,” to the point where it causes psychological (mental content and behavior), energetic, and even physiological (physical shifting) changes.

Language has a special role in transferring data (through both supraliminal and subliminal channels), and I believe it also has great potential when it comes to interacting with the universe.

I don’t mean philosophy and science alone (since language is a tool for describing the universe), but I also believe it can communicate with the universe in some way. Prayers and spells/curses, which seem to have had an effect on the “universe,” are a great example—though many people would snap their fingers at them.

[MechaShaman]

In the last some weeks, I am alligning more and more with what is here called the Zero Point. That void inside from whicht “I” (that I that is beyond conditioning present and past) is originating from. On some days it feels like I can reach back into that place and feel the realm of where “I” originate from. And there it feels like I have access to deeper layers of my being. Feeling unrelaxed? There is a button to relax. Recognizing that I feel sad, a button to feel happy. It feels like I am approaching a way deeper reality. And I want more of it
And I am wondering: What are the foundational subs to allign with that place? From What I read here, GLM is supposed to be perfect for that, and going furhter I guess RoS and RoM?

[SoulFire]

Love Bomb is one of the essentials, together with GLM it keeps me grounded in the truth that I am the most important thing in my life, I am the thing that deserves the most care and attention in my life, everything else in my life is taken care of perfectly when I come first in my life.

I am the one creating my experience and responsible for it, so it only makes sense that if I want my experience to be good to me in every way I have to be good to me in every way.

Going up the stream of projected illusions back into the Self where experience originates.

Redirecting love to its source.

[MAkh]

I really want to add Love Bomb to GLM. Think the self love is what I’ve been missing from most of my life

[MechaShaman]

Thanks for that suggestion. Lets see if I can take on that stack of both of my Customs GLM+RoS and Lovebomb+KB4)…that would be one hell of a become your truest self stack

[SoulFire]

That’s similar to what I would run if I could make customs without modules.

My dream stack : LB GLM RoS RoD + KB as occasional booster

[Sub.Zero]

Reposting:
Our body is the other pole of Zero Point if one views the body and mind as separate systems.

In fact, they form a single “system,” and we need to “update” not only its “mental files” but also the corresponding “somatic files” to ensure it works smoothly.

I believe the NEW WANTED is the first crucial step towards the “proper updating”.

I feel it so much…

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What I mean is that, apart from shifting our mental and behavioral patterns, the corresponding somatic structures also need to shift—mainly by unknotting the tension in the associated muscles and releasing the trauma stored in the body’s memory within those areas.

“Eastern Body, Western Mind” provides a useful roadmap, even though it’s quite simplistic and requires more specific research regarding the correspondences I mentioned.

The book says:

What blocks a chakra? Childhood traumas, cultural conditioning, limited
belief systems, restrictive or exhausting habits, physical and emotional injuries, or even just lack of attention all contribute to chakra blockage. Difficulties abound in life, and for each one, we develop a coping strategy. When difficulties persist, these coping strategies become chronic patterns, anchored in the body and psyche as defense structures .
Eventually these defenses create holding patterns in our musculature that
restrict the free flow of energy, even when real threats cease to exist . This
chronic tension is known as body armor . It effects our posture, breathing,
metabolism, and our emotional states, as well as our perceptions, interpretations, and belief systems. Obviously, since the body-mind system is so affected, we see manifestations in our relationships, work, creativity, and belief systems—all of which tend to perpetuate the pattern.

I understand the so-called “chakras” as the main gateways through which our system both receives and emits “data” (in the form of energy or vibration, as I see it), and also as transmitters that exchange this “data” among themselves.

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The rewiring has been proven by Standford:

so I don’t see any issue apart from doing really solid research.

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Adding some more experiences on WANTED by Joa23:

@Joa23

Its been 2 hours now and it keeps growing, the warmth in my chest expanded to my whole body in what feels like an spiral of energy surrounding my whole body, inside and outside. Lots of tingling on my skin.
A deep sense of pleasure and profound relaxation.

What seems more important for me is that it doesnt feel like a fleeting euphoric high, the kind I always loved to chase. It feels like an upgrade to the operating system, a grounded, balanced increase in pleasure and relaxation, a warmth invitation to be in my body.

Relaxation flows from the heart, feels very loving and accepting. Pleasure flows from the belly, it feels solid, as in it has reclaimed its rightful place.

Take this report with a grain of salt, its just a bunch of subjective impressions.

I’m having similar sensations within my system right now thanks to WANTED.

[MechaShaman]

I am also currently on working on that “bridge” between the mind and the body. To strengthen/unblock/create those channels where physical shifting or influencing the body with the mind starts to be a possibility.

This is the main reason I work with shamanic medicines. To create those bridges and am able to infouence the body from the mind or to make this combination spirit/soul/body more coherent.

This is all what yoga is about i guess.

I am having thosenintense bodily sensations currently aswell from KB/LB/RoS. Some days i have a somatic release where i need to lie down for an hour because heat waves go through my body.
That new physical shifting technology aounds amazing.

[Sub.Zero]

Well, because of my most recent experiences and insights, I don’t believe there’s anything to bridge, as the mind–body division is illusory. What we call the “mind” is merely a functional “illusion”—a law of operation rather than an entity—that serves the whole system (what we call the “body”) as its operator. It updates itself in real time and instructs the system to make optimal adjustments within itself based on the most relevant data.

The data is received, processed, stored, and executed through two channels: supraliminal and subliminal. The threshold between these channels—the heart of the operator, what we call Zero Point, I believe—is nothing more than the inborn need and ability to make sense of (decode) all available data. This threshold determines whether information remains subliminal (subconscious) or is decoded into supraliminal (conscious) in order to serve the overall functionality of the system.

What we’re doing at SC is delivering more data to the operator in order to advance the whole system (aka body–mind system) functioning.

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I believe that Zero Point is a data decoder->filter and transmitter in its relationship to the “objective world,” decoding filtering the most relevant data—meaning the data it deems useful for the survival and thriving of the whole system, as this is its main goal—coming from that world. It also transmits the most relevant data back to it through subliminal and supraliminal communication, although I have no thoughts on how the “objective world” decodes the data coming from our system, likely filtered by Zero Point.

It also serves as an adapter between the subliminal and supraliminal data already stored within the whole system (i.e., the body–mind system). Therefore, the division between the so-called subconscious and conscious is a functional “illusion” as well, as they are not separate entities but rather expressions of the underlying laws governing the operation of our whole system.

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Although I have no idea how the tech at SC works (I mean its mechanics, not how it affects the whole system I AM—which I am only partially aware of and even less capable of expressing), I’m currently working on a theory that could perhaps be applied to the Zero Point tech, making the transformation it enables smoother and more effective.

I believe it boils down to delivering data to our Zero Point, which would then be decoded and filtered as what I call “adaptive data of the highest priority.” This data would instruct the whole system to make the desired changes, as these are now of the highest importance for fulfilling its main purpose—survival and thriving.

On the other hand, it is also about delivering data to our Zero Point that would be decoded and filtered as what I call “counter-disadaptive data of the highest priority.” This data would instruct the whole system to dissolve undesired structures and patterns, as this too is of the highest importance for fulfilling its main purpose—survival and thriving.

Everything I’ve just written is simply my Zero Point trying to make sense of what I’m experiencing. Therefore, I ask forgiveness from anyone who got a headache from it.

Peace, guys.

[SaintSovereign]

When we are looking at how Zero Point “works,” most are still looking in the wrong direction. We do not include the word “chakra” in our titles, nor would we target any specific conceptual energy center, since everyone responds differently. Attempting to do so would be imposing a level of control that would inevitably lead to more recon and possibly issues with the energetic system itself.

For our needs, it is far more effective to allow the individual’s body to respond the way it needs – and that means the content of the script actually avoids control, which allows the individual to simply process and subsequently take conscious action toward their ideal direction.

[Malkuth]

@SaintSovereign

For our needs, it is far more effective to allow the individual’s body to respond the way it needs

A functional paradigm rather than an anatomical one.

Just engineer a fantastic life-experience and leave the librarians to sort out where to stick it on the shelf.

[Sub.Zero]

@SaintSovereign

When we are looking at how Zero Point “works,” most are still looking in the wrong direction. We do not include the word “chakra” in our titles, nor would we target any specific conceptual energy center, since everyone responds differently. Attempting to do so would be imposing a level of control that would inevitably lead to more recon and possibly issues with the energetic system itself.

100%, I used the word “chakra” only as a conceptual aid to get my point across, since there are certain qualities of our whole system that correspond to that concept.

@SaintSovereign

For our needs, it is far more effective to allow the individual’s body to respond the way it needs – and that means the content of the script actually avoids control, which allows the individual to simply process and subsequently take conscious action toward their ideal direction.

I couln’t agree more.

What I emhasized in bold specifically refers to the only duality within our whole system (reaction vs. response—adaptation vs. free will), which I believe is purely functional, though limited by our anatomy. This belief is based on certain experiences I had when I unintentionally raised the energy levels in my body to quite high levels.

I believe that at some point I gained temporary access to what is called our reptilian brain, which is responsible for survival. I was able to activate it at will, becoming so physically strong that a group of people could barely contain me. It wasn’t a reaction to danger—I consciously chose to let that part of me act.

Another experience was healing a boil on my coccyx shortly after the doctor said surgery would be necessary because it had grown quite prominent. I fasted for three days, and my body consumed it due to the enormous energy expenditure and, therefore, the demand for it.

I believe that increasing our system’s energy levels in a way that doesn’t compromise it helps us shift further from reaction mode toward response mode, giving us greater sovereignty over the whole system. This, I believe, would greatly support the advancement of our potential.

Perhaps for that reason, many people try to awaken their kundalini or turn to other modalities. However, as we know from the case of the Zero Point audio, this shift can be achieved fairly easily and safely. From there, it becomes a matter of attaining higher levels of sovereignty over our whole system—something I believe we are collectively moving toward on the Road to Union.

@Malkuth

Just engineer a fantastic life-experience and leave the librarians to sort out where to stick it on the shelf.

Yes, I would never try to bother the librarians. They know their shit.

[SaintSovereign]

@Sub.Zero

100%, I used the word “chakra” only as a conceptual aid to get my point across, since there are certain qualities of our whole system that correspond to that concept.

Understood.

To aid you with your ideas (and everyone else), I’d recommend directing your attention at the early anti-recon scripting results and take a close look at the early results of HERO: TLTB.

[Malkuth]

@Sub.Zero

Yes, I would never try to bother the librarians. They know their shit.

[Sub.Zero]

@SaintSovereign

To aid you with your ideas (and everyone else), I’d recommend directing your attention at the early anti-recon scripting results and take a close look at the early results of HERO: TLTB.

I haven’t become fully familiar with HERO: TLB yet—I just read a tiny bit of the description (Earth) and scanned it to get a general idea, which was that it’s a “hard-core alchemical title” (the four elements). However, I’m going to explore it further since I feel it may be strongly aligned with the work I’m currently doing.

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@Sub.Zero

@Sub.Zero

What’s interesting is that my somatic trauma response seems to have moved from my solar plexus higher up, and now it occurs between my heart and throat. It’s not as bad as it was before, but it’s still unpleasant. I suppose this is related to working through the blockages below and now facing another blockage in my inner flow (mental energy flow) that I need to work on.

I think it has to do with doing more shadow work (accepting and integrating it), as this is linked to the heart, and to self-expression (expressing myself more authentically), which relates to the energies at the throat. I can see how this resonates with the guide on chakras presented in Eastern Body, Western Mind

As soon as I had written this, I met a group of people and interacted with them while freely expressing both myself and my shadow (in a healthy way). I told two girls that I don’t hide—I live my authentic self even in social settings, even if I may be perceived as a bit crazy. I explained that this has a really therapeutic effect on me, whereas suppressing my authentic self can actually lead to going crazy for real. And why should I even care whether people consider me crazy, as long as I’m living my life?

When I left the group, my body felt a peculiar discomfort (although not unfamiliar to me), as if my whole system had become overloaded. My body grew tense and contracted, almost as if it were scared of what I had just behaved in the group. Then I spoke to a friend of mine and relaxed, and now the state I’m in is incredible—grounded, powerful, and full of energy.

This is just another instance where it seems my whole system uncovers pieces of information within itself, lets them surface and be processed consciously, then picks up on their new configuration—created with intent to act upon—and guides me through relevant experiences that help me integrate this configuration. This, in turn, seems to heal my whole system and enable it to execute the scripting on higher levels—whether it’s shadow work, natural (not practiced but carried out by my whole system) energy work, or taking proper action.

I guess this is the newest anti-recon tech at work, amplified by WANTED (I’m currently running WANTED, GLM, and QL4).

[Sub.Zero]

@SaintSovereign

This is the cycle: inner awareness expressed outward, and outward experience integrated inward.

Right…