@SaintSovereign can you address this question please and also check your pm? I sent a msg regarding Love Bomb and week ago.
Youâre good. It just may not work as well, but since RoS and RoM started the NSE tech (which anti-recon hooks into), it should still work.
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First results after two listening days:
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Bonerpain? Why isnât that in the objectives list. Iâm sure thereâs a crowd for it. Lol
3 days later and with a 2nd full loop yesterday:
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I notice being less afraid of âliving lifeâ in general.
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I am seeing life more as a flow of experiences, instead of something to be intellectualized and be fully categorized (where the human mind tries to find mental stability by structuring and valuating everything).
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Feeling some type of ego dissolution effect, i.e. less giving a fuck about meaningless shit and all the âwhat ifâsâ.
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Realizing that the humanâs psyche is just a story telling machine, inventing stories it tells to it self to build up extra layers of identity.
The price to pay for this is additional emotional vulnerability, since many stories have the wounded hero archetype that needs to be healed or avenge the world.
Distancing myself more from the mechanics of the human psyche allows me to let go of all of these stories Iâve been telling to myself and that alone decreases my emotional vulnerability. Where there is no wound, there cannot be any pain when salt comes in. -
I am seeing myself more as a soul making the experience of a social animal (the homo sapiens) in the physical universe. I.e. a strong detachment from seeing myself as âhumanâ in the first place.
Being carbon based is not who I really am and my human body is just a tool for experiences for my soul. Experiences, which me as consciousness decided to simply experience and learn from.
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Seems like profound revelations, mateâŠ
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And then you have some guy talking his boner gets bended to the side after using Revelation of SpiritâŠ, this must be some cosmic humor 
Lmao
I guess it is truly a different experience for everyone heh
We are talking about the apex of human evolution and the goal of all true seekers, the most holy and divine principle in nature, how and where to find and how it is applied for the use of self-transformation into a higher intelligence and form.
This program goes hand in hand for me with Ăon, Khan Black, New Alchemist and Alchemist Singularity, they all cover different aspects of what is considered the âGreat Workâ in the western alchemical tradition. Especially since the Elixir of Life is known to extend life and that the biblical prophets before the flood lived a full ripe age of up to 700-950 years, which has been reduced tenfold since. Even Gregg Braden (for some a fringe scientist, for others someone who is willing to look beyond the box) says that our genes and dna has been altered to cap our lifespan at 1/10th of what it used to be.
See this article The First 100 Years Are the Toughest » Gregg Braden (living beyond 100 years)
Personally I am very interested in pairing this with Alchemist & Ăon someday. The refined and subtle energies of Ăon combined with the Spirit could be the hidden key to longevity according to this article.
The main differences, in my personal understanding, are:
Alchemist Multistage:
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For spiritual growth and practices from the point of view of your physically incarnated Earth character self.
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This is a beginner suitable title for people who just start out on their journey into spirituality and those who want to focus more on spirituality. This title will help everyone finding their spiritual path and naturally accelerate the spiritual progress of the respective person.
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This title helps you as an Earth character (which your Higher Self plays) to get onto the path of finding and becoming the âPhilosopherâs Stoneâ one day.
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This title is the journey from Malkuth to Kether.
Revelation of Spirit:
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For connection and guidance from what your soul and your Higher Self truly want.
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This is the advanced title that goes beyond what your Earth character wants, believes or thinks. This is about what your soul and your Higher Self want.
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This is guidance from deep within your soul and from the point of view of what your Higher Self wants to experience with you as the Earth character.
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This is divine guidance from something (the Higher Self) that has already become and intergrated the âPhilosopherâs Stoneâ and that is now guiding your Earthly character from the future.
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Results and experiences with this title will differ greatly, depending on how far spiritually advanced the Earth character already is. Anything like too much ego, arrogance, pride, ignorance and similar will heavily impact potential results.
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For best results, Earth character should aim for merging its free will with the Higher Selfâs free will â to become an unstoppable fully aligned divine force on Earth.
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This title is about bringing down Kether into Malkuth, AND align them together into a representation of divine will on all levels of existence.
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Hmmm. I wouldnât call myself a beginner but wondering if I should run this one. I think I read fire/saint say as a recommendation that one should run multi stage alchemist before AEON.
In other words, I am wondering if one should skip this if they been working on their spirituality/have had a routine for a few years.
And this isnât a egotistic dick measuring contest on whoâs done what, itâs moreso that alchemist multi stager would take a minimum of 8 months to finish and I am wondering if thereâs much upside to non beginners of people on their spiritual path.
Feel free to comment @AnswerGroup
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Opinions ensue:
JC is accurate in saying that Alchemist can be suitable for a beginner. And notice that he did not say that it is only suitable for beginners.
It will help you to solidify, integrate, and strengthen your path and your practices. It will also very likely open up additional channels of growth and of perception that you might not have anticipated or worked on in the past.
I think the time question is a little bit irrelevant. On the surface it may be relevant. But not once you go deeper.
Two main reasons (in my opinion):
- Letâs say you have been working on spiritual, cosmological, ontological cultivation. Letâs say youâve been developing and refining Internal Energy and Intentionality for some time already. Youâve built a strong solid comprehensive foundation, and have achieved momentum of development and evolution. Things are moving along well.
In this first scenario, you might not decide (at this time) to stay with each stage of Alchemist for two months. With the foundation youâve built, you actually have the tools of internal feedback to determine how long you wish to stay with each stage. So you might stay shorter or longer with a given stage. Thus you might choose to stay with the program for anywhere from 4 months to 12 months.
But either way, if youâre doing something real and feeling real changes happening, then youâre not wasting your time because the process is being supported and energized.
And thatâs actually the 2nd point.
- There is a real process (set of processes) and context for running these subliminal programs, and that context (as you probably know) is much larger and more extensive than the programs. Iâm talking about the reality of our actual developmental processes. Thatâs where the timing comes from and thatâs what sets the actual pace. The more clued in we are to the shifts and changes and seasons of Reality, the more the timing and patience/impatience issues of the programs become irrelevant.
Itâs not about checking off the boxes of âRan Alchemist onceâ or âRan Khan Black twiceâ. Thatâs not the reason for the recommendations. Or it neednât be. I think it can more so be about consolidating and integrating your connection to your Internal Situation.
The difference between a âbeginnerâ and an âexperienced practitionerâ is Informed Attention. In other words, when you pay attention with an experienced eye, you are (sometimes) able to glean more valuable information than would a beginner. You can feel the trends and changes, you can sense energetic movements, and you even have some context for occasionally interpreting them in accurate or useful ways.
So the approach would be to 1. yes, run Alchemist, but also 2. apply your experienced, informed Attention to calibrate your duration, engagement, and application of the program. Allow your experience to guide how you use it and respond to it.
From this point of view, itâs well-nigh impossible for you to waste time, because youâre constantly in touch with the relevant processes.
The same internal systems and domains of you that are developing when you use Aeon are also growing and evolving while you are using Alchemist and Khan Black.
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This ^^^
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Unfortunately itâs worse than that, I see people that have done a cycle of XXX ST1 and then confidently proclaim that theyâve âcompletedâ that stage. It just displays a lack of understanding about how theyâre using these titles. Itâs one thing if theyâre planning multiple runs through the stages, thatâs a valid way of using them, but most donât actually do that.
Moving through stages needs to be an experiential process to get actual value out of them, and not based on some artificial schedule. For example, Iâve run Aeon 1 for almost 2 months now (I donât do âcyclesâ) and Iâm still seeing progress, so itâs going to stay until I feel ready to move forward.
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I align with this as well. My experience has been it has offers very profound support to take your spiritual discipline to absolute mastery. Also while I used it I felt a MUCH deeper connection to my Spiritual tradition which led to having certain experiences I did not experience before with energies and certain deities I was working with, experiences that a beginner would sort of need a few weeks for to allow it to sink in their mind.
I think it is very versatile in that sense. It starts where you are at.
But definitely not a beginner program. It seems to be for beginners and masters, it meets you where you are at. It gives the vibes that if you been with a tradition for several years you can go back in time and reflect on your progress, fill in the gabs where you have been lacking and make your foundation even stronger while improving your techniques and practices that have already a certain mastery even further.
It definitely is not the same from other spiritual titles it is very much practical in my experience where whatever you practice will get enhanced, you will be more disciplined and serious about it and your experiences will elevate to a new level.
A lot of things that are basically not covered by any other program.
Actually I will share one thing I was looking at a YouTube video interview with an individual who was quite old and was involved in a certain spiritual process and later that day I ended up seeing him in real life, and time just stood still for a second as I could not believe it and I
ended up approaching him and asking him about it and he confirmed it is him. Of course he was in the same area on the earth as me but it would be very rare for such a thing to occur. It was definitely a manifestation and it was getting me into the door of a certain ancient spiritual tradition as I was meeting important individuals of an ashram where yoga is being taught.
The interview was very deep and truly drew me in and whatever experiences he spoke about I was living it through with him as he was recalling it and living it through within himself. It really hit me emotionally as it was very intense.
The idea and notion that oh alchemist is a beginner program is a misunderstanding, it is just as suitable for a beginner and an adept, whatever bases it covers you will not find with any other program. Like for example stage one will solidify your foundation even further even if you have been working with spirituality for a decade; it will take that foundation to the next level and make you review everything you have already learned and know, a foundation is never perfect and will always be strong in some departments and lack in others, once in awhile it is good to go back to the basics and strengten them so you can grow even further. (and this is only for stage one I am speaking now, the other stages are definitely not for beginners).
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Oh, and for the record, Iâm probably one of the most experienced guys here in terms of spiritual practices, and running Alchemist last year was still beneficial for me.
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Yes, because there is no end to spiritual growth and growth in general because you as consciousness can and will grow forever. Because thatâs what âCreationâ does too, a neverending process of further growth and self-exploration.
Plus, there is no end for how much you can grow on any ZP title, because the script is made in a way that there is always a new iteration, always a new level to reach, regardless how âadvancedâ one already is.
I.e. any ZP title, be it spiritually focussed or not, will always ignite further growth and progress. That means, that even the âhighest deity beingâ on the the highest planes of existence will potentialy grow further from even the âmost beginner-friendlyâ ZP script 
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Allow me to put this debate to rest.
RoS, RoM, other titles in the Unfolding line: Not necessarily for beginners, hence why they are artisan titles.
Alchemist: Suitable for beginners and advanced.
Alchemist Royal (AEON): Not necessarily for beginners, hence why itâs an artisan title.
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Would stacking RoS with a sexual title like RotNW help solving sexual blocks in my spirituality faster?
Or maybe adding like 3 seconds after RoS?