Main Disc. Thread - The Revelation of Spirit ZP

Product Discussion
#458

Opinions ensue:

JC is accurate in saying that Alchemist can be suitable for a beginner. And notice that he did not say that it is only suitable for beginners.

It will help you to solidify, integrate, and strengthen your path and your practices. It will also very likely open up additional channels of growth and of perception that you might not have anticipated or worked on in the past.

I think the time question is a little bit irrelevant. On the surface it may be relevant. But not once you go deeper.

Two main reasons (in my opinion):

  1. Let’s say you have been working on spiritual, cosmological, ontological cultivation. Let’s say you’ve been developing and refining Internal Energy and Intentionality for some time already. You’ve built a strong solid comprehensive foundation, and have achieved momentum of development and evolution. Things are moving along well.

In this first scenario, you might not decide (at this time) to stay with each stage of Alchemist for two months. With the foundation you’ve built, you actually have the tools of internal feedback to determine how long you wish to stay with each stage. So you might stay shorter or longer with a given stage. Thus you might choose to stay with the program for anywhere from 4 months to 12 months.

But either way, if you’re doing something real and feeling real changes happening, then you’re not wasting your time because the process is being supported and energized.

And that’s actually the 2nd point.

  1. There is a real process (set of processes) and context for running these subliminal programs, and that context (as you probably know) is much larger and more extensive than the programs. I’m talking about the reality of our actual developmental processes. That’s where the timing comes from and that’s what sets the actual pace. The more clued in we are to the shifts and changes and seasons of Reality, the more the timing and patience/impatience issues of the programs become irrelevant.

It’s not about checking off the boxes of ‘Ran Alchemist once’ or ‘Ran Khan Black twice’. That’s not the reason for the recommendations. Or it needn’t be. I think it can more so be about consolidating and integrating your connection to your Internal Situation.

The difference between a ‘beginner’ and an ‘experienced practitioner’ is Informed Attention. In other words, when you pay attention with an experienced eye, you are (sometimes) able to glean more valuable information than would a beginner. You can feel the trends and changes, you can sense energetic movements, and you even have some context for occasionally interpreting them in accurate or useful ways.

So the approach would be to 1. yes, run Alchemist, but also 2. apply your experienced, informed Attention to calibrate your duration, engagement, and application of the program. Allow your experience to guide how you use it and respond to it.

From this point of view, it’s well-nigh impossible for you to waste time, because you’re constantly in touch with the relevant processes.

The same internal systems and domains of you that are developing when you use Aeon are also growing and evolving while you are using Alchemist and Khan Black.

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#459

This ^^^

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#460

Unfortunately it’s worse than that, I see people that have done a cycle of XXX ST1 and then confidently proclaim that they’ve “completed” that stage. It just displays a lack of understanding about how they’re using these titles. It’s one thing if they’re planning multiple runs through the stages, that’s a valid way of using them, but most don’t actually do that.

Moving through stages needs to be an experiential process to get actual value out of them, and not based on some artificial schedule. For example, I’ve run Aeon 1 for almost 2 months now (I don’t do “cycles”) and I’m still seeing progress, so it’s going to stay until I feel ready to move forward.

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#461

I align with this as well. My experience has been it has offers very profound support to take your spiritual discipline to absolute mastery. Also while I used it I felt a MUCH deeper connection to my Spiritual tradition which led to having certain experiences I did not experience before with energies and certain deities I was working with, experiences that a beginner would sort of need a few weeks for to allow it to sink in their mind.

I think it is very versatile in that sense. It starts where you are at.

But definitely not a beginner program. It seems to be for beginners and masters, it meets you where you are at. It gives the vibes that if you been with a tradition for several years you can go back in time and reflect on your progress, fill in the gabs where you have been lacking and make your foundation even stronger while improving your techniques and practices that have already a certain mastery even further.

It definitely is not the same from other spiritual titles it is very much practical in my experience where whatever you practice will get enhanced, you will be more disciplined and serious about it and your experiences will elevate to a new level.

A lot of things that are basically not covered by any other program.

Actually I will share one thing I was looking at a YouTube video interview with an individual who was quite old and was involved in a certain spiritual process and later that day I ended up seeing him in real life, and time just stood still for a second as I could not believe it and I
ended up approaching him and asking him about it and he confirmed it is him. Of course he was in the same area on the earth as me but it would be very rare for such a thing to occur. It was definitely a manifestation and it was getting me into the door of a certain ancient spiritual tradition as I was meeting important individuals of an ashram where yoga is being taught.

The interview was very deep and truly drew me in and whatever experiences he spoke about I was living it through with him as he was recalling it and living it through within himself. It really hit me emotionally as it was very intense.

The idea and notion that oh alchemist is a beginner program is a misunderstanding, it is just as suitable for a beginner and an adept, whatever bases it covers you will not find with any other program. Like for example stage one will solidify your foundation even further even if you have been working with spirituality for a decade; it will take that foundation to the next level and make you review everything you have already learned and know, a foundation is never perfect and will always be strong in some departments and lack in others, once in awhile it is good to go back to the basics and strengten them so you can grow even further. (and this is only for stage one I am speaking now, the other stages are definitely not for beginners).

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#462

Oh, and for the record, I’m probably one of the most experienced guys here in terms of spiritual practices, and running Alchemist last year was still beneficial for me.

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#463

Yes, because there is no end to spiritual growth and growth in general because you as consciousness can and will grow forever. Because that’s what “Creation” does too, a neverending process of further growth and self-exploration.

Plus, there is no end for how much you can grow on any ZP title, because the script is made in a way that there is always a new iteration, always a new level to reach, regardless how “advanced” one already is.

I.e. any ZP title, be it spiritually focussed or not, will always ignite further growth and progress. That means, that even the “highest deity being” on the the highest planes of existence will potentialy grow further from even the “most beginner-friendly” ZP script :slight_smile: .

#464

Allow me to put this debate to rest.

RoS, RoM, other titles in the Unfolding line: Not necessarily for beginners, hence why they are artisan titles.
Alchemist: Suitable for beginners and advanced.
Alchemist Royal (AEON): Not necessarily for beginners, hence why it’s an artisan title.

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#465

Would stacking RoS with a sexual title like RotNW help solving sexual blocks in my spirituality faster?
Or maybe adding like 3 seconds after RoS?

#466

Holy Shit.
Listened to this 4 days ago. Just 30secs on my phone. 20 minutes later…i hear a voice coming from myy belly…and intuitivly know its god/reality/whatever…the boss…asking me if I want to knwo the rules to life…I say yes. And the first thing I am told is: This is your life. You can do whatever you want with it. No shoulds, coulds, have tos. Just yours. Do you want to create?
The healing I went through since then was profound. I had very deep emotional releases from my body and nervous system. Waves of heat running through my body. Didnt sleep for two nights because so much emotions came up.

In Hindsight this one message…that came from SUCH A DEEP PLACE. It felt more real than anything I have ever experienced. It feels like this broke a deep barrier.

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#467

Give that voice my cell number…

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#468

@SaintSovereign
Since the subconscious changes are permanent due to the power of the ZP technology, how does that permanency work with regards to revelation titles?

Do I from now on receive revelations and insights from my spirit/mind/dreams etc. for the rest of my life? Or do I have to induce it each time again and again with new loops of those revelation titles?

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#469

The whole thing about life is impermanence, nothing is permanent.

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#470

Come back to earth mr spiritual, you’re missing his point.

It’s an interesting question regarding the impact of the ZP scripting which works as a self actualization process instead of one-sided suggestions.

It makes one wonder how permanent the results can be in one’s psyche since theoretically the results have come from one’s own discoveries from within, and the revelation line works differently than most titles.

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#471

Whatever you have gained you have gained then I guess and it will be with you for life.

#472

Yes.

It is an excellent topic from @JCDenton.

Unfolding, itself, is about the organic developmental/evolutionary processes of one’s being.

So, from that perspective, it is something that was happening already, but…

the Revelation programs bring about Enhancement, Intensification, Energizing, Extension, and Deepening of those processes.

So, if you think about it, there’s a kind Form vs. Content distinction.

Form would involve the structure of growth and development. How fast is it? How many areas of life and experience does it touch upon and include? How powerfully does it integrate various elements? All of these ‘Form’ elements are about the quality or the HOW of growth and unfolding.

Then there’s the Content dimension. In the growth process, what specific insights, concepts, ideas, and connections did you have and make? What did you think about? What did you learn?

(I think this Content dimension is what @Adi is referencing when he says:

But that’s Content.

It’s possible that, in a way, the FORM contributions are the main contributions of the Revelation programs.

Unfolding is not about a specific belief system or skill set, it’s about the Growth Power and Growth Potential of the system (i.e., the Mind, the Spirit, etc.,). The subliminal is like an empowering vote of confidence in the system’s Capacity to Grow and Capacity to Express.

Real-life growth involves a constant cycle of 1) Insecurity/tentative venturing into new ground, 2) gradual building of confidence, 3) exploration of the new ground, and 4) eventual competence/mastery.

Once you’ve reached mastery in a given area, there’s always the option of 5) Complacent Inertia. Just stay there enjoying what you’ve gotten. Or you can continue exploring and growing further. If you grow further, you expand into yet another realm of 1) Insecurity.

Insecurity is your reward for continuing to grow. And then the cycle begins again.

At some point in life, most people slow down and begin to prefer sticking to what they already know or already have done. That is when Unfolding slows down. At that point, inner growth goes from being Automatic to being Optional. You can continue learning and growing for the entirety of your life, but there comes a time when if you don’t choose it, it’s not just going to happen by itself.

I think the Revelation programs may be for those who wish to make that choice:

To intentionally embrace inner Insecurity/Possibiliity in order to expand new Internal realms of growth, becoming, and Self-Mastery.

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#473

Man just what I needed to hear :heart:

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#474

Is this in the pipeline for an update?

#475

Yes it’s in the works and will likely come out in the new season, Saint mentioned it a few weeks ago on the update thread.

#476

Exciting. Hopefully it has some component related to consciousness. Expansion of consciousness.

Make you more conscious of the realms and dimensions beyond the mind and body, the spirit and our spiritual aspects.

#477

Can this be stacked with a physical healing custom?

I’m making a Earth/Paragon healing custom.

I know it sounds like an oddball stack but…how would RoS+Earth/Paragon custom go?

Guessing they would coexist just fine in that stack?