Main Idea Thread: Heartsong

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#22

  • One of the most important questions in this discussion will be “why would a feature be in heartsong instead of primal romance?? They should be very synergistic titles, but different.

  • When Primal Romance comes out I think it should certainly have elements of whatever heartsong becomes.

  • Heartsong could become like a “Revelation Of The Heart” type title I think there’s some wisdom to that. Not everything is suited to manifestation. I don’t have much of an argument for that rn but it’s something to think about

  • I dislike the idea of a “soulmate” in a title as it causes problems.

  • If you’re so busy manifesting your “soulmate” you’ll miss out on the relationship that teaches you the lessons you need to be ready for your soulmate.

  • The very act of wanting a soulmate could itself be described as scarcity thinking aka “I never want to feel rejection/heartbreak again so I need my next partner to be the one I’m with forever and who never leaves me.”

  • if you’re manifesting your “forever partner” then, like @JCDenton said, where is the place in your life for someone who you have an intense connection with but logistical barriers to dating.

  • why is a subliminal focused on a soulmate at all instead of creating that feeling of “I was born to meet this person” in EVERY single interaction you have?”

  • not every single person is meant to be your soulmate but there is an ideal dynamic you could have with every single person. Rather than originating from you, it could originate from your dynamic itself with them. Truly maximizing your potential relationship with each and every person (romantic) in your life. Some partners you meet may be destined for a day, or a week, or a season, or a year, or a decade, or a lifetime. But there’s some beauty in appreciating the beginning, middle, and end of every relationship, and making the most of them, opposed to looking solely for the one relationship that never ends.

What are the qualities of a soulmate that could be developed within one’s self instead of being externalized.

  • truly knowing what you want in life and feeling like you genuinely want to be wherever you are. (You can’t build a relationship in a city if you constantly want to run away from that city… from personal experience, I may have had “soulmates” in the past that I sabotaged simply because they wanted to live in the city we both lived in and I wanted to move.)
  • a feeling that you’re seen, felt, fully understood when you communicate, and that when you share the deepest parts of yourself you’re glad that you did so,
  • the parts of you that don’t want connection, don’t want love, are afraid of love, have unresolved parental issues, need to be healed, I think heartsong could benefit from the reforged treatment opposed to traditional manifestation scripting
  • an intense amount of gratitude and appreciation for the people in your life.
  • being able to be clear, bold, and brave in asking for what you want. One day you’ll fall in love with someone and see yourself with them for the rest of your life, but it’ll take leadership to make that happen.
  • in love, your ego has to drop, and your independence needs to expand to take care of more than just yourself. Love isn’t all just good feelings and fun, it’s taking care of each other in old age, it’s being willing to change each other’s diapers, change your kid’s diapers, make decisions that are best for the family/couple instead of just best for the individual. My own journey with that has required me to reflect on the very nature of stability, providership, protectiveness, love, loyalty, commitment, risk, freedom, and even the “meaning of life”.
  • the tough thing about any sort of “soulmate” is I feel it should be surprised. You can’t decide who your soulmate would be because you’re in love with them or they’re beautiful, no more than you can plan who your best friend would be.
  • all the most successful marriages I know have people saying that their partner is their best friend.

I would rather see heartsong be a revelation/reforged/healing title than a manifestation title. Use your ideal seduction sub to find your “soulmate” when you’re ready, we don’t need another “attract women” title, we need a healing title to be ready for that person when they come. Seduction subs will find them, and primal romance will help you keep them, but since a soulmate is a thing you need to be ready for we need a sub to help us be ready for it. (If there’s so much recon around love then this is the opportunity to have a title that heals love)

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#23

Beautifully said

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#24

From Divine Diamond:

It’s like a catalyst that helps you and your partner not just exchange, but also cultivate and channel the sexual energy in a more purposeful way — toward transcendent connection and emotion toward each other. This isn’t just about pleasure; it’s about mutual growth and connection on a more holistic level.

  • Foster and cultivate deeper connections in relationships, intertwining the physical with the spiritual.
  • Encourage mutual growth and holistic development in areas such as health, energy levels, and personal evolution.
  • Strengthen the bonds of affection and make your presence irresistible to your partner.
  • Attune and harmonize the energies between partners, fostering a sense of synchronicity and deeper understanding.
  • Enrich communication and comfort levels in the relationship, making conversations more meaningful and silences more enjoyable.

Im staring to see a progression from Heartsong to Divine Diamond, a path that makes Heartsong like a Heart centered DD. Obviously with more width and depth, since its foundational.
It can have elements of Primal Romance too, but PR is more situational I believe and Hearsong should build from the ground up.

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#25

This conversation is happening at an interesting time in my life because only now am I truly ready to find my soulmate…

A couple of things had to happen for me in order to even be ready for that

First of all, I have to be done having casual sex with women, and I have to develop the appreciation of the fact that the deepest satisfaction I’ve had in partnerships comes from long lasting trust, not from short term intensity

Now that I’m more ready for a soulmate, I’ve had to immediately become extremely happy being single while I wait for that person to show up in my life… being happy being single until you find your genuine soulmate is so important because if you’re not happy being single, then you’ll get in a relationship with the next person that is willing to be in one with you

I had to develop true self-worth and tell myself that I’m amazing and that when I finally fall madly in love with someone and deeply respect them, that I deserve for them to fall madly in love with me and deeply respect me too

Not just a life worth living, but a life worth loving, whether I’m single or with somebody

I had to realize that there’s no one person that can complete me, I’m already complete, and that joy for life is something that I can share with somebody

Now that I’m ready for a serious relationship, I find myself saying no a lot more to connections that would waste my time and not really serve me. I’m less attached than I used to be towards the idea of sex to fill the time. Now I like my own company so much that if I have a bit of an empty connection with a woman I reflect on why I even wanted to do that in the first place, and I reflect on the fact that I want to share something deep with a woman, not just have the joy of seducing a woman

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#26

Posted this a month ago on the Heartsong thread.

I’ll let you have it. :wink:

As for a soulmate, a soulmate to me would be someone who is kind, honest, loyal, and loving. I think those are safe, universal qualities. I’m not sure how many users would want the opposite of the those qualities. Physically you can describe her as the woman of the users dreams. If you were to take the concept of soulmate out, I think those qualities are a good place to start.

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#27

Calling someone a “soulmate” comes from feeling that someone you have “completes” you in some way - thus, a subliminal for finding your soulmate, to me, must start with feeling complete on your own so that you may feel complete with anyone you date

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#28

I dislike this notion that Heartsong should help you find your ideal style (monogamous/polyamorous).

I think that’s totally irrelevant to the conversation of how to connect with someone’s soul. Soulmate should transcend labels. Also, I know couple who started as polyamorous but then became monogamous together… and I know couple who were monogamous and then opened up. Souls transcend labels, and when two people are willing to come to the table and talk about what makes the most sense for both of them, nothing should be truly off limits and nothing should be pre-decided apart from your commitment to that person.

Let the polyamory/monogamy type soul searching come from seduction subs, or even primal romance, because those are about finding relationships (seduction subs) and about communicating ideally in a relationship (primal romance)

(In my world where I see heartsong as a healing/reforged/revelation title like “revelation of the heart”)

Even HEARTsong itself implies something internal, your heart is within you, not external. A person can change the way your heart feels, not literally become your heart.

Instead of heartsong helping you find your relationship style, I much prefer the idea that it prepares you for the depths of connection where any style is possible, and eliminates the fear/jealousy/concern/avoidance/attachment that would make someone prefer one over the other.

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#29

Im not crying, something got into my eye.

Joke aside, I fully align with the sentiment you expressed here and its what Im also wanting to instill in the New Heartsong.

Thats the sense of adventure, I was talking about before, you managed to describe it way better.

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#31

I think when people talk about “soulmates”, they mean there’s a sense of destiny or inevitability in the connection (e.g., love at first sight, “I knew she was the one the second I laid eyes on her” kind of vibe).

  • A sense of magic in the connection
  • An energetic magnetism between the two that transcends simple physical attraction (i.e., they feel compelled or magnetically drawn towards one another - in a way that feels predestined and like outside forces are making happen, and yet, neither wants to resist because of how joyful this experience feels)
  • Compatibility on all levels - physical compatibility (you are each other’s ideal), sexual compatibility, values compatibility, personality compatibility, humor compatibility, love language compatibility, etc.
  • Worthiness scripting that’s rooted in feeling so settled in yourself (inspired by PEACE, WDB, LBFH), that you feel worthy and deserving of such a perfect person. A lot of us have a tendency to self-sabotage or feel unworthy in the presence of someone you view as your ideal 10/10. Some NSE style manifestation scripting for building confidence and self-worth through the lived experience of being desired by those you find the most attractive would be very beneficial.
  • Authenticity and vulnerability is a huge component. The ideal relationship, in many people’s minds, is to cultivate a deep connection with your perfect partner without having to wear a mask or perform a certain way to “win”/maintain that person’s approval. Being loved for simply being your authentic self and, in turn, loving your partner for who they truly are as well.
  • Someone you can relax around, completely let your guard down, and be unashamedly yourself without fear that they will think less of you, or weaponize your vulnerability against you. So you both can relax completely and melt into the love rather than it being something you have to earn, prove, or receive if certain conditions are met. (Primal Romance, WDB, Summertime, and PEACE could provide some inspiration here)
  • The latest and greatest manifestation scripting geared towards manifesting your ideal partner(s) where there is an unmistakable attraction and resonance on all levels
  • And to supercharge that manifestation scripting, adding scripting geared toward encouraging the listener to find creative ways to meet this person in a “meet cute” kind of way - so that it feels like destiny (see point #1). For example, someone that wants a fit partner would be encouraged to join the right gym, or someone interested in an intellectual partner joining a local book club. Basically, finding creative ways to put themselves in the best possible environments to meet the type of person they truly desire. Meeting someone in fated circumstances adds depth and significance to that special connection. (e.g., the difference between meeting someone on Tinder vs. meeting in a random dive bar while both of you are traveling solo)

I also really liked these other ideas from other members:

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#32

Helping the user to develop a secure attachment style seems like it would be extremely beneficial towards achieving the goals of Heartsong

https://www.verywellmind.com/secure-attachment-signs-benefits-and-how-to-cultivate-it-8628802

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#33

I think I finally understand why Heartsong is sending me into full recon healing mode:

It is because my subconscious mind projects its own understanding of an ideal partner into what needs to be manifested. And in almost all cases that ideal partner is however an unconscious Anima projection (Anima / Animus concept as per Carl Jung).

So the subconscious mind, when it tries to execute the script is faced with this unconscious Anima projection that is going on and that is not integrated and not fully reconciled with the conscious mind.

According to Jung, this Anima must first be fully integrated by making it conscious. So reconciliation with the conscious mind is a necessary step in integrating this Anima and letting go of those projected illusions of an ideal partner.

Until it becomes conscious, the mind will project the ideal traits of the ideal woman (or man), also all the assumed needs that an ideal partner would cover, onto people in the outside world, i.e. creating its own illusions, which then clash with observed reality and with what the conscious mind actually considers to be an ideal partner and how those needs are supposed to be fullfilled.

Therefore, an updated version, in order to successfully manifest more “soulmates” needs to somehow fully integrate the Anima / Animus.
Once that is successfully done, and one no longer projects ideal traits onto people nor personal needs, I think the manifestation scripting should have no difficulties of being executed as intended.

For me personally, I think this is the main reason why Heartsong is sending me into full recon mode at the deepest levels of my being.

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#34

I’ll give you my take on it based on the run so far. While I’m sure the improved ZPU build and the nervous system scripting makes a big difference, the main thing that stands out to me is the way the wu-wei concept is expressed in the script, along the lines of returning to wholeness (the uncarved block, etc).

There’s also an aspect of how that interacts with events in the outside world. When I was doing my reading/research into Zhineng Qigong and it’s Hunyuan Entirety Theory, I came across this concept which explained a hell of alot: hunhua, which means “to merge and transform”. It has to do with where two or more things that are complete in their own right (entireties) are merging or interacting, and as a result transforming one another. Hunyuan Qi itself is said to be formed by the hunhua of material, energy and information.

So without confusing things with terminology, there’s this idea that in the process of “becoming whole” the different parts are interacting, merging and influencing/transforming one another on that journey to becoming a unity, and it is feeling and working with this sense of wholeness and transformation that the healing is occurring (what I was calling the Qigong state, where you can feel the body acting as a single unit). I’m sure you can see how applying these kinds of ideas to relationships could be very helpful in “universalising” things :slight_smile:

Don’t know how useful that’s going to be, but in the spirit of putting things out into the void, there it is :alembic: :alien: :unicorn:

Edit: maybe worth adding that the qualities of self-acceptance so on cultivated in Reforged (ie accepting what is whether or not you are trying to change it, and radical self honesty) probably helps with the process. Without accepting what is seen the unity is unable to be sensed properly and transformation takes longer. Peace seems to have that too.

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#35

Great explanation and list of features, i like it as well.

#36

Nothing against your ideas, I actually like them. When I was reading them I couldnt stop thinking, thats exactly what a narcisist will make you feel/believe.

Idealization / Love-Bombing Phase

They shower you with intense attention, flattery, mirroring of your interests/values, constant contact, gifts, future-talk (“soulmate,” “I’ve never felt this way,” “we’re perfect together”), and grand gestures.

You often feel:

  • Uniquely seen, understood, desired, and special—like the center of their universe
  • Euphoric, addicted to the high, as if you’ve finally found “the one”
  • Safe, valued, and chosen in a way that feels almost too perfect

You come to believe the relationship is extraordinary, that they truly get you, and that this intensity is genuine love or destiny. The pace is usually accelerated.

They do it cause it simply works quite well and easily, its worth asking ourselves why is that the case. Are we so starved to feel that way that at the first opportinity we jump into it, no questions asked?
Whats the wound that they feed on?

And a lot of us as a way to cope with those feelings, we really want to believe that some idealized version of others is real, it has to be real so i can prove my worth, right? and ended up believing our own idealizations or the image the other person (Narcissist) intentionally project.

Yes, that would be great, specially if its targeted at worthiness, acceptance and belonging.

Well this kinda make Heartsong a healing title, but maybe with PEACE style of healing is doable… who knows.

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#37

Here’s a question, should this be limited to romantic relationships? Some of the most fulfilling, intimate and transcendent relationships I had were platonic at the core. Hell, losing my best friend of 15 years or being in no contact with my current best friend hurt more than losing any partner.

#38

I think thats covered by Brotherhood

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#39

Kinda sorta? Though it isn’t necessarily universal.

The soulmate concept is so loaded, I’m in favour of moving away from the name

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#40

That’s literally the whole point of the title not sleeping around or friendships but finding a soul reflected parthner

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#41

I didn’t mention anything about sleeping around?

I was speaking more about how loaded the term “soulmate” and what that entitles. As Saint said, we all have a different interpretation of a soulmate, for me that doesn’t limit it to a romantic partner.

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