@Simon provided an excellent reason as to why the source of the breakout would be from WZP: a rapid increase in testosterone. That’s been my suspicion as well. It’s also one of the stated objectives as per the creators themselves.
And like I said, you have no idea about my situation so you’re just making assumptions at this point to fit your narrative. If virtually every variable that could account for a breakout remains unchanged except for one, it would be logical to identify that variable as the source of the issue. Logic isn’t exactly used often by cult members though.
Hate to break it to you but my results have been great with every sub I’ve run, including Wanted ZP. I spoke about a potential negative that could be experienced by others because I myself experienced it, and here you are trying to gaslight me into thinking otherwise.
Like I said before, some of us treat this place like a community of research while others want to subscribe to a cult. I’ll stay with the former, thank you very much.
Mate nothing personal. You came outta nowhere to add fuel to the fire on the topic. But you want immunity because you ‘don’t appreciate it’
You’re right. This is a community. We give and take and no idea is immune to scrutiny (again I don’t know you so don’t take it personally. Your idea was good raw meat for a good point to be brought out by some of us and I won’t take it back)
Simon provided one hypothesis but there are 100 others that are equally or more likely. Just search for “first time breakout, causes“ and you will find millions of results, and a lot more potential causes.
If you want to observe it scientifically, take a washout from Wanted for 3 weeks. Listen to one loop of Wanted and observe if you get another breakout. Repeat this experiment 3 times.
The entire point of this community is to provide and share honest feedback about this experimental technology.
I’m not going to mince my words when I say this, but I truly believe that these supposed few forum members that think ZP isn’t better than Qv2 or other versions have to be certified idiots because there’s no other way to look at it otherwise. If 98 out of 100 people claim A is better than B, for these people to pivot towards B without any justification except for the experiences of others is genuinely foolish.
Agreed on the latter part definitely. I agree that Qv2 should be removed solely for that reason; provides too much confusion for new members.
@bombayduck - awesome. Now lets not have any more of these Qv2 vs ZP comments here anymore. We don’t intend it but this conversation isn’t useful for this thread.
True @ honest feedback. And now ZP is official and not experimental anymore. Lets share our ZP experiences and help to improve on it for the next build version.
It reminds back of the time when I listened to my very first subliminal from subliminalclub in 2018. It was Emperor, Emperor v2 I think. That sub was NO JOKE hahah. We are all spoiled with the new smooth and polished versions of Q and ZP… Emperor v2 was TOUGH. I always ended up in FIGHTS with people. They did not always end well, but most of the time the other guy looked like a total idiot
Calling people “moaning little girls” or assuming that you are just part of statistics, dismissed as the small group of people that never accepts new technology don’t seem to me the best way to address discrepancy.
My concern is honest and reasonable. I won’t make a tantrum cause Qv2 is gone but to stay silenced due to some harsh criticism displayed by some users that are over self-identified with a product is not right.
The thing is that ZP fits more in the category of new product rather than just simply upgrading. The fact that you called it ZP and not Qv3 is just a hint.
The analogy with the music world:
Valvular amps get improved all the time from a history line point of view.
Solid state amps are a new tech not just an upgrading of tube amps.
Although valve amps are older, some people still prefer this kind of products.
Amp sellers now sell not only tube amps, and SS amps but hybrid amps with digital features. People find value in all of them and every subset of product is upgraded once in a while.
Removing Q completely (1, 2) leaves you with a new product without “field history”. All the Q experiences shared in this forum, that maybe were the motivation for some users to buy titles, is suddenly discontinued and has no value ( beyond anecdotal) in regards to the new product.
You can’t advertise Paragon or Libertine, examples i previously used, using Q success as a backing history for the new product. Specially when the new tech is a radically different one ( not just a matter of “more powerful, more this, more that”, it works in a totally different way).
You can still convey attention to the quality history of your previous products, that’s another story.
It’s not the end of the world, if you can’t find Valve amps you will still play with SS amps but you shouldn’t try to belittle people concerns just because they still love or find more useful another kind of tech.
Wanted ZP definitely raises testosterone and affects your hormones. Anyone who has any kind of long-term experience with subliminals and has a strong mind-body connection awareness will easy notice that their testosterone is higher.
I had minor acne here and there on Wanted ZP (especially initially), I mean when your testosterone skyrockets and you’re going through hormonal changes, it can happen… but you stabilize.
It’s kind of like a 2nd puberty, lol
Your skin can also be detoxing to look better. I once slept the whole day on Wanted ZP because I was so tired. I took a nap and entered deep sleep like a teenager.
This is what I’m talking about when I say people lack knowledge, it’s very easy to panic or just veto these results.
You’re literally having intense physical and noticeable change in your biology after 1 loop… IN the direction of the sub’s goals (turning you into a irresistibly sexy chick magnet) but because it’s not linear and you don’t fully understand what’s happening… “Qv2 is better”. I don’t get it lol
I completely get where you’re coming from.
When you use PS, Wanted and Libertine Qv2 in a stack. Qv2 leans more towards your external behavior, your mood, etc it’s pretty much a strong, solid state shift with of course long term changes.
When you used the same titles in ZP, well first of all that’s a lot of stuff going on with high probablity of recon off the bat.
I would start with 1 title and then gauge yourself instead of just running 3 suddenly.
What happens is that there is so much deep change going on in your Congruent Self, it’s going to bring stuff out of you and make you face things so you REALLY become that guy.
You didn’t REALLY become that guy on Qv2, because when you got off the subs… were you still that primal seducer? Guys that ARE, don’t lose the mojo.
There’s a difference between being someone versus acting like someone, and I’m not saying that Qv2 is completely superficial… that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying it leans more superficially and what you or anyone else REALLY wants is the deep, congruent change. That’s when the next level stuff starts happening and your entire reality starts bending as well as the most self-growth.
I said this in another thread, (just my theory) but the way it seems to me that ZP works is by starting from your deepest core and then pushing outwards.
Qv2 seems to work by starting outwards and pushing inwards towards the deep core like a force, with the deep core (your current congruent self) resisting it.
This manifests as a certain level of outer embodiment but a lack of complete and deep congruence.
Because of that embodiment, it’s still hitting some level of your inner core, especially more so overtime and causing long-term development, so there is also manifestation.
But manifestation on Qv2 will never be as powerful as ZP because ZP starts from the baseline.
ZP:
Inner Self (the root of manifestation) —> Pushing out ----> Your mood, state, present moment AND long term mentality, behavior, etc
You notice powerful shifts as it pushes out.
Qv2:
Your mood, state, present moment mentality, behavior, etc —> Pushing in —> Inner Self (the root of manifestation)
So you get manifestation on Qv2 the more that it pushes into and changes your Congruent Self, but because the change is not originating purely within it from the get go, there is strong resistance.
This means that there is only a degree of embodiment in the Congruent self, and in some cases ZERO for certain individuals. Yes, zero. lol. You heard that that right.
That’s why you see guys that ran past versions of Khan for months and months yet when you put a magnifying glass on their congruent self, it’s as if there is no trace of a Khan there.
It’s because their time with Khan hasn’t been a congruent shift, it’s all been outer. It’s been pushed in, but only to an extent and that’s where Qv2 caps out. ZP doesn’t have that cap, because it STARTS from the deepest part of you.
That’s where all these “god complexes” come from and get amplified, it’s because the congruent self which hasn’t changed (still low self worth and traumatized) is being expressed through the outer changes.
ZP is 100% congruent guaranteed, for everyone and resultantly 100% outer guaranteed.
Qv2 is 100% outer guaranteed but 0% to I’d say 50% congruent guaranteed. This is because the change is not starting from within your deep beliefs, it’s a force pushing in and the current congruent self is going to resist it strongly.
Your congruent inner self is the driver of manifestation. The more congruent you are, the more powerful your manifestation will be… so ZP is stronger manifestation automatically.
I hope this is all making sense, lol.
Long term, ZP is superior on all levels, there is no debate. But hey, it’s your choice if you wanna get left in the dust, lol
(This is all just my theory and if the moderators feel like it’s misleading or delivered with too much authoritativeness on the nature of their products, they’re free to remove or edit it).
I never said that. I said that I had a ‘better experience’ but nowhere have I ever said that Qv2 was better. And it’s true, but my experience between both subs weren’t equivalent experiences so they are hard to compare side-by-side.
Even @Abhishek can attest to this, he personally PMed me about subs (including Wanted) a few months ago and I was honest with my experience but I also made it clear to him that I felt that WZP was better and guess what? He chose to use WZP.
So I don’t understand this witchhunt going on right now because I dared to be honest about what occured. Also if you had read my replies, I absolutely agreed with @Simon’s assessment regarding testosterone. And if you did read any of my replies, you would have noticed that I had not only cited positive experiences with Wanted ZP as well, but I also clearly stated that despite the breakout I continued to run Wanted ZP. So please, do not place words in my mouth especially when I’ve stated the exact opposite of your claim.
Im fine with the changes. All of the different files were confusing.
Have 1 ZP file to listen to 3 times a week, and taking that 3rd day off on the 3rd week of the month for a 4 day cleanse has been the easiest schedule to follow.
Im stoked they keep improving. Seeing great results with limitless
@Skadoosh Man I really enjoyed this breakdown. You have some very good points.
As I am understanding it, qv2 is kind of a temporary band-aid that masks the internal issues for a while but doesn’t really produce real change. As for ZP, it changes you at the most inner core of your belief system, possibly at a more permanent level.
I am kind of confused however at ZP bringing the inner you to the outer world. I mean, if I’m not naturally the most primal seductive man at the core, then won’t it just bring out those inner limiting beliefs and show them to the world? That is kind of how I felt running ZP.
On qv2 there was no anxiety, nerves or doubts at play whatsoever. On ZP all those things came back and I felt really wishy-washy most of the time. I even told a girl that I liked her with unsatisfactory results. This never happened on qv2 with anyone and the results were out of this world.
I will make the transition to ZP as I am listening to what you and others are saying about it.
