Main Idea Thread: Heartsong

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#42

Seems most people misunderstand the concept of a SOULmate, its not a romantic heartmate, we didnt come here into this world as a heart, we came as a soul into physical existence.
A soulmate is a perfect reflection of our soul, a contract made before coming into this world,a feeling of fate and destiny like someone described earlier, as if God, source or whatever made us specifically for each other.

I have heard from spiritual masters that most have one or maybe 2 to 3 soulmates in a lifetime. Often the greatest obstacle is timing and being in the right place and mindset and readiness in our journey for it to sync with another soul.
Its a relationship with someone who recognises your soul whos gaze pierces through all the masks you wear, to see the real you, its the most profound intense resonance and alignment on a deepest level of your being, a charged electricity seeking its perfect match.

If it the subliminal can make you transmit your unique energy signature throughout the whole globe and connect to the energy of the soulmate that matches that energy signature that would be ideal so you can seek each other out through synchronicity of meeting.

#43

In this case i meant a platonic friendship which is much different than a soulmate, maybe soul tribe concept is what you mean

#44

Fair enough…It’s weird that you just to "not sleeping around’ when other people are pushing for this to support poly lifestyles. But okay…

#45

I understand the concept pretty well and its loaded with spiritual and religious presuppositions, a whole belief system. Thats the main reason I do not like it and I think there are a lot of people here who doesnt either.
All the titles in Subclub are free of belief systems, why should this one be the exception? As Saint has stated many times, the sub should work for everybody and for that to be the case it cant requiere for a user to adopt any single belief system, it doesnt matter if someone chooses to believe that as the only truth possible in the universe.

You believe in soulmates? Great! Heartsong adapts to you. You dont believe in soulmates? Great! Heartsong adapts to you too.

Edit: We are not discussing how to adapt/change the concept of soulmates, the point is to move Heartsong somewhere else. As @Malkuth said, its called HEARTSong and not SoulSong.

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#46

To quote Saint

Now, what I need people to understand is that even if they don’t believe in this concept, those who do will express the script differently from them. Those who have a different idea of what a “soulmate” is will express the script in their own way. And it is not the goal of ZPU to change the underlying belief toward another ideal, but rather to honor the individual’s beliefs in a way that helps them grow

Moving along, WDB has a lot of what I’d want from a “heart” title: Deep effortless connective, the anticipant before a kiss, that big cinematic feel, even a little slow burn.

#47

If you dilute the concept too much then it just becomes another wanted, love bomb flavour just like people want endless emperor flavours. The concept is based around SOULmates not heart romance which can be achieved by many subs already.
It presupposes the yearning of a soul to manifest its mate, its reflection, not the heart which is a cog in the process that originates and starts from the soul. If vision of the goal is lost then it’s just another flavour of wanted.

#48

Let’s settle down, folks. There’s no need to worry about things be diluted. Saint already has an idea, he’s just opening the door to suggestions.

#49

Thats quite a strawman.

Anyways, Im not interested in debating what a soulmate is or whether if they are real or not. I dont care really, “To each their own”.

What im really interested is in this Saint quote…

Now, what I need people to understand is that even if they don’t believe in this concept, those who do will express the script differently from them. Those who have a different idea of what a “soulmate” is will express the script in their own way. And it is not the goal of ZPU to change the underlying belief toward another ideal, but rather to honor the individual’s beliefs in a way that helps them grow.

Also helping as I can in making Heartsong a great and unique product, as I said at the begining, not a flavor of anything.

Of course you have your opinions as I have my own, we are sharing ideas to make Hearstong better for everybody, not trying to fit the product to what someone believes.

Edit: My point is that it would be great if Heartsong is a title that can help in building the kind of relationship, people refer to as “Soulmates”, instead of waiting to find that kind of person.
Even if you find that kind of person, both will have to work for the relationship to be that way, is not just going to happen just because you are soulmates.
For those who dont relate to the concept and its background, it will still be useful to have a working frame to achieve that sepecial kind of bond.

In the end if you believe in that frame, you will be satisfied that you found who you where looking for and will work to make it last, if you dont believe in that frame, you will be satisfied that you are building that kind of relationship it with someone special, because both of you recognized the connection and the potential to build something solid and pleasurable,

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#50

I think where this topic gets tricky, and potentially causes a lot of recon for people, is that:

Love is the most beautiful feeling a human can experience naturally, yet it can also cause the worst mental/emotional pain of someone’s life.

Think of unrequited love. Or, meeting the love of your life, starting a wonderful relationship, getting completely immersed in loving them, and then tragedy strikes - they leave you, life gets in the way, etc. Or, you’ve been with your perfect partner for years, and then suddenly they stop loving you…

There’s equal potential for both extreme joy and extreme sorrow in a connection of that magnitude.

True love requires immense surrender, including surrendering to the possibility that you might be badly hurt. It’s only by plunging into it and taking that risk can you experience the full depth of a “soulmate” type of bond.

I think for many of us, whether from past trauma or simply realizing the gravity of this risk, there are deep seated fears and unconscious blockages connected to the possibility of things going wrong.

The hardest part is accepting that love can turn on you at anytime. The feeling of wholeness and ecstasy can be suddenly thrown out the window, and replaced by self doubt, despair and depression. So I think if Heartsong ZPU can provide scripting to address these fears, and prepare the user to accept all the possibilities of what a deep connection like that may entail, that would help address some of the recon that’s been reported in previous versions.

@SaintSovereign

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#51

This is the problem I mentioned in my post earlier. Not everyone believes this. Regardless of the actual truth of the situation, or whatever higher processes are involved, at the practical level – the here and the now – the held beliefs of the individual will affect the expression of the script. If we were to base Heartsong around this viewpoint, the large majority would reject the script and go into recon. It must be simplified and universalized while still remaining useful.

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#52

What would the day to day dynamic of someone who DOES believe in a soulmate look like when it comes to relationships dynamics and values and which of those are universal?

  • communication to the deepest soul level
  • a shared vision that involves being together forever and accomplishing something together (financial, social, spiritual, familial, etc)
  • a soulmate shouldn’t just be a relationship that is good, a soulmate should fit perfectly into a life that is good, and even make life feel like it’s complete, but that comes from within which is why I can’t make a heartsong idea post without mentioning that the sense of “completeness” in life should be able to be cultivated single or coupled
  • great passionate connected sex
  • someone who is your ultimate confidant, you tel the secrets you never told anyone, and that person cherishes your secrets for you, normalizes you, makes you feel not weird (again, this can be done without a partner)
  • can make decisions (together/alone)
  • lack of codependency, WANTING each other very much without getting into the scarcity of NEEDING each other, every day is a choice
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#53

I completely agree

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#54

The power of reframing…

#55

These are all really good ideas, everyone – even the stuff that we can’t directly place into a script. Keep it coming. We’re already coming up with a really interesting concept.

… I’m supposed to be on break, rofl. But, you’ve got us thinking about this deeply.

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#56

That is very important for this sub to work properly.

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#57

I don’t have any new feature suggestions that haven’t already been posted, but you should watch

Black Mirror Season 4, Episode 4(the episode about the dating app algorithm).

And Black Mirror: Season 3, Episode 4-if your head is on this topic this may be a cool “I need to take a break” and watch a show where it will be a somewhat relevant to Heartsong brainstorming :grin:

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#58

Ideal goal after six months of heartsong: Being with my ideal romantic partner that makes all others pale in comparison and having the most fulfilling emotional, physical and mental relationship with them that just deepens the more I run the sub. Perfect life partner for my most natural self. Simple as that.

I don’t write subliminal’s so I don’t know the how however I do think the what of heartsong should focus on being a sub specifically for people who desire to manifest their ideal partner at any stage in their life…everything should be oriented around getting that person to a place where they are with their ideal partner while being their most true authentic self.

kind of like primal romance/inner circle/divine diamond/pn in and outside the bedroom with the authenticity/sovereignty scripting of the other subs to create the version of the listener that can allow such a life to happen.

Thing is, simple as it sounds to me this is an extremely ambitious goal to have for a subliminal; arguably maybe more so then any in the catalogue…I’d honestly be more impressed/fascinated with a sub that connects hundreds to their soulmates/ride or die/perfect partners/monogamous ideal then one that makes a hundred millionaires…however if anyone can pull it off you guys can.

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#59

Absolutely agree. Especially with having that relationship deepen and blossoming over time while remaining rooted in your truest most authentic self.

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#60

Differentiating question, just to spark conversation: how does this differ from wanted dream boy, which is a title designed to help you manifest partners that have a deeply emotional connection with you and a very heavy “relationship” skew compared to Wanted/WB?

How does your idea of Heartsong differ from a seduction sub in general, basically.

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#61

where WDB is skewed towards relationships you have freedom to have flings, build harems, hook ups etc; its just a tool which makes longer term relationships easier compared to a tool like WB which makes harem type relationships easier…

Imo HS should focus on long term relationships specifically not just skewed towards; the core of the sub could be focused and designed as a sub to grow together over time with one person and a focus on manifesting that specific person who is the equivalent perfect equal/opposite version of you on the sub as a partner…(inner circle)

If HS gets multiple partner type scripting(personally I’d prefer it without this as well but I get why others would want it) at the very least it should focus on maintaining a long term relationship with those multiple partners…

so to answer your question; its the total focus on manifesting and maintaining a long term relationship with your perfect ideal and all the dynamics that entails.

(plus, it wouldnt be in the wanted line so people who don’t want wanted type archetype identity shifting scripting can still get a romance sub with emotional connection…closest thing now is primal romance and even that is part of the primal line; subtle archetype? idk oh ssx as well is the close to the romantic connection as a skill idea-the most underrated seduction sub here; however that one also is just a tool as well for long term or short term relationships…)

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