Today is my 6-year anniversary at Sub Club- wow, time flies.
I was 32 when I started here. Turned 38 this month. What a journey.
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Thank you for the support all these years. We all may not see eye-to-eye all the time, but we greatly appreciate your input and contributions throughout the years.
To your success!
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Man’s about to become the famed soul snatcher😂
The type only discussed in the legends
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well that looks crazy good
didn’t know 5 modules total would go through 
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Khan has always been one of my favorite subs when not in recon
Yes, on Khan I act with more discipline and effortless action than any other sub- and something kicks in where my mind is super clear and thinking well and I just accomplish what I need. It feels inevitable. I’m a finisher, a closer, a conquerer, landing the plane is the point and if I don’t I question and dissolve what’s there until I do. It also has me feel the strength and capability to do and try things I might not have even seen before. It helps me go after what I want stronger than any other sub so far. I’m somebody who operates really well going after things.
I have run HOM/ C&C, and Stark Black for over 2 years though so my base is very strong, but Khan lights the fuse where everything gets going
No, my sales work was from EOG Stage 2 (OG) and HOM, then my success there was from True Sell/ RICH and then StarkBlack and HOM again. I had run Emperor for almost 3 years previously and that really helped set the stage.
I introduced Khan last february after a break up and noticed my performance shot through the roof with 10 seconds loops but dropped if I over did it, I found a good balance and noticed Khan added power to everything I did. It blend with NWE in my stack and it created a kind of dominance at the top effect in sales. I ran it for many months very lightly increasing exposure and mostly running it before the gym. I dropped it and then switch to a ROW/GLM custom with my HOM/ASBR and True Sell/RICH stack to have the highest sales performance I’ve had to date.
I need a break from it. I introduced Khan most recently in a custom with NWE and True Social, and I have the highest KPI’s I’ve ever had in work- not the highest revenue yet, though. Will see how the month turns out. But I am focused on so many other things in my life as well which I love. It leads to more success in any business endeavor I engage in, but I start to see real new energy in my life as things start clicking in everything I am doing.
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Totally - all my fitness customs are 5 modules, they work amazing IMO, and act faster than bigger ones. 3 cores is still alot, but I’ve built up to using them effectively with lighter sub builds
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Quick update.
Work continues to excel, I’d been running Khan 2/TS/NWE custom, CC/SB, and RICH/ TS customs…Although I took the last few weeks to predominantly run Khan 2 and WDB. My revenue stays top but now my KPI’s are top too.
I have a clear path asided from my sales work in outside business now that I am beta-testing with entrepreneurs and people with their own small businesses
I’m doing a sales consulting/coaching company and an extremely specific type of men’s group- that is very different than the normal type- this is much more performance, edge, masculinity that feeds vitality directly, while archetypes, shadows, inner work are part of it - it’s very grow yourself so your results grow rapidly. I also have multiple coaches I’m working with in the relevant areas.
My life got a little thrown around recently, as I met the only person I’ve ever been able to see a future with romantically, and it ended in the worst possible way to me…the whole story I may go into here for my own alchemizing at some point. It was a huge wake-up call on how not in the game and in the practice of being the kind of man I want to be, understanding women the way I know, but checked out of, and on how much I’ve been relying on subs while discounting myself.
My weeks on predominantly Khan/WDB showed no decline in sales performance, and even helped…I’m sure processing helped too…and it’s clear now the subs have fully transformed me to someone who is just at the top of the game in my field of sales. However, I have NOT made those transformations in the areas of my own business or romance-- outside of inspiration, opportunity, and attention/attraction. Which are great starts- but I land the plane month to month in sales- and that’s what I get to have start happening in these other domains.
I think this is all an outgrowth of K2 showing me the man I really want to be and tolerating nothing less. I will vulnerably say- it’s been brutal (not K2 but ‘losing’ this person), and I’d been oscillating back and forth between being the most fired up I’ve ever been, and so depressed, jealous, apathetic. I really didn’t think someone like this could hit me so hard, but honestly, as much as I keep thinking it shouldn’t have happened, I’m grateful because it opened a door to a sense of partnership and possibility and the kind of person I’d want to be with that I never even thought existed. Her support had me acting and succeeding in work and business as well (she’s been extremely successful), and I felt the sense I would go to the ends of the earth for this person.
It also showed me more the kind of person I need to be. Not just in success by any means but in leadership with woman, seeing myself as a sexual being, setting stronger dynamics and not sliding into the wrong ones. Said very simply- while our connection was there and the attraction strong at points- she didn’t feel safe/ feminine enough in response to who I was and how I lived my life, and I didn’t engage her enough in a polarizing dynamic to have her open to things continuing to evolve.
She’s a ‘goddess’ look and energy- inside and out super strong in work/business but hyper feminine , and has men lined around the block interested in pursuing her, etc.
Conversely, and to make things harder for me now lol, she is now very interested in my friend, who is honestly a really freaking cool and great guy, and actually has a lot of the qualities that I am underdeveloped in. And my mindset right now- is like- ‘I get it…I get why she chose him’. Which is maybe not the healthiest, but also I see it’s very specific things he does and how he shows up that I could do too moving forward. He does not know we had a thing, so if anything develops between them, he and I will have to have that talk.
(we are all paying $40K + for the business groups/work we are involved in this year, so everything has maintained a really strong level of communication and professionalism at the least)
no red pill advice here please -I’m romantic but not a chump–although I definitely let insecurity, hesitation, take the reins here and fxxed quite a few things up.
I tested a little Ascension Stage 2 this week, and it completely wiped out the pain and care, and started to catapult me into feeling the experience was pure fuel for something else. I am tempted to switch to Ascension Stage 2, but I want to finish my Khan run by going back to K1 and then jumping ahead to K3. Not sure yet.
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I continue to experience significant emotional volatility and upset at the romantic situation I was in and how it turned out.
I recognize it will be a symbol of my further liberation and growth, and I have already processed through a ton of pain.
My conviction and actions on things in my life is stronger then ever, and I’m rediscovering a sense of my own masculinity. There is a sense of achievement that has become stable for me, so rediscovering being at the edge of the unknown for things that matter to me is really cool
I still can’t let go of ‘winning’ her back, or letting go of the outcome but I’m okay that’s there for now . I know there is nothing to do but have the kind of life and romance life where none of this matters anymore.
But what I realized, and this is not just from WDB. I want to be in romance. I’m open to incredible relationships and partnerships, I’m open to being with multiple people, but what matters more than any of it is to be in amazing, incredibly sexual romance stories in my own life. I think it was Zan who asked- if I’m not some woman’s dream, why not? That is part of the fun I’m having now as well. How can I be the dream person for the woman I to be with most. How am I already? WDB is obviously a great sub for that, but it can be accomplished in a less specific way as well.
I believe I have a deep insecurity around my ability to be with the woman I most want to be with. I’ve immersed myself in studying these dynamics again, and the push-pull of evolutionary biology and real love and connection feels a bit like a paradox right now. I know that’s just seeing things from a certain state of consciousness, though.
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@SaintSovereign 2031897 ordered this custom on June 1 not the one I made amendments too, can you look into when I may recieve this? I can’t find the official thread on it. Thank you!
@Forum_Ambassadors can you please point me to the official -where is my custom thread?
(changing body to be less similar than what was posted in teh wrong thread before. )
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I’ve vibed with K2 and 4 so far
Start testing light amounts of 3 - whole different beast
it feels like sexual and centered, and more manic, and not comfortable. may need to go to K1 again before I can proceed or may need some adjustment
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Thought I share this. I wrote this ticket a while back and it’s less relevant currently but thought it could be valuable.
Question:
I find many of the new subs
don’t fully land or create the same kind of internal confidence I experienced on previous versions.
I also find this weird odd of identity and presentation being shifted but still feel raw, insecure, or unresolved on many of the sub issues .
At the same time, I clearly see incredible results and benefits, but these issues don’t always seem to fully resolve. Is this recon or any insight into what this might be about?
For example on WDB I see amanzing connection, but have insecurity around things being sexual
On new R.I.C.H I dont’ feel that sharedge and confidence on felt on previous versions, and the humble element even can feel soft and insecure.
On True Social, I feel super fluid and discerning and great at navigating social landscape but I don’t enjoy it as much and feel like an empty space and that its harder get what I want etc.
On C&C I feel high status, and confident, but like its harder to meaningfully connect- that has an insecurity of being off- beat with people. ETC
This is an element of my experience, there are other things that works really well with all these subs.
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Azriel Apr 29, 2026 5:44 pm
to say more fully, it feels like there are great effects with the newer subs but like its not changing how I think about, feel, or see myself fully in my cases, or not in the same way as previously.
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SubliminalClub Support SupportJun 9, 2026 2:07 am
Hi Azriel,
This is one of the most insightful questions we get — and yes, a lot of what you’re describing is reconciliation, but there’s a deeper frame underneath it that I think makes sense of all four examples at once.
Short answer: What you’re noticing isn’t the newer titles working less on your inner world — it’s them working on a deeper layer of it, and doing it differently than older versions did.
Why the newer versions feel different
Older approaches (and earlier generations of our own titles) tended to work more by override — pressing a strong, defined state on top of what was already there. That can feel excellent: a sharp edge, an obvious surge of confidence, a clearly “switched-on” sensation. But part of that felt-intensity is closer to what we call the “pump” — a powerful surface state that sits over the underlying material rather than resolving it.
The newer Zero Point titles are built to do the opposite. They’re objective and self-directed: rather than installing a template of “confident,” “sharp,” or “high-status,” they’re designed to dissolve the limiting beliefs at the root and reveal your authentic version of those qualities. As the manual puts it, the technology “doesn’t create a false persona — it reveals your most powerful, authentic self,” dissolving old beliefs instead of forcing new ones over them.
The catch: when a deep insecurity is being dissolved at the root, it tends to surface first. That raw, insecure, “unresolved” feeling around a specific theme is usually the exact root being brought up so it can be cleared — not the title failing to reach your self-concept. It’s reaching the deepest part of it. This is precisely what our anti-reconciliation technology is designed to do: “discover and dissolve the root causes of your reconciliation.”
Why the results are strong but the sense of self hasn’t caught up
At its core, reconciliation is the gap between a transformed inner state and an outer reality (and self-image) that hasn’t caught up yet. You’re seeing the remarkable functional results — the connection, the fluency, the status — because capability comes online first. But how you think about, feel, and see yourself is the slower “baseline” layer (the manual’s gym analogy: the pump arrives immediately, the new baseline strength is built over months). Identity reorganizes around the new capability after it’s been lived and integrated — typically the minor-by-30-days, strong-by-90, major-by-6-months arc.
That’s why each of your examples has the same shape — strong outer effect, lagging inner embodiment:
- WDB — the connection lands, but the sexual-insecurity root is being surfaced. WDB specifically works on smoothing sexual shame and performance anxiety, so that material gets stirred up in order to dissolve.
- New R.I.C.H. — the “sharp edge” of the old version was partly an imposed state. The authentic version dissolves the underlying insecurity rather than masking it with bravado, so where that root isn’t cleared yet, “humble” can feel like “soft.”
- True Social — the capability (fluid, discerning) is fully online, but the enjoyment and felt-ownership haven’t integrated yet, so it reads as “empty space.” That’s the inner/outer gap, not a missing effect.
- C&C — status is embodied, but your relational self hasn’t reorganized around it yet, so connection feels “off-beat.” Same gap.
What actually helps this resolve
- Less, not more. This deep-layer work integrates on your rest days, not during listening. Keep exposure conservative and protect those rest days — overexposure increases reconciliation and slows this exact kind of integration.
- Open the pathways through action. Self-concept consolidates when the new capability is repeatedly lived and expressed, and when you let the surfaced insecurity be felt and processed rather than pushed back down. Inner change becomes identity through real-world reps.
- Journal it. Identity-level change is the easiest kind to miss in the moment, precisely because it quietly becomes “just you.” Tracking it is often the only way to see it happening.
- Don’t chase the old felt-intensity. The authentic version won’t always feel as loud as an imposed state, even when the real, lasting results are greater. Judge by what’s genuinely changing, not by the “edge” sensation.
To put it plainly: this isn’t the newer titles doing less. It’s them working on the part of you that the older versions skipped over — and that part surfaces before it settles.
Warm regards, Support Team
P.S from Fire: I wanted to add a bit more from myself since this is a good question - when this stuff surfaces, this is usually the perfect time to work on these things as they become obvious. All this has been hiding underneath, and now it is coming to head in order to be worked through. Use that opportunity
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Thanks for sharing
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Running K3/True Social custom
I have a K3/Wanted custom as well, I tested tonight
I’m decided to add Wanted occasionally for the light healing, as I have some deep insecurity around actually ever being the person the woman I want most wants, although this has been healing a lot on Khan. Support recommend this or DRR for that.
ran a minute each and 10 seconds of WB before hitting the bar tonight.
Met a super cutie at the door, and we spent the whole night hitting it up -
Two of my female friends came later -one I used to date. This new chick and I joined my friends. (the group effect helped saftey but not sure about romance)
The new woman I was talking to was super engaged- and we just flowed and flirted the whole night. The silence was full of tension and hot but not awkward, and she asked me so many questions again and again and again to fill the gaps and reopen things. I was really social with everyone at the bar, and was ‘opening’ sets of people all night, just having fun flowing in and out. This woman bought me a drink and we made plans to go for drinks another night.
When my friends came things cooled off, she kept asking how I knew them. I just told her the girl I used to date- dated my brother years ago (which is actually true lol)
The kiss didn’t feel right to go for at the end of the night. She’s 10 years younger, and everything just felt really cool. It was so easy. There were moments when I had to push things consciously, but for the most part, things just flowed. It would have been cool if things got more physical at the end but at the same time- since she lives kind of close I think its better to go slower.
I drank a bit too much and could feel myself slipping into some old patterns at the end, but felt solid at the same time.
Then, on my way home, another woman was sitting on my stoop-she was very sexy and cute, but not my normal type. I felt like talking, so we just ended up shooting the breeze for like two hours vibing. She’s like 16 years younger, and at the end of the night, she asked for my phone number and asked me out. And was like I’m available on the weekends -hit me up and we’ll go out.
This really hot 50-year-old woman I got into a convo with at the bar was also pursuing me hard, but I didn’t take it anywhere because I was more vibing with the other woman.
I have not run Khan 3 solo, but so far the combo is pretty badass. Khan has me leading and doing what I want, Wanted has woman pursuing -buying me drinks, engaging, asking me out, and TS makes everything run seamlessly. I’d be curious how things would flow with one of those out of the equation, but so far, I’m digging the this. I’ve run similar subs without this level of flow before. Sometimes I think TS is too deep/strategic, so that it can have an anti-romance effect on me, but that might be recon.
I was attracted to all three women who were really engaging me; the woman who bought me a drink was way up there for my type…not like top top- but way up there.
At the grocery store earlier, I saw my PERFECT type. I didn’t have the courage -or sense of how to engage her. We eyed fxxx each other and then did full-body sweeps each time we walked past each other. It was really hot. But she was too attractive, I got in my head. The only thing I could do was find her in the grocery aisles, go back to her and do a direct open, and I was not comfortable with that. I didn’t see a situational entry.
I can see it being just a matter of time before the women I start to draw in like this are more and more my dream types, and it flows naturally.
I also think this is the effect of a lot of the intentional, healing work and coaching I’ve been doing. As well as the intention to become attractive. I know that sounds obvious, but having that intention has transformed my romance/ seduction sub results.
I’d say most of these results are TS/Khan, with Wanted pulling the dynamic for woman to pursue rather than just me lead.
While I’ve been really open to a relationship, I could feel that while speaking to them, I would feel totally comfortable telling them I’m interested in just romance and sex, just owning where I am and being fine with whatever the result, and the willingness to have what I want or let go felt like a gravity behind the scenes.
The woman I was crazy about, whose things didn’t work out with, -nothing happened between her and my friends, and now she is texting me every day again and sending pictures. Until she says she wants romance, or flies up to see me, I’ll just enjoy her sharing and encourage that.
As I become more rooted in myself and my life and see how valuable I am as a partner, everything is getting easier along the way. I’m getting that sense I had on OG khan, not like I’m better, but like no one is like me, no one…I’m the rarest there is. I don’t get this on Wanted or WB alone but they definitely help, on Khan I start to click into this sense that I am the best possible option, not from arrogance but from a certainty in my rarity as someone who will do anything to evolve and create
I also have a new attitude of pretending I’m normal financially, as I think that having fallen in love with business and wealth generation and sharing that with women is a really stupid idea. I’d been doing it the way I’d talk to any male friends but now I just steer everything away from that. It just sets the wrong precedent. Also so many people even with great jobs are just getting by so its weird to create such a delta between us. I just talk about loving work or being totally there for people.
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Sharing this support ticket
Thank you
some follow uo
- what is dominance driven path to success? How does that differ from other paths of success like emperor, ASBR etc?
- What is Khan’s pure dominance-based seduction -? Does that exclude romance and intimacy? Does
What is conquest - If I had two Khan customs- both with K3 and one with NWE and one without - would the one without operate without the broadened effect of the NWE scripting? Conversely if I had another custom with NWE would it be neccesary to add NWE to Khan or would it pick up on some of the other customs NWE?
thanks
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SubliminalClub Support SupportJun 15, 2026 7:13 pm
Glad to keep going — good follow-ups. Let me take them in turn.
1) What is the “dominance-driven path to success,” and how does it differ from Emperor or ASBR?
Each of these titles builds success, but through a different engine — a different idea of what creates the win.
Khan’s path is dominance. Success flows from who you become: a powerful, commanding, sexually and socially dominant force, to the point that status, wealth, and people bend toward you. It’s success through sheer personal force and presence — you don’t so much construct a system as become someone reality reorganizes around. Wealth and status are downstream of your dominance.
Emperor’s path is empire-building. The engine is resilience, authority, and the patient architecture of wealth and leadership — the ruler who builds and governs an empire, often single-handedly, driven by unshakable certainty. It’s more about constructing and commanding a lasting structure (business, capital, legacy) than about raw personal dominance.
ASBR’s (A Stark Black Reality) path is the visionary force of nature. Its engine is innovation, cognitive brilliance, and fame/spotlight — wealth and dominance arrive through being an admired, envied, remembered innovator who leaves a mark. It’s success through standing out and building something the world notices.
So: same destination, different fuel — Khan dominates into success, Emperor builds and rules into it, ASBR innovates and is seen into it.
2) What is Khan’s “pure dominance-based seduction,” conquest, and does it exclude romance/intimacy?
Khan’s seduction grows out of dominance and authority — attraction through being a powerful, sexually commanding man who knows his desire and asserts it. The magnetism comes from raw sexual presence and the confidence to pursue and claim, rather than from tenderness or emotional courtship.
“Conquest” is the framing underneath that: the drive to pursue, win, and claim — triumph in the seductive and sexual arena, the same conquering ethos Khan applies to life in general. It’s about prevailing and taking, framed as victory.
Does it exclude romance and intimacy? Not exclude — but it doesn’t emphasize them. Khan’s seduction is weighted toward sexual magnetism and the thrill of winning, not the softer, relational, emotionally-intimate, “deep connection” side of romance. That tender/partnership dimension is exactly the gap that adding NRE fills: it broadens Khan’s conquest-flavored seduction toward fuller romance and intimacy. So with Khan alone you get powerful seductive pull; if you want genuine romantic depth and connection layered in, NRE is what extends it there.
3) The cross-custom NWE question — this is the key one.
The short rule: an Experience core only works on the custom it’s actually built into. It doesn’t reach across into your other customs.
- Two Khan customs, both with K3, one with NWE and one without: yes — the one without NWE runs as plain Khan, with no broadened wealth-manifestation lens. It does not borrow the NWE effect from your other build. NWE only frames and amplifies the wealth content inside the custom it physically lives in.
- Would Khan “pick up” the NWE from a separate custom? No. If you want Khan’s content processed through the NWE framework, NWE has to be in the Khan custom itself. A different custom’s NWE won’t route this custom’s Khan scripting through it.
The one thing that does carry across is you, not the framework. Running an NWE custom develops your overall wealth-manifestation capacity and alignment as a person, and that general growth supports everything you do — including benefiting from the results Khan produces. But that’s a broad, you-level carryover, not the targeted “Khan processed through NWE” effect. For the targeted effect, NWE and Khan need to share a build.
So if the goal is specifically “Khan’s path run through a wealth-manifestation engine,” put NWE in that Khan custom. If you just want a strong general wealth engine running in your life alongside a separate Khan build, a dedicated NWE custom does that on its own — the two builds simply won’t cross-process each other’s scripting.
Hope that clears it up — happy to go further on any of them.
Best regards, Support Team
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can’t believe i haven’t been watching your journal in a while.
GOLD stuff man.
Gonna dedicate a solid hour to catch up tomorrow 
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