PLEASE READ: Qv2 has reached EOL status

[Sage_Ninjistic]

@Invictus

would like to know this as well, as I’m really intrigued to experience what Sage Immortal would be like with the ME-fied ZP primer (ZPv2 is what it’s called I think?).

I was wondering about your profile picture change.

Noice.

[Sage_Ninjistic]

@Trader

I think it’s prudent now that we stop talking about @MadaraChihuahua and get back on track

I read this like 4 times cuz Quantum Limitless told me something was amiss

@friday

They have implemented a DDoS protection after the attack

I was gonna ask about this new screen every time I go on here, cool beans.

[bombayduck]

@WildCard

As I am understanding it, qv2 is kind of a temporary band-aid that masks the internal issues for a while but doesn’t really produce real change

That’s not true, it definitely produces real change.

I guess the best way for me to differentiate Qv2 from ZP would be to look at it through the lens of learning: you can either learn through memorization of a concept’s characteristics through constant repetition and consistency, or you can learn by breaking down and understanding the concept to the point where you intuitively grasp it, and it becomes automatic for you. Qv2 is the former, ZP is the latter.

[SaintSovereign]

@Theacrobat

Calling people “moaning little girls” or assuming that you are just part of statistics, dismissed as the small group of people that never accepts new technology don’t seem to me the best way to address discrepancy.

I didn’t call anyone a “moaning little girl,” so I’m assuming you’re referring to someone else in this thread. However, I will address some of your other concerns. You are not being dismissed, at least not by @Fire and myself.

Your concerns – if they are legitimate – are just too late. We ran the ZP Public Preview for quite a few months now and none of these issues manifested until we decided to move forward. This pattern occurs every SINGLE time we decide to move with new tech. It happened with New Dawn. It happened with Qv1. It happened with Qv2. Every single time.

@Theacrobat

The thing is that ZP fits more in the category of new product rather than just simply upgrading.

Incorrect. We took the lessons we learned from Qv2, left our minds completely open to innovation and came up with a new style of scripting that’s still honors what we’ve done in the past.

@Theacrobat

You can’t advertise Paragon or Libertine, examples i previously used, using Q success as a backing history for the new product.

Fine, we’ll use the reviews from the ZP version, which have been more blatant, more obvious, with more people hitting the target goal. @Lion has an extraordinary story involving his mother. Someone else here, just a few days ago, reported having their terrible dandruff that they’ve suffered from for years healed. Another person said their foot, which was broken or strained, healed in about three days.

Go look at @friday 's journal for his Libertine review. Look at @Invictus. Look at @Saiyan4Blue. Even @WildCard, who claims ZP has removed all of this results, posted this on February 23:

@WildCard

I ran a loop last night and fell asleep shortly thereafter.

I was around a lot of females today and I was the most popular dish in the building by far. Married women were having buyers remorse in front of their poor husbands eyes.

One said I looked great and was glowing. That was the first thing she said to me.

Many others were locked on to me all day. Aura was activated for sure.

Shall I keep going? Almost every single program we’ve released in ZP, except maybe Limitless, has gotten much better reception and acceptance over their Qv2 counterparts.

Qv2 is EoL. It’s not coming back. We’re not going to comb through all of our websites and marketing material to remove reviews because some of you don’t understand the difference between Qv2 and ZP. We do. We know what we’re doing.

[Avengers68]

I enjoy Qv2. For example I use Fitness Qv2 when I am running not ZP. Depending of the title I will use ZP or Qv2. Sorry if I look a dinosaur

[AlexanderGraves]

I can also bring my Wanted ZP physical changes image back from the testing phase:

Mind you this was while testing, no idea how close this is to the current version since I haven’t ran Wanted since then, but still.

ZP works, brother. And it works freaking well.

[rqx]

Chad.

[AlexanderGraves]

On another note, hasn’t everything been said on this thread?

QV2 is gone. ZP the new king.

Why are we still debating this?

[Skadoosh]

@WildCard

As I am understanding it, qv2 is kind of a temporary band-aid that masks the internal issues for a while but doesn’t really produce real change. As for ZP, it changes you at the most inner core of your belief system, possibly at a more permanent level.

I am kind of confused however at ZP bringing the inner you to the outer world. I mean, if I’m not naturally the most primal seductive man at the core, then won’t it just bring out those inner limiting beliefs and show them to the world? That is kind of how I felt running ZP.

On qv2 there was no anxiety, nerves or doubts at play whatsoever. On ZP all those things came back and I felt really wishy-washy most of the time. I even told a girl that I liked her with unsatisfactory results. This never happened on qv2 with anyone and the results were out of this world.

Qv2 definitely produces real and permanent change. I like the analogy but it can be taken as downplaying serious work and tools that are powerful in their own right when we’re comparing them to “temporary band-aids”. So we have to be careful with that, lol

But yeah, lol

In my opinion, it’s like a temporary band-aid that starts becoming real and permanent overtime and starts leaking into you and spreading slowly… but the potential of how much it can spread, is relative and definitely capped/won’t reach 100% because certain parts of your system are going to resist it hard and so strongly that it’s going to just work around it and manifest itself around it. Such as the case with the “God Complex” Khans… See they have the band-aid and it’s in their system to a degree but it only surrounds and never touches the deepest/truest parts of their system (the lack of self love/worth and trauma). The hyper narcissism/superiority mode is merely an expression of both mixed together. The sub doesn’t address core beliefs for many and manifests around it, because of the resistance. There is a block in the form of fear. ZP doesn’t care about your blocks, it will make you aware of the parts of yourself you’re suppressing and not willing to face because that’s the road to real change and congruence.

Fascinating stuff, eh? lol

ZP is the opposite, it’s like deep medication that enters your system and changes everything from the inside out and the real/permanent change is always 100%.

The temporary band-aid effects are quick and noticeable and is exactly what people are truly referring to when they perceive Qv2 to be better than ZP. It’s exactly like I said, they don’t understand results. Long-term they will get left in the dust, because they’ll always be operating within that capped bubble of expression. Meanwhile everyone is transforming like crazy, experiencing profound shifts and going further and beyond into the depths of manifestation and what they’re capable of with affecting reality. This forum is going to look a lot different in a year or 2.

Before PSZP, I got slightly intimidated by attractive women and my approach game was non-existent.
I went through deep changes on that sub, I had a similar situation as you where I tried and failed, lol.

That’s what changes you deeply, it’s the perceptual shifts, the realizations, etc. I was taking action like crazy and learned so much, it’s like I leveled up and stayed there. It hardly left me, I can now approach and do all the PSZP stuff without it because it’s who I am now. Does that make sense?

ZP helps you become a new you, it’s like the reality changed.

[ksub]

@AlexanderGraves

On another note, hasn’t everything been said on this thread?

QV2 is gone. ZP the new king.

Why are we still debating this?

The King is dead. Long live the King! May ZP’s reign bring us even more blessings than QV2’s!

[Theacrobat]

Thanks for the respectful explanation

[Moon]

@AlexanderGraves

Why are we still debating this?

Honestly Man, I have no idea. It’s over. It’s removed and people are still going on about it.

[Theacrobat]

Maybe because Saint said Qv2 probably will
be uploaded and stored in a different section and some of us are lobbying for this to effectively happen

[pacman]

Howsit Dawgs.
Can we move forward with ZP?

[Sage_Ninjistic]

@Yazooneh

Beautifully said bro. Sometimes on an alpha program you’re going to feel like the world’s weakest man but we are mature enough with growth to know there’s no other way Round it

I also seem to have an utmost trust in programs when there is this resistance and recon because it shows it wasn’t made just to satisfy my consumer senses but to actually change me forward into the target archetype

Yeah, my Emperor custom is the first time in ZP I can think of that I’ve experienced recon. Before that, I felt solid. Self-assured. Etc etc.

The last couple of days I’ve felt like women are better than me, that I have to keep my eyes down around dudes even when I’m consciously wanting to make eye contact, unhappy with some of my material circumstances, my lady gets under my skin, feeling rushed for this that and the other, an annoying under the skin pimple decided to show up on the tip of my nose…

And yet each and every one of those things I can trace to my stack and see what’s possibly being worked through in order to reveal something underneath.

Even without subliminals, when someone is manifesting something, most of us have noticed that there sometimes seems to be a ‘step backwards phase’. I’ve certainly seen it.

S’all a part of the process.

P.S. QL ST1-2 haven’t given me mentionable recon though, big shout out to dem.

[Lion]

@SaintSovereign - man, seriously. Now I suddenly empathise with other submakers when they upgrade their build technology and make an altogether new product and charge exorbitant rates for the upgrade. At least they don’t have to debate with their customers when this happens.

Here we get a superior free upgrade and we are debating the merits and demerits of the upgrade even when objectively we get better results with the new build.

I don’t think anything more can be said to those who disagree.

[Saiyan4Blue]

Why is everyone forgeting the most important thing… ZPs are 15 min long unlike the previous versions. Less time, less loops is the way to go

[RockyHandsome]

I think Saint commented that the QV2 products might be set aside to be displayed in the museum section to be displayed as artefacts and possibly for sale to those who wish to buy vintage subs.

MadaraUchiha may then have the option to visit this museum and buy vintage products.

[Lion]

@Saiyan4Blue

Why is everyone forgeting the most important thing… ZPs are 15 min long unlike the previous versions

1. Less runtime (and getting even lesser @ 3 minutes)

2. Smoother Masked track

3. Less reconciliation

4. Subliminal programming at the very center of your origin. The zero point

5. Less energy intensive

6. Better mood

7. Faster integration with the self

8. Faster manifestations

9. A more natural subliminal build. Way less brute force

10. Foundation for even better builds in the future

11. Way ahead of the competition with the ZP build

12. ZP subliminal effect lasts for longer duration of time

13. NO TINNITUS

[bombayduck]

ZP vs Qv2 Which to use?

If all things between ZP and Qv2 were identical, ZP would still be a better option by virtue of having a 15-minute runtime (which IMO is actually better at 7 minutes), versus an hour. That alone makes ZP the best subliminal technology on planet Earth.