@Hoppa have you started running C&C?
I have.
Itâs the usual for me⌠Havenât noticed anything.
C&C fits my long term goals perfectly.
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Perhaps youâre still in recon, even if you canât feel it?
For me it was quite obvious was Hoppas was trying to say with his post after reading half of it.
And I wouldnât say Iâm intellectually so superior to you that I see things easy where you donât.
Thatâs why Iâm thinking you might still be in recon.
This reminds me a bit of WB stories. People run WB to get he ultimate harem, only to realize they want nothing more than their soulmate.
Perhaps thatâs your Zero Point, speaking to you about desires, deeper goals than just fast money through sales.
If that would be the case, itâs up to you what you make out of it.
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Iâve been frustrated by my experience lately; thatâs possible
I disagree with the assessment of recon or intellect through someoneâs clarification or misunderstanding, but I get your point.
(I know youâre saying it was the kind of thing I could normally comprehend, but given that recon may have missed it. It was also 3:00 am for me, and I was thinking of other meanings and the unstated as well. People can interpret things based on different focuses, etc., so there are other variables that make it a less clean way to assess.
This came to a head in the other thread.[
Itâs much more than that, itâs part of a larger purpose, my success offers me something in terms of personal wealth, but also winning/ meaning/ flow, enjoyment at work, status- security, supporting my family when needed, affording travel and lifestyle. And ultimately funding my own entrepreneurial and other ventures.
While I aspire for more, itâs not just âfast cashâ that sales gives me. So I wouldnât see C&C negating that.
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This is just an interesting side note.
But it seems to me that what @Parsifal was saying was that this may have been more mood-related and focus-related than intellect-related. In other words, recon often manifests as a perceptual fixation. I am sitting down rigidly looking at the front door, waiting for the person who I really want to see; and so I miss people knocking on the side door or back door.
Youâre right. In this case, it might not be relevant to you. But I find the point itself pretty fascinating; so I just wanted to reply to it a little.
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Why the study was on my mindâŚ
I was talking about legacy with my personal chaos riding AI a few weeks ago.
How to find people with long natural time horizon, to continue with the mission when I canât anymore.
It annoyed me that it might not be possible to change that trait in a person. Would make it difficult to find the so called successor.
But⌠If it was possible with the help of the subs, it would change the approach I have to take.
Your posts just triggered a random (every day for me) connection.
Drive-by chaos.
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It is. Look into Virtue Series: Patience in the Q store. At least it worked for me significantly in just three months of use.
Besides, I also think itâs something that can be learned/taught.
@Azriel sorry for crashing into your journal man
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No, itâs a great point, to question where there is a perceptual misunderstanding based on recon.
Especially as a suggestion or reminder. Iâm being âlitigiousâ . My point is that there are too many variables to make that an evaluation factor.
One personâs clear extrapolation of what was meant is not necessarily accurate. I mean, as it turns out, it was a random connection!!
My assumption that it meant something personal about me was likely recon, though, or more accurately, the Emperor element of C&C, which has me take things in a more individuated way. Not as a bug but as a feature.
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As random as it was, it still was connected to you.
Only lately have I been more actively reading the forum. Your thread, many months ago. But I have this feeling that you have been talking about longer term plans for a long time.
C&C might be pushing you towards them.
I do think you would ânaturallyâ move towards them too.
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Posting for my own process and alchemizing
, not looking for solutions or advice, but open to perspectives and opinions.
My run on C&C was the worst performing 3.5 weeks in over a year for me.
I managed to keep my head above water through highly intense outreach.
During this time, not 1 but EVERY single other member on my advanced team started performing better than they ever have.
While correlation is not causation, given my quick adaptation to subs, and/or recon, it becomes clear this was not sustainable for me.
I kept going with C&C after the conversation about it on the forum, and it really started to give me more clarity on what was working and not working with it.
I switched back to the previous custom half way through this week because I really needed more traction and am still catching back up.
I have started to calcify with aggression, doubt, competitiveness, sense of being behind, that I am having trouble shaking- I notice I am dreading work and feel everyone will be a no to sales- I am pushing it away and expecting hurt. This is now in recon so strategically I am giving myself permission to call this month a wash-while still giving everything I have to perform.
I have included GLM/ custom lightly in my cycle- but without breaking traction and groud I needed it mitigates but doesnât assuge my stress in the situation.
I did experience growth on C&C.
I saw how my stress is always dictated by performance and how structures and controlling the entire flow is the only way around this
I saw I am responsible for my life and situation fully and going along for the ride is great, but until I can intiate and build I will lack freedom
I saw how being able to tactfully handly everyone without aggression or annoyance is key my own sanity in sales and long term success
I see how my cyncism and frustration derails everything
I started executed on many things that have Iâve been waiting on.
Towards the end of the time someting clicked and I started to see C&C advantages even on sales with C&C. More effective and targeted in my salesmanship-rather than just rote. This started to come out even strong- but my lead flow was so dried up and bad in quality I really wanted to get back to something working.
I now find myself intuitively and strongly driven back to C&C as it felt like maybe I was actually working through something that was not resolved and it seems switching back has not had things resolve either.
Again just chalking it up to a month that may be a learning experience, but not the end of my high performance.
My biggest issue with the sub is that it created a sense of individuation that seemed to cut me off from my normal worldview of seeing the universe as a conspiring place that serves and supports me. This was my reaction to the sub. It made me feel like I couldnât rely on anyone for anything I had to do myself. This could be recon or feature, it was never clear but was clear , the lack of faith seemed to cause a resonance that confirmed my situation and it started to reflect in reality.
Usually it feels like the universe if flowing and conpsiring for me to win and no matter what I win, things come may way, opportunities, my extra effort pays off, something turns out that woudnât normally. And lately its like nothing I do is good enough to break through.
My verbal fluidity and connection is much superior on HOM custom BUT I think C&C was revealing the wealth error in not controlling lead flow or being in a position to dictate the quality.
I also think C&C was down to business with leads that were fits or not anyway -which is not a bad thing- just a mismatch in expectation.
The real issue was I was not speaking to, seeing enough quality prospects to perform at the levels I wanted. The emotional issue was everyone around me was doing much superior.
I re-ordered my sales custom with new rich and will have that for the future, and really not sure what to do next, doing a little bit of a washout most likely.
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@SaintSovereign this was my exact issue when I was running on C&C as well and was why I dropped it in the past (is this some kind of recon or adaption phase when running C&C?). Now with the release of new RICH, would stacking C&C with New RICH solve this problem for us?
Just a feeling, but my guess is what you both want/need really is EoG: True Sell, maybe with a touch of New RICH
Like, thatâs what I gathered from there: Main Disc. Thread - Season 4: Into the Wonder [9.28.25] - #3556 by SaintSovereign
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Well that would be great except EoG: True Sell is not out till March lol.
Dont want to push on you continuing with this sub as obviously you know best whats best for youâre goals.
Just want to share. Ive run C&C since release and at first I actually felt like my focus was not at all on wealth. In fact it felt like it wasnât a priority at all. The focus on the sub was really on the internal sovereignty. IE seeing my time as currency, having firmer boundaries, how I act socially etc. Ive done a washout now and started a new cycle of C&C and now I can really feel the sub focus more on wealth scripting.
This may be a feature of the adaptive scripting or the sub itself. But it is specifically mentioned in the pro tips area to focus on the crown before the capital.
From my perspective this sub is designed for goals to become a multi millionaire if not a billionaire. Ive always seen with people of ultra high net worth this trend of having their âcrownâ being highly developed.
Its explicitly said this sub is a very long term sub and I would recommend sticking with it longer term, it may surprise you like it surprised me.
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Interesting you mentioned all of that, curious as far as your wealth pathway is it career based or business based?
Your experience reminds me of when I ran WB back in the day. The first months weâre hard but after that I had the most life changing results ever. Only difference with that one is it was clear and easy to see the external and physical shifting results even if the recon and internal piece was making it so difficult to run.
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Wealth pathways are:
- Trading algorithms, Working on opening a hedge fund to manage peoples money with them.
- Individual trading.
- I leverage my network to bring capital into deals and get commissions. IE introducing capital to private banks, private company investments etc. This one is far less consistent though.
You can see why I am quite partial to C&C lol.
I had my fair share of sub hopping in the past but now ive really understood that you need to give a sub time to work to get good results. I am a fast gainer and can feel instant effects when I play subs but it just gets deeper and deeper with more time.
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I actually think this is 100% right, and I was going through that adaptation phase. I started to intuit and experience the other side. I donât want to say more, but I will update in a week. I think in terms of how it hits, this is very accurate.
I was in a battle for my own sovereignty with way too many things.
I feel already on edge about the feedback Iâve given and the controversy it may have sparked, but feedback is important, and I tried to be responsible about where my concerns and frustrations were, not inditements
Someone sent me a video last night talking about the number 1 best-selling book on sales being âLetting Goâ by David Hawkins
because your state of consciousness dictates
- Who shows up for you, lead-wise -the people you attract. (people reflects of our ways of being and /or unresolved issues)
- How leads perceive you- they will act and do things differently for people in different states of consciousness
Literally after seeing this, I realized Iâve been operating out of pride and anger, and even though Iâve been pushing some sales through, I completely let it go. It became more important to me to be who I choose to be, and decide who I am and how I show up, than results- regardless of life happening, and it was like this huge concern spontaneously released. Today has been sale after sale after sale- amazing people -
(This could be cool looking into for the new EOG: True Sell )
Even with âdifficultâ people, I can see where I start to shift in response to my own perceptions and have been moving out of it in real time to stay elevated- and people step into that.
(Also, for the record, it seems there are people who believe in manifestation as a function of linearity. The proper container, readiness, the right action, alignment etc., and people who believe in magnifying some opportunity and result through intention/desire/ resonance. The middle ground being - âfrequencyâ alters the perception of what is already there and creates compatibility with those results. I see both, I do so mind-boggling out of this world -manifestation synchronicities just show up when I am in certain states/ways of being and am learning more how to create alignment in my life and results through new actions as well as current pathways. )
I do think this realization is a result of everything Iâve been working on, including the crown part of C&C in gaining internal power over myself regardless of the outcome.
I could see C&C could ultimately be incredible for sales, but had needed to shift off for a bit to see this.
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