Q-Status discussion

#226

This is a reply to Malkuth as well.

Firstly, Tobyone claiming that giving up control gives him more power is clearly not using the same language as any normal person would understand it and is clearly bonkers.

Secondly, religion does still exist because people find it useful. Therefore realbillperrys point about indoctrination from birth IS pointless as it clearly doesn’t address new converts joining or apostasy.

Thirdly, are you seriously trying to claim extraordinary claims don’t require extraordinary proof. Go on, what is your reasoning for this?

Fourthly, Malkuth did come up with verbose word salad. Alright they are not his own words but it is still meaningless. Is Malkuth sincere? I have no reason to doubt that, in fact his number of posts here tends to indicate he is very sincere. Now lets come on to what I actually said and not what you think I said or you want me to say. I said "

I was trying to understand him.

I cannot.

I do not regard this to be a failure on his part.

The onus is on me to understand him because I want to know where he is coming from. An analogy would be I am the “star” of my show and he is an NPC.

There is no meeting of minds, the failure is mine.

Life goes on.

Do you believe in chakras?

How do you know?

Do you understand why “I have a feeling” doesn’t cut the mustard.

Do you believe in “magick”?

What happens if you’re wrong?

How many people will be encouraged to spend time on something that doesn’t work when they could be spending time on something that actually does work?

How would you feel about that? Leading innocent people, some of whom have major problems down the garden path.

Hermit comes across as a genuinely nice person. I am more than happy to let Hermit do Hermit. I am even content for you to do you. Are you willing to let me do me?

#227

Well, it was bound to happen at some point. Set off enough fireworks in a thread and somewhere bells go off and I show up.

This is a very interesting discussion for the Emperor’s Lounge. I mean that, it’s very interesting to me since I’m somewhere in the transition towards believing more in the esoteric so both sides of this have good points to me. I know a lot of people that would read this since they’d be too scared to offend people to ask all these questions.

But it’s too heavy a discussion to throw into a random thread. So, please take it to the Emperor’s Lounge, guys. See if you can drag Saint there too. :slight_smile:

Also, you do sometimes come across as a bit too judgmental when it comes to these topics, @remarkable. Not the first thread I’ve noticed it on. I don’t think you’re doing it on purpose, but it’s happening nonetheless.

Maybe less statements and more questions instead?

And all that… in the Emperor’s Lounge, per favore.

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#228

I thought being cynical and pessimistic was my job on this forum?

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#229

It’s no JCast exclusive, so no royalties for you. :wink:

On the Q-Status front, I would kind of like to know where we are on the process of making the “pre-built” product line (from the subliminalclub.com store) named?

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#230

@DarkPhilosopher I’m still waiting for @SaintSovereign to answer my questions

#231

Well, I can go off topic a bit. Bossman’s prerogative. :stuck_out_tongue:

That being said, let’s do reverse course and head back to discussing the Q-status updates.

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#232

Yes, your metamorphosis from who you previously were has been quite a thing to watch.

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#233

Yes, in the name of practicality.

I have kept my stack on hold as I somehow feel Q+ and U+ are around the corner hence I would restart with them. I also remember you saying that they would be increasingly more powerful than the current builds.

I wait eagerly for their arrival. But it seems you are reluctant to say anything about their launch as of now.

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#234

Having context helps.

“Letting go of control is the ultimate power.” (it helps to quote the person you’re talking about accurately). Looking at the context of that statement, which is everything, he talks about being able to control his inner state, but not external circumstances or the reactions of other people.

Seen in this way, the very reasonable implied statement seems to be just another way of stating the Serenity Prayer. A lot of these statements particularly in the post you were referencing is simply a way of re-framing situations that would otherwise cause internal distress.

I like the way Robert Anton Wilson approached this… consider his experiment of searching for pennies on the street and finding them, then offering 3 or 4 different explanations for why that might be. Ultimately the reason for the outcome of an experiment does not matter in order to obtain results. We don’t need to “prove” the existence of microscopic yeast in order to bake a loaf of bread. We just follow instructions. Sometimes it is possible to be agnostic. Speaking personally, I have had plenty of evidence that something I call magick exists, a dependable something which means if I act in a certain way I get results, but your mileage may vary.

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#235

The previous response aside, I do understand the frustration being voiced. The topics discussed on this forum in trying to understand the results we get from subliminals, in assisting one another, and in describing our own experiences, are by their very nature often fraught with subjectivity. Or in situations such as talking about chakras, magick, religion, G-d etc, we are often dealing with things for which effective language to describe our often subtle experiences simply don’t exist in our language or frame of reference. That doesn’t invalidate the observations, it just means asking one another more clarifying questions to understand another person’s point of view or their language.

If you’re using subliminals, or the subtle reference frames you mentioned, and trying to “prove” they work, you’re going to run into problems. Correlation VS causality, vague statements, people voicing beliefs that may or may not be accurate. It might make it easier to just accept that life can be subjective and messy, and simply adapt to this reality as best you can.

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#236

Problem is that most people have been deceived into believing that God is a person, entity or that it even has form.

While God is the energy that governs all existent life.

From the unformed plane of Aether (cause) to the materially formed plane (effect).

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#237

No! Bad users! Go to your room!

Only semi-joking here. I really want to add my 2 cents but I can’t because it doesn’t belong here. I know how tempting it is to respond since you all have something to say on the matter, but please respect the fact that RVC, Saint and myself have now all asked for this thread to return to its original purpose.

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#238

The original purpose was fulfilled in October.

#239

Is there any planning on new Major Titles for this year?

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#240

Let’s stay on topic, y’all or… THERE WILL BE POST DELETIONS

** cue dramatic music **

:eyes:

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#241

Has anyone experienced muscle spasms when listening to customs ?. A couple of times on first listening i experienced spasms in my arm then after a few seconds it goes away.

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#242

I don’t think muscle spams, but I some times have somatic reactions. Headaches. Stomach aches. Nausea. Perhaps those are spasms of the smooth muscles?

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#243

@SaintSovereign @Fire I’m still confused about the cores of major programs. Does the core include the entire program? If not what is missing or left out?

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#244

As far as my experience goes, mac. This type of subtle spasms or tingling’s a subconscious indicator in which you are receptive to the scripting and programming in question. In fact in custom’s the sensations way more predominant since it’s using your name, rather than the traditional format which may or may not induce this feeling.

My very first loop with my custom back in the day gave me some pressure on my forehead that surprised me. Only noticed this with customs for me.

Basically, you’re getting results all right!

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#245

I have had some light leg muscle spasms when playing a few titles (and even while running a custom) during their very first loop. I don’t remember which titles and custom though

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