An old Chinese saying says: not the one who ate the most but the one who digested the most.
I use a boa constrictor strategy: I “eat” as much as I can (4 loops a day, five days a week+one day for running one loop of AC=the icing on the cake) and then let my mind do the work when digesting “the food” (one-week wash out). That works for me best.
I think that’s more likely an ancient Varunan proverb.
We should point out that this is an experimental exposure pattern by a user who has already run Sub Club subliminals for multiple years, has been through all of Dragon Reborn at least once, and is currently following a more individualized path.
Also, if it becomes too much, he’s wise enough to adjust it.
That’s right. One needs to get a feel of how Mental Alchemy works for them. The recommended pattern is universal and sticking with it yields good results as well and, first of all, it’s the best starting point for Zero Point.
Honestly @James , in the nicest way possible, I’d suggest you just give it a try and see for your own experience.
I’ve noticed you have a harder time grasping certain concepts, which I do too, so the best way to counter that for this particular instance is give it a try and see for yourself.
When I played CFW more than once per week in January I had recon. When I played it once per week in August I could feel it healing me but I felt more of the love and positivity.
Same for the Dragon Reborn. I literally played DR once Monday last week and I felt the effects for 6 or so days. The stuff it bought up was crazy for one loop.
@friday and obviously Saint/Fire are onto something with the whole less loops. They’ve been saying it for a while.
I plan on five minutes every other day, not just once a week.
I based this decision on analyzing my current recon – I’m having good results besides the recent recon so this is an experiment to see if dropping the amount A) reduces the recon, B) still obtains results and C) are those results any stronger? I’ll update you on my findings 
@James : Overthinking the process is the start of self-sabotage. Don’t do that to yourself.
This is simple. Start with 5 minutes every other day. If it’s easy to handle, then go to 7 minutes. When 7 minutes doesn’t feel like it’s creating reconciliation, gradually work your way to 15 minutes. Since your were talking about EOG1, you should probably run it for multiple rounds. I would do 5 minutes for the first round, 7 minutes for the second one, 9 minutes for the third round and 11 minutes for the 4 round and so on.
Just the run the sub and don’t overthink the process. I know what self-sabotage looks like. A lot of times it start with overthinking simple things.
@ksub I will do that. I feel that without knowing how dense the script or sub itself is it just seems that five minutes wouldn’t do a whole lot. You’re correct in that I am definitely over thinking this.
I used to think the same way. That’s why I never tried Mind’s Eye. I was always under the impression that it is a very dense sub. I was wasn’t sure how that could work with Emperor (that I was running at the time). Then not too long ago, I read that Mind’s Eye is actually a light script. Bottom line, I still don’t know how dense it is. Does it matter? Not really! The best I can do is too actually run it and see for myself. HoM is supposed to be one of the most dense sub but some people have had fast results with it. You just can’t know how you’d react to a sub until you run it. Just run it!!! 
Maybe it’s a normal progression that once the foundation is internalized, a small push is enough to trigger an avalanche
@James Think of it like this. If you’re overloading yourself that’s when you’re delaying results. It’s better to take it in easy amounts which are readily processed by your mind. We are far far beyond conventional subliminal listening structure that’s been around for years now. I know it’s hard to believe 5 minutes can do anything, but it does. I had a post here that might be useful for you try. Have to find it. The “had enough” feeling can manifest as a inner tension for me, slight agitation. Ideally you want to get your listening down to before that agitation happens. That’s the alert from my body that things past that point aren’t gonna end well for me.
Well, if you lay one brick a day, with enough patience, eventually you will have build a house right?
See, the truth is that house will have taken no effort.
But you can also force yourself to build that same house in a month, working day and night to exhaustion. Perhaps it will cost you the same amount of time to heal and recover from that exhaustion, or you may have never finished the construction because it caused you to become “burned out”…
If we hold a frame of mind long enough, it will start manifesting, and it will manifest stronger and stronger the longer we feed into that reality.
It will become a “truth” we start living.
And I see this becoming the goal of Zero Point.
To build, and to build slowly, but with persistence and patience until eventually the the believes (seeds) that we have implanted have become living truths. Not asking of us to become dependant upon a subliminal program, but the program having led us to natural and real inward growth that manifests outwardly.
But all growth takes time.
You can chase it hard, and work towards it fast or seek to walk with patience and enjoy the journey until you arrive at last, having both found the path to be enjoyable and meanwhile being grateful and satisfied once you have arrived—perhaps setting a new destination thereafter?
I feel this is best understood that the program is more of a journey, that each time we listen it allows the necessary (internal) changes, taking us ever closer towards the reality we desire, until eventually we reach this reality (both inwardly and outwardly), and it becomes a living truth. No longer become dependant upon the program, as the memories and experiences of this living truth have now shaped who we are.
So, you can go run towards your destination hard, you may tremble and fall, and experience a lot of reconciliation, or you can go slow like the turtle and arrive with grace and ease.
I prefer the path of grace and ease, there is no reason for us to become exhausted or overwhelmed. And with Zero Point, while it is extremely powerful, we can still adjust our phase according to our preferences — and that’s what this support article is all about.
Essentially, you can have better results listening just once a week if the house has been build, enjoy it and living in it, than the person who is still building the house bus has never even reached construction… having build half the house in a month but never finished…
But the person who build it in a year, doing little work a month, at a comfortable phase, and has finished constructing after a solid year may after all enjoy family dinners, and whatever else.
So while symbolic, this articulates that a listening more to Zero Point does increase speed and velocity at which we change, but if it is more than we can actively act on, and too much for us to handle — it will become a detriment to our growth.
Much like how a Bugatti on a free road, can reach it’s destination faster than someone on a bicycle, eventually both will arrive at the destination (having equal results).
But see results is the outcome, it is not determined by how much we listen and this is a proven fact.
That same Bugatti might as well crash and never reach the destination, while the person on the bicycle may have taken longer to arrive, might as well arrive safely, and with at least arrive…
I feel with Zero Point, myself included, many have overextended themselves. Instead of building proper momentum. Zero Point is powerful and overexposure in whatever form will lead to coming to a halt (stonewalling) or having diminishing returns.
Acknowledging this wise Truth…
“Once upon a time a Tortoise and a Rabbit had an argument about who was faster. soon finished the race, emerging as the undisputed champ. The rabbit woke up and realized that he’d lost the race.” The moral of the story is that slow and steady wins the race.
I never saw the reason for tremendous power in the programs, Zero Point may cause much distress and discomfort while we might as well go to slow and steady, arriving at last.
So much “reconciliation” which is truly unnecessary.
The essence of this story is that if your goal is to achieve something, and you are persistent and consistent, but go at a viable and comfortable speed. The process of manifesting that desired goal must not be a discomfortable one, but may be one of joy, ease and grace… to enjoy the journey of the process as much as the seeking the satisfaction of arriving at the destination.
So build that fortress slowly, and at a phase comfortable to your own.
We each have such a different momentum, this is why I see Zero Point and especially the listening instructions not as universal, for some it may be at their comfort, while others at their disstress. And this is the issue because often our friends here in the community compare listening schedules, density of programs, etc while we are so unique and individual, that truly, we need instructions personal to our own.
I used to have massive momentum, I lost that momentum and now I’m struggling to regain it because the tools have become so powerful…
I lose sight of what’s real, and what’s false because of the tremendous mental changes that occur when switch programs. So powerful is ZP for me.
This is just honest feedback from my experience with ZP.
Five minutes of ZP is the equivalent of listening to a Qv2 for 4-5 hours (theoretically), and is built in a way where you process the title for three weeks afterward.
Have you ever heard a song or seen a short video that stuck with you for awhile?
Who in the United States remembers those damn save the puppies, in the arms of the angels commercials?
If you laughed or had a fond memory of it just now, pn some level, you just “processed” that information.
Same concept.
We didn’t intend for it to be so strong, and even nerfed the power for the production release. The testing version was much more powerful, but had worse recon.
The power/results of it right? Not the actual processing load? Qv2 I never went beyond a single loop, I couldn’t imagine listening to Qv2 for 4-5 hours and being coherent in any way.
This may be a dumb question but…are these instructions for customs only or does it include ZP store titles as well?
For both.
“You can also lower the exposure time per loop. By this, we mean that you can stop the subliminal at 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, or 13 minutes.
Please note that in some custom titles, 3 minutes might not expose you to the entire script. But in MOST cases, you should be okay. Generally speaking, if you have more than 2 cores in a custom subliminal, stick with 5 minutes. Many of our forum users have used 3-5 minutes with great results.
As for the major titles, three minutes should be enough for full exposure. If you want to be on the absolute safe side, stick with five minutes.
Over time, you can slowly increase the exposure time. If the higher exposure time doesn’t trigger reconciliation, you can continue to stay at that level, or increase exposure until you find your “sweet spot.”
Is that the official view of SubClub? I don’t remember reading this anywhere.
Yes. It was quoted from the official link in the first post.
Thanks !
wow
I couldn’t handle Terminus, hated it. But with ZP I experience almost ZERO recon, even with 4 cores in my custom.