may I see the message where fire or saint say this?
I can’t find it, but i remember they said it, it’s also written in the sales page and it was also written in the old khan sales page
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It not an obsession but sober appraisal of one’s psychological makeup, objective limitations, daily intents, and the amount and intensity of action taken on a daily basis. No substantial growth can occur when that appraisal has got ignored.
I encourage to you to read what @friday wrote about running Khan for 3 years. He claimed to have a masculine mindset few had but his reality didn’t change substantially.
Although it was the “old” Khan the same paradigm applies to the new Khan as it’s a universal paradigm. People tend to overlook it, being driven by the most detrimental mindset - abundance mindset. Living for their dreams and getting exhausted, frustrated and depressed, failing to catch up with their dreams.
Economy of life is the way. Sober appraisal of ourselves, our circumstances and objective limitations. Choosing the path of the least resistance in overcoming them, to grow stronger and more capable in order to shape our circumstances (our reality) in a way more skillful and potent manner.
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Everyone who wants to get on Khan (or any other subliminal) should ask themselves the question: is running Khan (or any other subliminal) an optimal way for my self-development, given my current psychological makeup (strengths, natural skills, weaknesses, insecurities etc.), objective limitations (time, energy, money, where you live, what you do, your habits, addictions etc.), daily intents (your daily tasks, duties, routines etc.), and the amount and intensity of action taken on a daily basis (the effort you put into realizing your daily intents)?
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Didn’t mean to sound aggressive when i said obsess @GoldenBird sorry if i did, im just very angry and frustrated im general
Ok, this make sense, i will run more cycles of stage 1 as i probably need it
Sorry to say that, but I bet you will not.
Try to go through a kind of sober appraisal I suggested above. That may help you put an end to that ridiculous subliminal jumping you’ve been on for many a month now. Sorry for being brutal, I understand you’re in recon, and I empathize with you, mate.
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No need to apologize. It’s your own sub journey, after all. Try to make the most of it. Isn’t it strange that people spend $100 on a game on Steam and play it for thousands of hours, but many subliminal users can’t be bothered to spend a few months reflecting with the help of a subliminal that costs the same?
Listen to Voytek, mate. Wait until you’re in a state where you don’t feel too frustrated or angry, and take some time to meditate on what you truly want in life and which subliminal can help you achieve that. And as Voytek says, be realistic about your current situation. For example, I chose Khan after preparing myself with Genesis and Limit Destroyer for a few months because I strongly resonate with the archetype. It aligns with both my desires and fears, and I know that I can make the most progress by sticking with it, precisely because I know that I desire most of what the Khan sub aims for, yet fear the mindset that is most aligned with it. So the greatest possible progress for me will come from working through my fears. In the long run, it’s actually the Alchemist and the Revelation of… series that will help me on my spiritual journey, but I understand that my issues with women and sexual frustrations will hold me back if I don’t address them first. I know that it will take time and introspection, as well as many positive experiences with women over the next few years, to clear these issues. So even though I won’t have the social feedback necessary for Khan progress in the first half of this year due to my current circumstances, I’ll still try to make the most of the initial stages of Khan. My strength lies in introspection from years of meditation, so I’m willing to work through any irritation, anger, and pain in order to become a better man.
If you want to get something useful out of these subliminals, you must be brutally honest with yourself. If you decide to stick with Khan, I recommend implementing Simon’s List. It was originally created for Ecstasy of Gold, but it can easily be adapted for Khan. And stop with the sub hopping, and take the time to read and internalize what Saiyan4Blue wrote in his guide: Saiyan4Blue’s Guide
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Khan seems like a really good subliminal for me now, it makes my social life better, it improves my relationship with my gf, it makes me more confident and assertive
Khan is the best subliminal for me now, i will keep running it and i will keep running stage 1 for now because im getting good results
It makes me more secure in myself, more secure in my relationship and more secure in my friends group
Im also less addicted to chess and im starting to think more about what i want to do with my life
No more thinking about porn thanks to stage 1
The archetype really resonate with me too
So i will keep running Khan for now
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Yeah my friend stick to stage 1 for another cycle . Your post yesterday about not being born during a warring period was a pretty big sign that you need to some internal work . I made the mistake of skipping all of the way to stage with the original khan when deep down I knew I wasn’t ready and the fumbles I made are still lingering with me to this day .
Your potential can not be reached by taking shortcuts and you will see greater returns on your investment by putting the time not running away when it’s gets a little hard . Believe me I want to leave tb so damn bad right now and I’m only a week in but i promise you that you’ll have a better time the second time . Even @friday ran stage 1 for 45 days before jumping to another stage .
Give it some thought
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This was a really helpful post. I’ve been strongly considering Khan for awhile now, and in a sense, I think it really aligns with a lot of my strengths, genetic make up, natural skills, etc, however the one area I have to take into consideration is that my current job is not exactly the best fit for it. Being in fully remote sales, and in a role where work ethic means more then skill or just about anything else, Limitless Executive I’ve decided is a must include for me, especially with a natural inclination for procrastination. I don’t have a ton of space for direct socialization outside of selling over the phone, and power at this point, although I’m utterly fascinated with the concept doesn’t seem like the best way for me to move up in my current reality.
I think another strong point to consider on choosing your stack, is where you take the most action in your life right now; aka where is your time being spent, and which subs align or would give the most benefit for how you spend your time. For example, if you want to run Spartan, but all your time is spent traveling, your on the road for long periods of time etc, your not going to be able to make the most use out of it. For me, while Khan is extremely appealing for a variety of reasons, I’m not going to be able to make the most out of the benefits because I truly don’t have a ton of time to socialize, and the more time I spend socializing the worse off my career gets.
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The post above is an example on how this kind of appraisal looks like. You may need to go into more details though.
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Last week for my first cycle.
This week I’ve decided to lower my listening amount a bit to have more mental clarity. I took saturday and sunday off listening. I’m restarting today, listening on wednesday and friday. Next weekend is my first washout after my first cycle completed.
1 out of 8 cycle. I believe cycle 1 and 2 will be the most boring. 3 and 4 will be better, and from cycle 5 and upward, I’ll be good since I’ll be at stage 3 and above.
Must not give up. Must stay strong even in recon daze, results are strong.
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Well, although I agree that not all archetypes are fit for all people, I am not sure if I would say from my own experience that it is only about economy of life. Yes, there is truth to it, but…
I am far from model example of Khan archetype, yet I feel and see benefits of running it. Do I want to conquer all of Milky Way galaxy and half of Andromeda? No. Do I want to be more masculine, dominant and sexual? Yes. Does it Khan provide? Yes.
Is there maybe logically better sub for me? Might be. But Khan resonates with me somehow and I ran it for past four months and now I see the benefits, especially with ne NSE version.
Of course it is about whole stack(in my case Khan+KB+Heartsong).
But especially with new NSE version of Khan I feel that sub is more about molding around me than otherwise. By that I mean I feel benefits of Khan and still I feel like myself.
I do not want to argue that the point about economy of life is not true, but that maybe… maybe there is some calling and it is about resilience of getting over it. Circumstances are not always the best ones in the life. Does it mean we should resign to it? I come from the place of financial hardship around three years ago to financial abundance at the moment so I am good example of one thing - resilience and patience can do a lot. Of course there are areas of life I am lacking, that is why I am here, but it is part of the way.
It is up to every single one of us which sub to choose, but maybe some kind of intuition takes place if we allow to listen?
But I guess the best answers for this “mystery” is up to creators and long term experience.
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you mention quite a financial shift in only three years. Is there a sub you ran long term wealth wise?
There was no sub, this was only my own doing with pain, stress and some risky moves. And that is what I mean. People often review subs after few days or month. I think one can give honest review and insight after showing resilience with chosen sub or stack for some time.
As my lacking area is relationships, but I wouldn’t dare to review Heartsong even after four months knowing my shortcomings in this area.
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Ah, Khan… The first sub I purchased that I stuck with for more than a month. In fact Khan stage 1 might be the track I’ve spent the most time with outside of Diamond. Unfortunately the later stages never meshed well enough with my material reality for me to stick with them past an initial 1 cycle sampling of each. That said, I can confidently say that a clear eyed appraisal of myself and my life situation tells me I am in a place where the Khan can, excuse me for this, plant his seed and prepare the land for the raising of an empire.
I’m currently running a stack of Khan stage 1 and Khan Black stage 4 with Phoenix once a week, and it has been smooth as butter. No particular recon, but I have such a calm and clear understanding of what I should be doing that I can’t even resist. I’ve started a proper Wim Hof breath work habit again as well as getting back into kettle bell exercises and yoga. I’ve definitely been physically slacking for a number of months, and it feels amazing to feel myself getting stronger and more flexible day by day as my energetic system is put to work reinforcing my physical body.
An even bigger benefit than my newfound clarity and ability to dedicate is that I’ve also become significantly more capable of relaxation and having fun. For most of my life I’ve struggled with some part of myself refusing to relax enough to actually enjoy time at rest/playing games/whatever. That is almost entirely gone, and the difference in how I feel going about my day is just stunning.
New Khan is awesome!
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No. Again, it’s about understanding them (our circumstances), adapting to them and choosing the path of the least resistance (adaptation and making the most of life) in overcoming our objective limitations, to grow stronger and more capable in order to shape our circumstances (our reality) in a way more skillful and potent manner.
Building upon gradual overcoming those limitations, from the least resistant, helps us build more resilience, confidence, energy, skills and that makes overcoming more resistant limitations easier and faster. The snowball effect in action yet again. I would rather call it “evolution” which is actually nothing else than self-development in progress and expanding, enriching our reality as the main consequence of it.
It’s no longer about forcing you to fit into certain archetypes but about developing certain qualities, traits and skills, upon experiencing your life and making the most of those experiences on the subconscious level. That’s why with a few experiences, sometimes even one, you can experience a powerful shift in your perceptions and belief system. That’s the magic of NSE as you’ve experienced yourself.
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You know, I agree with you. I just wanted to discuss the other opinion that sometimes and for someone, being molded under more “pressure” can bring more profound and quicker results.
As it happened with me with several instances in life, when overcoming some hard situation brought greater shift compared to slower “evolution” approach to my perception.
But yes, what you describe is more safe and balanced approach for most people even regarding using of subs.
I ran 1 minute of Khan Stage 1 today,
Keep in mind I’m on ASBR and True Sell Black but here was my added impression.
Increased confidence, dominance, sexuality, incredible interest from woman,
sense of self autonomy and internal authority, respect of my authority, attraction, along with a hefty dose of raised insecurity, anxiety, offness, feeling aliented, overly serious, couldn’t click with people, and like social repellent whether cause of bad vibes or they felt uncomfortable with my dominance.
Moments of sexual genius were there as well. On the subway the interest and engagement I was getting from woman. At the end of my class I ended up in a convo with the woman I was most attracted to and she kept asking question and question and eating up everything I was saying. I had my hand on her shoulder and it felt like we would have fucked if no -one else was in the room.
The minute of Khan stage 1 chilled my sales out which is good, I’ve been listening to some of my tapes and it sounds like I’m on speed sometimes. In fact I’m wondering how I sell so well like that. Might be in spite of it rather than because of it. Although it also might indicate deep expertise and authority to be able to spitball so fast.
The big challenge with Khan Stage 1 is it starts to separate out my extrinsic motivation and the truth is I run off extrinsic motivation largely. Motivation I choose from internal desire but the motivation itself, pressure, performance, competition, acknowledgement, money. Perhaps this is why Khan Stage 1 is difficult for people. The transition from extrinsic to intrinsic motivation can be depressing or well demotivating .
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Did a test loop of Khan 1 a few days back as well. First few days were brutal, since then it seems like it helped me work out a lot of whatever needed to be sorted out and I feel much chiller on call as well. More comftorable with social pressure, longer pauses/silence, surprising more empathetic.
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