Nop, Im not from the US.
Interesting! Why am I not surprised…
Anyways… I hope this whole matter reaches a healthy closure for you guys.
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This kind of brought something up for me I’ve been thinking about a lot. You guys here at subclub are good people. People with emotional damage and who are unwell typically have trouble in healthy and supportive relationships. There’s always some ulterior motive around the corner or fear because “surely it can’t be this good”. But since you’re getting such a polarized reaction that’s just a testament to how much you guys care. Like two ends of the spectrum here.
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I can understand the frustration of how a couple of bad apples can leave a sour taste. I hope you know you have valued members who have significantly benefited and continue to support your endeavors.
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If this guy has so many complains with the subs why even use it? Just don’t use it or make others around him use it, problem solved. Also maybe use his time doing something productive as he has too much free time.
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just out of curiosity，if I stop running subs for couple months ，how much those effects/results will be left…I have been using subs almost fours years now…from time to time ，I might washout one or two weeks，never more than that…so I am curious….
I didn’t read the post you tagged me in. I will later. I glossed over it so I got the jist
It depends on the nature of the result. There are different types of results.
One type of result is dynamic growth and improvement: to be actively moving in a particular direction. Examples of this: Raising your physical metabolism, quickly learning words, phrases, and elements of new languages; actively seeing new business opportunities; being in a creative flow of artistic expression or real-world projects.
Another type of result is a specific fixed accomplishment: to have attained a specific status or location. Examples: You built a house (not ‘are building’, but ‘built’). You acquired a company. You bought a car. You graduated high school or university.
The first type of result is a dynamic, ongoing process.
That second type of result is established and is, essentially, in the past.
Process-results need to be constantly maintained, and will gradually fall off if they are not maintained.
Fixed, past-based results do not need to be maintained. Once you have graduated high school, you have forever graduated high school. (On the other hand, if you want to return to university and get an additional degree, for example; you’re going to have to do more work again.)
I think that process-based results will gradually fade if they are not maintained. This is not just true for subliminally-facilitated process results. It’s true for all process results.
I think that your fixed, past-based results will generally remain. Again, not just true for subliminals, true for all fixed results. If you purchased the house, you now own that house. If you want to buy another one, then you may need to do more additional work. But the first one, for now, is yours.
So, when thinking about your results and how long they’ll be maintained, consider the type of results in question.
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To me, subs are basically no different than reading a good book and something in the book jumps out at you and changes you.
“One Small Step Can Change Your Life” was one of those books for me. The ideas in there still bounce around in my head years later. So yeah results can happen for a long time after.
I know that isn’t the point of what Saint is reporting with this guy, though. That’s a whole different narrative completely.
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There’s a difference between your results and the processing of the subliminal. That’s what he (and others) aren’t understanding.
If you read a good book or watch a good movie or even hear a song that REALLY moves you, the changes from being inspired will last quite awhile, since you consciously chose to take action.
But eventually, over time, you’ll become desensitized to that stimulus. It won’t have the same effect on you anymore because you’ve already mentally dissected everything and moved on. In other words, the “processing” of the title doesn’t actually last that long.
The conscious changes you made will last much longer. But, as other stimulus starts affecting you, the processing from THAT may alter results.
It’s why “mind control” in a title is useless. Anti-piracy scripting is useless. Regardless of what these other vendors are claiming, it is only through the synthesis of subconscious and conscious action does transformation take place.
So, to “wash a subliminal out” completely, you simply have to consciously decide NOT to do the action.
In the case of this individual, he’d simply have to delete the files so that he can’t run it and keep reaffirming his same beliefs. But what he’s done is created convenient excuses to keep going, because he got laid on Wanted and he wants to KEEP running them.
“I’m being mind controlled into listening. If I stop listening, these deep urges to run them will drive me crazy, so I have to keep running loops.”
Once I brought that concern to the community, and multiple individuals talked about how they came off subs for upwards of half a year with no issue, the narrative pivoted to “I’m processing scripting for months and months,” which was nonsense that Hermit posted.
What Hermit and Calm didn’t tell you is that they also were running morphic fields (@Fire has the proof of Hermit admitting to this), writing their own subliminal scripting and Hermit was engaging in multiple mental practices he took from sacred mystery texts. He was “trying to awaken his kundalini” and kept asking me if I wanted to do so also.
NO. We do not mess with higher principles like that. Our titles stay firmly our wheelhouse of expertise. Persuasion through engaging arguments, which respects your free will.
They mixed all this stuff together and are trying to blame us.
And Calm can claim that he didn’t do so all he wants. I know the truth because I have a particular talent when it comes to remembering things — it’s damn near photographic and much doesn’t get past me.
In the last time he came, he posted this “anti-mind control” script that he allegedly says when feeling the urge to listen.
That script ended with the statement “and so it is.”
Ending a subliminal suggestion with that line is not some kind of hard rule, it’s a convention that would only work with that particular producer’s scripts.
Calm took that from the formerly publicized and very outdated script library from another producer’s website. That producer rightfully took that down to prevent people from doing exactly what Calm did — mixing a bunch of shit and then blaming him.
But he was quite motivated to find it, because you still can on these piracy Discord servers, where Calm claims he first heard of us (among other places — I know what you did, kid).
So what we have here is two individuals who have warped their minds by subjecting themselves to multiple things (which we said not to do and the other producers also say not to do) and are putting the entire blame on us because everyone thinks they can outsmart us.
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Humility is basic armor on the path of transformation.
Grandiosity and excessive attachment really f**k people up.
There are 8 billion people here right now. And an estimated 117 billion people who have ever lived (limiting ourselves to just modern homo sapiens sapiens). Bottom line: If you need to feel like you’re ‘the one’, well…you’re corny.
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What is Thelema?
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In this case? It’s a non sequitur that does not take the conversation to a very useful place.
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My apologies
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Me coming in great mood to read this thread and see upheaval events.
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No big deal. You know you’re my dude.
But right now we’re in the middle of a conversation about two people who are dysfunctionally over-identifying subliminals with esoteric occult practices as a way of avoiding personal responsibility and agency.
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It’s unfortunate that we have to deal with people like this.
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The subs sells itself. The upfront investment I’ve made into these subs for my self development has already paid itself back 10 fold in many areas of my life.
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I wonder if Hermit reached and mastered 5D already, was one of his quests if I can remember correctly.
Is it just subliminalclub going through issues like this or other subliminal companies too, it’s like some people just have it in for Fire and Saint. 
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All companies, or for that matter, anyone in the public eye with any sort of following has a small percentage of shitty customers. Even in my gym, there’s about 1% of them that I wish would quit.
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