We’re about to enter our “mid season break” during August and September.
This doesn’t mean there won’t be any cool new things coming out (there are) but we’re definitely going to slow things down a bit, do some research and development and come back with a blast. We’re going to focus a bit more on writing more support articles, revamping the instruction manual, etc.
The plans we have for NFTW are complete game changers and will mark the beginning of a new era at SubClub. For a company to survive, it must change according to the needs of the customer base as well as society as a whole. Sometimes, that means restricting things, sometimes that means liberation. But for those of us with a keen insight in business and product development, what we see is opportunity.
In the mean time, enjoy your STKS, report back to develop new things. We are particularly interested in hearing about your experiences on using wealth subs, and I will open up a thread in a bit for this. Not particularly the amount of money you made (or didn’t), but more about how your mindset on money changed (or didn’t change).
“Everything Comes to Light” returned today, making wild claims again. On the 30th of this month, this individual is due in court to potentially be declared incompetent, with all his possessions and property being turned over to his caretaker for guardianship, as he is potentially a danger to himself and others.
This information is public and by all virtue of the law, I am actually entitled to post the link to the state court’s website with the pending court case. We shall not resort to that, however, unless this behavior continues. As of right now, it is our determination that the individual is in violation of the cease and desist we sent by certified mail, not only because he returned and posted, but because he also posted another fake review to defame us.
To that individual (and do not register another account to ban evade):
You just posted a fake review pretending to be someone who was “mind controlled” into buying more products. This is an allegation without a shred of evidence, and we have twice put your allegations before our dedicated community and customer base within the past six months. Each time, not a single person could corroborate a similar experience.
Now, for the third time, I’m openly refuting your claim. I’m not requesting our valued community members to expend their time and energy dissecting these unfounded allegations yet again. However, I do welcome any thoughts or comments from those who feel inclined to contribute.
In an online world full of misinformation, we must all strive to seek the truth and uphold the integrity of our community. We must ensure that our shared digital space remains a source of genuine, unbiased information. We should all remember that our collective strength lies in our ability to discern fact from fiction and to continue to trust in our shared experiences.
Of course, for the third time, he’s going to ignore you, he may choose to sidestep your call-out, as that seems to be his only strategy to perpetuate these unfounded beliefs. However – as usual — we shall persist in upholding truthfulness, AGAIN. If we were indeed terrified of being “exposed for mind control,” we would not have dared to publicize this conversation.
Posting false reviews is in direct violation of the cease and desist you were sent by certified mail and for that reason alone, I will be proceeding with the legal action. Furthermore, this behavior falls under the purview of intentional defamation of character:
It appears you’re actively seeking to harm us, and the situation is escalating. This marks the third time where you’ve posted inaccurate information about our company, and our threshold for tolerance has been reached.
As anyone here will tell you, only a few weeks. You’d know this if you actually stopped listening. But, of course – you didn’t stop listening because you conveniently made up the excuse that you are being “mind controlled” into listening. The following was posted on June 12th:
To address your question directly — your experiences with subliminal results and related aspects will halt when you stop fucking running the program. My apologies for the blunt language, but the situation calls for clarity.
If, as we suspect, you are continuing to use these titles regularly, only to claim here that “your brain is processing stuff from months and months ago,” it begs the question, “what kind of assistance are you seeking?”
Answer: You might be hoping for the disclosure of the “secret” behind Zero Point to create your own subliminals.
As for the “ITS TOO STRONG” assertion (which humorously contradicts earlier claims that certain products are TOO WEAK), it’s a baseless accusation, fueled by “Hermit,” who was caught in the act of fabricating his experiences on this forum (which, to address your query from a week or two ago @James, is why he was initially banned): PLEASE READ: Banned Member
But, of course, “Everything Comes to Light,” considering your relentless monitoring of our activities (which, no matter how you phrase it, amounts to obsessive stalking), you’ve likely already seen this information and chosen to disregard it. Why? Because it doesn’t align with your narrative and claims. There are no “months and months” of “bloom.”
Furthermore, it’s worth noting that “Hermit” has displayed signs of mental instability, signing his support tickets as “the Son, the Christ.” In the same ticket, he claimed to be “the Father” himself—a fairly sacrilegious assertion, don’t you think? But you’ll likely dismiss this too, as it once again challenges your agenda.
There is no “programming” in a title.
There are scripts, suggestions that you as the listener can choose to act upon or disregard. There isn’t a single individual, besides yourself, asserting that you have been “programmed” to do something specific, like purchase more titles or continue to listen to them. Not even “Hermit” is making such a claim.
In fact, in another disjointed support ticket, “Hermit” entirely disassociated himself from you, stating that you are misusing his words to bolster your baseless concerns.
But again – you may choose to overlook this because it appears you are grappling with a personal issue that is beyond our ability to help with.
@Fire, correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the support ticket expressed something to the effect that “Hermit” was “horrified to hear” that you were using his name and assertions.
Your narrative seems fabricated, potentially as a result of success with the ‘Wanted’ title. It seems you wish to continue using it to further your successes, and so you made a story to justify your continued use of the program.
Your rhetoric mirrors Hermit’s. The terms you’ve employed are directly borrowed from him. Hermit constructed this narrative as a means to deflect blame onto Khan for his dishonesty, rather than acknowledging his own darker tendencies.
The role of this community is not to provide “comfort” when it is clear that there is a lack of authenticity in your actions. Our members have their own lives to navigate, and NONE of them are experiencing this “issue” that you purport to have.
The issue does not lie within the community, it lies within you. As long as you are unable to acknowledge that, there’s little assistance we can provide here. We cannot rectify a problem that simply doesn’t exist. There is no element of mind control. There is no “processing for months and months.”
In essence, what you’re claiming just doesn’t align with reality.
I genuinely empathize with your situation. However, we cannot take responsibility for an action that we did not perpetrate. It also seems that your gratitude is lacking, given that we have twice brought your concerns to the attention of our community.
NO ONE is experiencing the same issues except for an individual whose competency is being called into question – and of course, the doctors have clearly seen this already. This singular fact is the only reason why I’m responding to you, as we don’t want you or anyone else to get hurt over a figment of your imagination.
Let’s be very clear – @Fire and I are both well armed and equipped and well trained to handle conflicts. This situation is gradually escalating towards an unhealthy fixation. It has crossed the line from mere concern to stalking and obsession. And these situations can sometimes escalate into violent outcomes, particularly when you’re attempting to blame us for something we haven’t done.
But rest assured, I harbor no fear of you or any perceived threat you think you may pose.
Stop listening to subliminals – ours, the YouTube subliminals you used (yes, I am aware of this), the ones you created (yes, I am aware of this), morphic fields (yes, I am aware of this)
Delete the files.
Talk to your qualified mental health professional whenever you feel down.
Start lifting weights.
Talk to your qualified mental health professional.
Lift more weights.
Listen to your qualified mental health professional.
Acknowledge the reality that everyone else here—the physicians, attorneys, coders, educators, devoted meditators, and spiritual individuals, all of sound mind and body—are not delusional. You are.
Listen to the instructions of your qualified mental health professional.
Listen to the instructions of your qualified mental health professional.
Listen to the instructions of your qualified mental health professional.
There is nothing else that we can do.
Now. Hermit.
You created deceptive narratives and built the illusion of an elevated understanding of our products. As a result, you’ve created a confusing scene for the vulnerable. Let’s be real, you’re a young adult of 21, you may have grand visions of wisdom, but the knowledge you claim to have seems to be straight from accessible resources about the “sacred mysteries”.
Unfortunately, the impact of your actions isn’t theoretical—it’s real. Not towards us, because it’s quite clear we aren’t responsible for what this individual has alleged. But towards him. This, everyone, is why we can’t allow false information and lies. When things go south, real people get hurt.
But, you want to show everyone that you mean well? Tell the truth.
Acknowledge your own struggles, that Khan didn’t make you say things that weren’t true, but that you maybe got caught up in the moment and made some inaccurate claims. Help him understand that he needs to take a step back, listen to his qualified medical professionals and get some perspective, or he’s at risk of causing lasting damage to his life.
I’m not going to offer you any incentives or promises of being welcomed back. Make this move because it’s the right thing to do. The only “proof” this person has are the words you’ve said. And in defending yourself, you’re insisting we are “destroying your legacy” and that the forum community is casting negative energy your way.
Show us that we’re wrong. Show us that you can make this right.
Hold on just a minute! You mean to say that Hermit and the Brought to light fella are not one and the same?!
Now, that is just some good writing, man. Brava!
This is what I get for not keeping up and skipping episodes. Oh well, now’s a good time as ever to grab that Flavacol, make some popcorn and binge on the reruns
On a serious note, w̶h̶e̶n̶ a̶r̶e̶ t̶h̶e̶ n̶e̶w̶ c̶o̶r̶e̶s̶ c̶o̶m̶i̶n̶g̶ o̶u̶t̶?̶ Erm, I mean, Saint, you’re going above and beyond in dealing with these assaults that are based on absolute horse-radish. Well done; a true reflection of a brilliant leader
@SaintSovereign - I don’t think Hermit and Calm (if they are different people) can truly understand how much value you and the forum have given them (him lol). But they choose to waste our time with this nonsense over and over again.
Hermit, Calm. Listen, if something doesn’t work, either stop or continue with it for longer as long as it isn’t hurting your spiritual, mental, emotional, and physical wellbeing. On top of that, not taking responsibility is the quality of a child. Grow up. This is getting beyond ridiculous. Either accept that Saint and Fire know what they are talking about and use the subliminals to your advantage or simply leave this place in peace.
Saint has sincerely tried to help you each time but you just won’t accept it. How long can a man tolerate this?
Frankly it hurts me to see you trying Saint this way. He’s a good man who along with Fire have made these awesome tools to use the power within us to our advantage. But you guys keep pissing on his efforts.
Hermit. How many long hours have you messaged with Saint as a friend? You know he means very well, is kind-hearted and is knowledgeable about what he is doing. I know cause I too like you have talked with him.
But here you are again making the same shit up! The problem with both of you is that you live in your mind. Please go outside and see the world for what it is. Comfort has made you weak. And made you look for pain in your own mind.
Saint’s advice to lift weights is good. Or at least do some exercise so that you don’t only live in your mind but also allow your body to live.
And focus on making something of yourselves rather than making other people’s lives a living hell.
Too much time has been wasted on you guys and if you return, I really do hope Saint presses charges on you so that we can stop seeing your ridiculous posts here.
EDIT: I would also recommend looking into Joe Dispenza’s works and his meditations. I can’t guarantee anything since am trying his work out right now but something tells me you guys can get some benefit out of it.
I honestly did not follow the complete saga of this user with apparent mystical delusions.
What I don’t understand, perhaps because I didn’t read a post, is how this user went from being an anonymous profile to an identifiable person about whom you (Subclub) know so many verifiable things.
did he send them a document letter or took any legal action?
This individual is trying to “expose us” for “mind control” in our titles, even though we have openly taken his concerns to the community in long discussions TWICE.
He continues to ignore this and return over and over, doxxing customers and barging into our personal lives, leaving fake reviews, etc. to the point where I had to send a legal document. And now I’m officially going to contact the law in his state to request a no-contact order.
This is sad, genuinely sad not in a judgemental way though. Yes on Saint and Fires end this behavior doesn’t get a pass. But I can’t even imagine the whirlwind that’s going through this guys head right now to have this be his reality.
And now, thanks to Hermit’s bullshit, he’s making new claims that he’s “processing the scripts for months and months” after stopping use. But, we all know that’s nonsense as the ONLY people who allegedly have this “issue” is Hermit and “Calm.”
We definitively proved that Hermit was lying about his “experience,” and “Calm” just ignores that and keeps pretending that Hermit is some kind of authority on subliminals. A 21 year old with NO experience, whose “knowledge” amounts to new age stuff.
Even more annoying, in one of his fake reviews, “Calm” made the false claim that we are “into the occult and new age stuff.” And yet, when Hermit spouts new age crap, suddenly he’s fine with it. He comes here claiming he “comes in peace” after leaving a fake review just a few days ago, trying to convince people that the “poster of the review” is mind controlled.
And because of all this, he began digging into our personal lives, doxxing our colleagues and contacting them, even started texting an unpublished Subliminal Club number. We still haven’t told the entire story, because you’d be absolutely flabbergasted at how far this individual went because of this absurdity.
And now, I have officially had enough and they have royally fucked up. @Fire and I both are exceptionally chill individuals. When you start seeing us drop f-bombs, or getting visibly agitated, you have really crossed the line.
It is taking everything in me not to drop $100k on a lawyer and just going after them as hard as humanly possible. The ONLY thing preventing me from doing so is the fact that he is clearly mentally ill and on the 30th of this month, his father is attempting to have him declared incompetent, and will become his legal guardian (Google it – it means that he will no longer have any control over his own life).
We want him to get the help he needs, but not at the expense of our safety and your privacy.
Usually after a ban, Hermit spams the hell out of support with long rambling messages. Where are you now, Hermit – since we’ve thrown down the gauntlet and directly shown how you contributed to this young man’s delusions?
Individual: You guys are putting mind control in your products!
Us: Fine, we’ll ask the ENTIRE COMMUNITY openly if they are experiencing this.
Community: Never had any issues of the sort.
Individual: That’s because you’re all mind controlled!
Us: If there’s mind control in the products, how is it capable that you are here, posting about it? Wouldn’t that mean the mind control failed? And if it failed, that means there’s no mind control?
Individual: Uh… NO! It’s not mind control. The sub is just made wrong and now I’m having recon for months!
Us: Are you still running the title? Why don’t you… just stop?
Individual: I can’t because of the mind control!
