@Adi@Hezlitt
Just be grateful for seeing results so damn fast.
I need usually a couple of weeks to notice the slightest change. Same goes for recon.
To me, this sounds like a gift. I could tweak so much if I would be able to feel the subs so intensely. But no, I need to rely on guesswork.
Am I listening to much? Or not enough?
I’ll know in a couple of weeks.
If I’m carefully watching.
What helps is keeping a journal and rereading it every couple of weeks/months to become aware of slight changes.
But still, after spending close to two years with SC, my life changed tremendously.
Not on the outside.
There didn’t change to much.
But personality wise I grew a lot.
And I trust, that at a point when the foundation is set, when enough trauma is solved, enough understanding has arisen, enough building of positive characteristics is done, change will come rapidly.
What most people tend to forget is that subs aren’t supposed to manifest great change after just a couple of weeks.
On average, you’re supposed to run a sub for a whole year to see the results you desire.
And if you read journals like @Viktor s Victory Ventures, you see how a sub works if you run it for a year and longer. And it still delivers.
I kind of agree with it. I hope it will be solved when the new instructions drop, because right now, an average person would just buy the sub, read the official guidelines of 1-2 loops every other day and would go crazy lol
Afaik only few sales pages mention microloops at the moment
Still, I seem to be doing good with the following strategy: start at 30 seconds, increase by 30s each listening day until feeling slight recon (more irritable, sleep worse, dreams, etc.) - stay there until it is resolved. Then increase again, with the same strategy. This way I’m able to grow, increase exposure, resolve recon, keep productivity high and smoothly work through my issues
The trick is knowing when the plateau happens - but it’s not quite a “plateau”. This is the area when the bulk of the deeper work is occurring. This is the same as in authentic spiritual practice.
Yes, it will be added.
However, it’s important to point out that recon is not the evil big bad guy it might seem at first glance. It’s simply the process of reconciliation between the subconscious structures and the subliminal. It is the actual change happening within.
A blacksmith cannot forge a blade without actually melting, bending and hitting the iron. Muscles cannot be built without first breaking them down. Energy cannot be gathered and grown without proper, correct practice.
Subconscious mind cannot be changed without proper input and subsequent reconciliation.
Now, that does not mean we cannot influence this process and make it smoother, less painful, more efficient - and that is one of the biggest challenges in the subliminal industry. Most haven’t even scratched the existence of this process (as can be seen on YouTube), and others treat this process as the mind being unwilling to change, and thus it necessitates beating it into submission. But there is no beating yourself into submission, because the subconscious mind is you.
You are your own greatest ally, and just like with attaining a top 0.1% physique, it requires careful planning, diet, optimized muscle building exercise regiment and highly tuned supplement regime - in other words, carefully created and optimized subliminal technology, as well as proper usage from the user, which we have massively simplified to simply taking action, introspection/journaling and a proper listening schedule.
Many take this simplicity as basic, but mastery is when you can take something as incredibly, massively complex like the subconscious mind, and then narrowing it down to just the most fundamental things that give the most effect (like the famous 80/20 rule).
Side tangent but related - there was a discussion between inspired action vs action about a year back, and how some individuals don’t want to take blind action and instead want “inspired” action. However, inspired action can also be simplified to simply action + X component (visualization, “knowing it’s true” as some in those circles like to say, working with external “amplifying” spiritual systems, guided by something greater, etc.).
The subliminals already fulfill the role of the X component - all you need is action, and eventually action becomes this “inspired” action - i.e action guided by the subliminal and the subconscious mind.
This line of thinking stems from misunderstanding with recon actually is. As I said previously, there’s no getting around reconciliation - it’s going to be there in one form or another (unless we come up with some completely game-changing technology). It’s simply the side effect of change.
And the fun part - if you’re not getting any recon from a producer, you’re likely not creating any actual change, or it’s quite minimal and would take a very, very long time. People are free to try it for themselves - no need to take my word for it.
Ultima had recon just the same as ZP. Older versions had recon as well. The titles were less powerful, less deep and had less effect on the subconscious structures that needed to be affected. Thus the recon was lower - but it was still there.
Thus it was easier to listen. And before the single listen, they were even less effective (although compared to most of the stuff out even now, lightyears ahead), and required 8 hours of listening a day. Most users used to listen overnight, and some up to 16 hours.
And recon was still there. Because it’s not an amorphous, invisible, unpredictable and insidious force that tries to mess you up - it’s just your mind trying to figure out how to best fit all the changes you desire. It’s like lactic acid build up with working out, but much more complex. Due to it being more complex, if you work with it rather than against it, thankfully you can minimize massively it’s effects - for example @Invictus get’s minimal recon because usually he’s quite decided on the things he wants, is ready to work with the subliminal (adaptable) and takes action. High flow factor (individual makeup of the subconscious structures) also plays a role.
As for results, of course there were good results. But it’s not about getting good results, it’s about getting even better results. That is why Subliminal Club is our passion project - we love to tinker, optimize and test our technology, and push the results to greater and greater levels.
Personally, I don’t think Subliminal Club would have been as popular and successful as it is now if we settled with let’s say New Dawn level of technology, and just said “Become ehh, something I guess?” rather than Become Legendary.
Speaking generally here, not specifically at you @Hezlitt - if you’re the type of person who loves to be part of a business that is on the bleeding edge of development at all times, then that’s Subliminal Club, with all the benefits and drawbacks of such. If not, there are plenty of more “stable” creators stuck in the stone age.
In my experience, recon (the side effects of reconciliation) kicks the lion’s share of results out the window—especially low-level recon. Nowadays, with low-level recon minimized to the point where it barely differs from my usual chain of thoughts and emotional responses to them, my reconciliation process is clean and smooth. The shifts are dramatic, and the results are consistent—at times even exponential, far better than they ever were and in such a short span ot time.
In the past, I would run 3–6 loops a day, constantly overexposed and going through low-level recon I wasn’t even aware of. I did get some results and managed to improve my baseline—but not anywhere near the level I’m experiencing now, after minimizing low-level recon to almost absolute zero.
It is indeed, even if you initially see better results when overexposing. However, the real magic happens when you give your mind enough time to process the scripting, identify what limits the execution, and work on overcoming it.
Update 11:
I believe that the so-called trailer effect—and people claiming they’ve lost their results or even fallen below the baseline they had before starting subliminals—stems from overexposure and getting stuck in the vicious cycle of low-level reconciliation.
It’s clear to me how much better my results are now that I’ve broken out of that cycle. Even if I overexpose and experience low-level recon, I can easily detect it and respond appropriately—by giving my mind more time to process the scripting and using the power of my awareness and will to conquer recon. I do this by reining in my emotional reactions and taking the proper actions to minimize it.
Okay wow. I’m in recon. 2 years of full loops and just then I find this thread - Boom! I’m listening. My speech feels flubbery as I’m typing, I do think I fall into this category. What @Adi described, I could relate to most of it.
EDIT: What tf is Flubbery. I’m leaving it in as proof of recon.
Suddenly I just perceive something on a conscious level and I lose track of what I was doing. It’s like so sudden, faster than thought (if it makes sense). I try to control it, but nope. When in recon, it’s worse.
If a task is boring or I am not drawn to it, then this happens frequently and I just can’t focus long. One of my fears is this happening constatly, which it does
Sounds more like overexposure symptoms.
When I overexposed, young and stupid as I was 20 months ago, I had severe troubles forming sentences in writing. Not as much while speaking, but my forum entries at that time were very flubbery.
This is the constant state of someone with ADHD like me
It seems to be very similar (yet not identical) in every person. It’s not identical because each cycle may vary (in one person) as different subconscious structures are worked on. However, I can see a pattern across the forums, and my findings (which I presented in this thread) align closely with it.
Please remember that it’s not an official SC idea but my own original and unique insight based on my experiences and observations .
Two reports from people who have learned from my findings:
Do you mean subliminal friction and subconscious turbulence are gone, or not catalysing to externally manifest processing artifacts which are perceived and experienced as negative-feeling effects?
How much of this could you attribute to your reduced exposure?
Very interesting work.
I have also been precisly looking at my recon cycle, especially in the last half year since I started neurofeedback and for the first time in my life escaped fight/flight response.
I am currently very actively studying my brain and its science. Especialle how different systems operate…Prefrontal Cortex, Limbic system etc.
From what I see, what you call reconciliation is a process in the prefrontal cortex. Its a process that hits my “self image”. The new software gets installed. The emotions created are what I call artifical emotions. Emotions caused by thought. Mental blockages.
But then there is recon. Recon is what I would described as being triggered or unregulated. its when the limbic system highjacks everything. And then mental processing is put to a halt.
As someone with ADHD, I would describe being in Recon has having Artifically created ADHD. Being in inner conflict thats wavering under the surface,
While reconcilliation ismore of a mental process…
Still I feel there is much more to subs like only the psychological part. Khan Black currently teaches me to relax my pelvic floor and the muscles there. More listending is no real use. I need daily practice of takin some breathes and checking if chronic tensions have highjacked my body again. Real integration of the subliminal input into the body is what really makes stable changes.
I have gone to listen to a loop (currently around 30s) every 4-7 days…depending on what i have going on in my life and how my “natural processes” are going. But I am someone who has a very very strong “Trailer effect” as you call it. I listen to a minute of Wanted Black and I am fully in the sub. for some hours. And then deep recon starts. I found out that due to CPTSD and ADHD I didnt have the emotional ressources to actually go through reconciliation at all. So I was in this viscious cycle of Trailer effect, reccon, no real changes. ADHD medication changed that a bit, But only now due to neurofeedback I start to see the real potential of subs. But definitley I will need some more months or years till my brain can run subs “properly”.
This trailer effect is super intersting. What I believe is that the masks or sound files induce certain brainwaves. Where the brain works “properly”. I founnd this out because my neurofeedback software uses the same audio file as the mask for brain wave alteration. Havent experiemented with the ultrasonics though. But learning more about this trailer effect and possible brain wave technologies that are included would be super intersting. I only fear that this is part of trade secret @SaintSovereign
What I would find intersting, maybe you know of it @Sub.Zero : How is the anti recon custom module for customs working? Is it a stable or can it “fuck up” a custom? @AnswerGroup Is the worst case that it doesnt have an impact or has someone described negative outcomes?
In the end I feel like Reconciliation is a process odf discolving energetic blockages. And Recon is the effect when energy is stuck. So the best thing is to flood the body with energy/lifeforece. Physicial exercise is amazing, but so are other things. singing loudly etc. everything that gets you out of the stuckness.
