Any more info on that, haha?
But I definitely got the info wrong then what it actually does.
Gotta admit, so far it made it worse lol
If SC ever makes a sub for a submissive, but sensual and sexual kinda woman, great nurturing mother and a wife getting the best out of her man, you have a buyer 
If you want to improve your romantic or Love life just get her Sex Mastery or Sex & Seduction — Seductress will cause her to become independent in every way and become assertive as like you have never seen before.
Definitely not a way of improving your relationship, lol!
If anything make sure to remove that file from her iPhone asap.
Thank you.
Saint ditched my question about this last time because I assume he doesn’t want his company to be labeled toxic or smth.
But definitely needs to go then.
Both these titles you mentioned seem very male oriented.
Sure they are unisex?
More confident, independent, I agree with you on the “alpha-feminist” thing but in a non-toxic down your throat way. You know, the “part-time lesbians, ex-witch, feminist”. But I can see why @hermit warns.
All of these traits were originally her natural self, but this brought them back. Also got comfortable dressing up and such. It also brought her awareness about others being stuck in some mental loop - woke her up. Gave her productivity, less complaining.
@Azriel nailed it.
If you’re having troubles, you may want to khan up or wanted.
Damn it. Saw more posts on this thread and thought that there might actually be a woman here sharing thoughts and experiences.
haha. Not that I don’t appreciate you men as well.
But I do miss women’s voices/experiences on the forum.
Khan up? But what use does a khan have for a woman wanting to be independent of him?
I am sure if she keeps running it our marriage will die and this is why I think @Fire and @SaintSovereign this needs to be crystal clear on the sales page that alpha female scripting is in it.
Regardless of political stance or what’s right for women. My wife read the copy and thought “sure I want that”
Now that I told her what is in there, she said “that’s stupid” lol
This is why I said to Khan up, or emperor, or wanted, or primal, or whatever. It’s an opportunity to enhance oneself and grow.
Highly doubt they included anything political. Not the way SC run thing. Every choice is left up to the user’s own beliefs.
For what’s it worth, Seductress is made by female consultants, not through the lens of a man and their perception of how a woman should behave.
I’m sure saint will chime in soon
Alpha, to me, means being clear and confident about what you want.
If what you want is to raise children and be primarily focused on the domestic sphere, then you’ll know that and be confident about it.
If what you want is to be an entrepreneurial woman who establishes her own brand, then you’ll know that.
Many women want a bit of both, or what they want changes over time. So, they’ll have the courage to follow that path too.
Ascension, like power in general, just “makes you more of who you already are” (as the cliché about money goes). It’s not some sort of ideology-implant or something.
Or am I missing the point? I’m admittedly stumbling into this already-in-progress conversation.
Yes, you’re right. Completely agree with what you’re saying.
I’d rather be with someone able to assert themselves and take of themselves and those around them.
Not someone to hold their hands and play knight in shining armor with; that’s what mistresses are for 
unless that’s what she wants, eh? She might be in the mood for that.
(she might even want that Monty Python and the Holy Grail knight who makes a lot of noise and gets chopped to pieces. but hopefully not.).
Sure. But those are instilled by society, aren’t they? Maybe just running sanguine or regeneration would be better to find herself. Or a custom.
You guys see this wrongly, I am not afraid of anything here. I am fully detached. If she leaves, so be it.
This is what SHE said to me after hearing about alpha scripting.
Then again, maybe her understanding of alpha scripting is wrong, who knows?
I’m just saying she feels like she didn’t get what was promoted on the sales page. This might also be due to her misunderstanding.
I personally, am fully aware of society and what’s being instilled in women. I have my opinion on it and I am aware that it is totally contrary to what is pushed everywhere. This is all I’m gonna add to that because it’ll be too political.
This just shows me that your understanding of “submissive” is not the same as mine.
It doesn’t mean doormat. Not at all.
Confident and submissive is totally possible and that is what my wife is. She was mostly looking for deepening that, sexual mastery, removal of doubt, etc.
Right.
I assume that what you mean by ‘submissive’ is ‘able to gracefully acquiesce to a capable or appropriate leader without feeling diminished by that’.
But if you think about it, you probably don’t want your wife to obey the commands of every dominant person who happens to stand before her. That would be the pure meaning of ‘submissive’. It would not be personal or specific to you and your relationship.
Here I’m just presuming, so I may be wrong. But I think that you probably want her to have the capacity to respect and acknowledge your role as a leader in your team.
I’m guessing that if some other dominant leader came around, you’d want her to give a very confident ‘no’ to that person.
It sounds like you may be equating ‘alpha’ with ‘bossy’ and ‘power-grabbing’.
I equate it more with dignity. So, I don’t see anything for you to be worried about.
Then again, 99% of the universe (in my brain) is made up of dark matter. So, yeah, once again. I’m probably missing something.
Well, diddly…
What he said 
Precisely.
I don’t care.
People look at me funny when I say this but I don’t want anyone to do anything with my leadership. My way or the highway, pretty simple.
Then again, you are right about the not bowing to anyone part. This however is imo just healthy and should any person have. This is why I was thinking confidence is good.
Me and her. And that is the key.
If she thinks alpha means power woman and running companies then since the sub maximizes her thoughts and beliefs on that, right?
This is, to me, the most interesting point here.
Would the subliminal–due to its being guided by conscious intention–intensify and augment the model and vision of power that your wife holds in her mind? Even if that model is one she considers negative?
That’s definitely a @SaintSovereign -worthy question.
Ultimately, whatever the really formal version of the answer is, I agree with your reasoning: if a particular program does not appeal to you, that is probably a very good sign that it may not be right for you. I, personally, give a lot of weight to those kinds of reactions.
But it’s also important to be sure that the person has really read the description (so that their intuition has been properly informed). If after reading the description for Ascension for Women, she felt like ‘naah’, then I’d agree. This may not be the right time.
But yeah, Saint or Fire will clarify this much better.
The distinction seems a bit like semantics. But I get your point. You’re saying it’s not a negotiation as far as you’re concerned. But I’d say that (on a purely logical level) what you’re referring to as ‘your way’ still falls under the general category of Things You Want. Anyway, life isn’t purely logical, so, point well-noted.
(I’ll be on the highway, if you need me…
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In any case,
This seems to be more about your (plural) own beliefs and perceptions and less about what is objectively contributed by the subliminal.
Well, the Seductress copy reads nothing of “Alpha female.” It read to her like a seductive (hint) woman, that loves her body, her sexuality, and is confident in interactions with others, but mostly men, and lives a happy life.
The Alpha-female thing is really only stated on Ascension for women, where on the Seductress copy it says “We’ve included much of Ascension for women”
But what?
Then randomly on the forum I find out it has the “alpha-female” scripting, where I thought it really only has the confidence part.
Then again, the issue might really just lie in what we, you, everyone else, and most importantly Saint and/or Fire consider “Alpha-Female.”
Also, sounds like she (and you) are plenty confident already. And, all of these points aside, It’s kind of cool how you both aligned in your view and reaction to this subject.
It just hit me that this entire conversation is actually a bit ironic. The both of you sound like an alpha couple already. hahaha.
(EDIT: oh. in my definition of alpha.)
What will Khan or Emperor do?
Intensify that?
Well Khan definitely, but imo this is due to Stage1 Total Breakdown.
For me, it totally brought me back to my source and who I am, who I want to be. Actually, so far that I was questioning if I really want to be the Khan imposing my will on others, or if I choose a more spiritual path.
Total Breakdown could almost be a standalone healing sub.
Then again, especially for emperor imo it depends on how SC considers “Alpha.” So we def need an answer on that from our Generals 